Can touching a barbell in the gym get you sick with the coronavirus?

[Millard]

I can’t speak for what he did before I was on this forum, but ever since I participate, all I have seen from him are sarcasm/irony ridden posts that seem to mock, rather than educate users about their use of anabolics, and lately just spam fear mongering posts and propaganda about this current situation.

Of course, you can speak to what he's contributed prior to your joining the forum. It's all archived. And he hasn't missed a beat regularly contributing since you joined two years ago. For starters, take a look at all the stickies in the steroid and men's health subforum.

Remember, it's a fucking steroid forum. Don't get distracted by the political stuff in your search for quality steroid information. It's all there. Much of it courtesy of @Michael Scally MD

 

[TheAngryHog]

Of course, you can speak to what he's contributed prior to your joining the forum. It's all archived. And he hasn't missed a beat regularly contributing since you joined two years ago. For starters, take a look at all the stickies in the steroid and men's health subforum.

Remember, it's a fucking steroid forum. Don't get distracted by the political stuff in your search for quality steroid information. It's all there. Much of it courtesy of @Michael Scally MD

This is a fair point. He may be a very good contributor to the main aspect and function of this forum, and his views on unrelated matters should not disqualify him from continuing to do so, nor, I should hope, would it result in any animosity from members here especially on posts relating to roids.

With that said, your point goes both ways. His useful contributions in one forum do not excuse bullshit in another.

 

[cochino]

Wrong question.

A better question would be:
Can you get the novel coronavirus just by BREATHING in the gym?
Answer: YES you can. Yes you will.

Gyms are extremely high risk as people are breathing heavily when lifting, thus more virus droplets may come out, and forceful inhalation makes it more likely to get infected.

Then don't fucking go, but don't impose your paranoia on me. If I get it then tough shit for me. Fucks like you are what's wrong with this world...

 

[movingiron88]

@Michael Scally MD has contributed far more useful information to the steroid community than anyone else on this forum. What is truly pathetic is that some people fail to recognize his contributions and choose to personally attack and insult him rather than show appreciation for the vast amount of time and research he devotes to educating the community.

He may have contributed a lot in the past in regards to anabolics. But as of late he has pushed far left scare agenda. If he doesnt like negative responses to his radical political posts then by all means stick to anabolics. Although I respect your opinion, that does not mean I respect his.

 

[ickyrica]

Clearly Mike has the goods regarding medical community knowledge and advice. And clearly he has an agenda for his belief system. I have an agenda for making what I believe and want a reality and I can't fault Mike for having his own. Yes, he goes about it in his own way and part of that requires him to be distant, guarded and most likely will ignore you. The years he has spent online have probably forced his response mechanisms into hiding: aka doesn't care enough to debate it because to him it's a waste of time.

I agree with a fair amount of what he posts and there is some content that I do not think is smart. Some of what he is posting regarding covid is based on the unknown and has an undercurrent of fear mongering, imo, but that doesn't mean I have to read it and swallow it down. I can simply not agree and keep it moving. I could intelligently reply and leave it at that or I could pull up anchor and leave the thread. I personally don't see a need to attack him based on his position. It's all relative to what seat your ass sits in day to day imo. My seat focuses on creating work, keeping people working, making customers happy and wanting to spend more money with me. His focuses on health, longevity, finding out answers to medical questions, research. This will absolutely lead to a difference of opinion.

I like Mike and have a great deal of respect for him. Although we don't communicate as heavily as I would like to I know he sees what I post to him and appreciate when he replies (in his own way). Regardless of what I think (which at this point is trending away from the doom and gloom forecast, I just don't think the end will justify the means) I hope he will continue to be Mike.

 

[ickyrica]

so I've lost a little muscle in my covid days but my rap game has come up some

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Of course, you can speak to what he's contributed prior to your joining the forum. It's all archived. And he hasn't missed a beat regularly contributing since you joined two years ago. For starters, take a look at all the stickies in the steroid and men's health subforum.

Remember, it's a fucking steroid forum. Don't get distracted by the political stuff in your search for quality steroid information. It's all there. Much of it courtesy of @Michael Scally MD

This.

Scally can post whatever he wants here (within very generous reason), like anyone else. It’s 2020, political commentary should be expected as tiring as it is getting. It should be blatantly obvious which Scally leans politically from his posts...that doesn’t disqualify his knowledge on men’s health nor validate his stance on Corona or any combination in between.

At the same time, if you’re up in arms about someone with “Dr” on this forum projecting more authority on COVID I think you’re probably in the wrong place for this information. Millions of opinions on this from a range of professionals both in the shit and in no way specifically qualified. I’d advise against making your opinion on public health and safety from posts on a steroid board.

If we spent less time caught up in the way something leans or calling someone a pussy for a post and asked “why,” and in turn provided “because” we wouldn’t have to be stirring up shit all the time with useless personal attacks. As far as what Scally posts on the board, he isn’t here as your physician. He’s a fucking member on the forum, and if you didn’t go find the info yourself, and made it past the other members’ sarcastic response to idiotic questions, you probably deserved what Scally sends your way, like it or not.

I will make one critical comment, whether deserved or not, and that is it would be great to see more interaction on his posts; here and in studies posted specifically. I do understand Meso isn’t his job nor his life, but anyone can post studies. FFS master.on does it and that’s nearly always a disaster. Just a wish, that’s all.

 

[ickyrica]

I will make one critical comment, whether deserved or not, and that is it would be great to see more interaction on his posts; here and in studies posted specifically. I do understand Meso isn’t his job nor his life, but anyone can post studies. FFS master.on does it and that’s nearly always a disaster. Just a wish, that’s all.

yup. 100%.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

A study of 96,000 hospitalized coronavirus patients on six continents found that those who received an antimalarial drug promoted by President Trump as a “game changer” in the fight against the virus had a significantly higher risk of death compared with those who did not.

People treated with hydroxychloroquine, or the closely related drug chloroquine, were also more likely to develop a type of irregular heart rhythm, or arrhythmia, that can lead to sudden cardiac death, it concluded.

The study, published Friday in the medical journal the Lancet, is the largest analysis to date of the risks and benefits of treating covid-19 patients with antimalarial drugs. It is based on a retrospective analysis of medical records, not a controlled study in which patients are divided randomly into treatment groups — a method considered the gold standard of medicine. But the sheer size of the study was convincing to some scientists.

...

The difference between patients who received the antimalarials and those who did not was striking.

For those given hydroxychloroquine, there was a 34 percent increase in risk of mortality and a 137 percent increased risk of a serious heart arrhythmias. For those receiving hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic — the cocktail endorsed by Trump — there was a 45 percent increased risk of death and a 411 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

Those given chloroquine had a 37 percent increased risk of death and a 256 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias. For those taking chloroquine and an antibiotic, there was a 37 percent increased risk of death and a 301 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

Cardiologist Steven Nissen of the Cleveland Clinic said the new data, combined with data from smaller previous studies, suggests that the drug “is maybe harmful and that no one should be taking it outside of a clinical trial.”

 

[Michael Scally MD]

 

[Michael Scally MD]

In places around the world, lockdowns are lifting to various degrees—often prematurely. Experts have identified a few indicators that must be met to begin opening nonessential businesses safely: rates of new cases should be low and falling for at least two weeks; hospitals should be able to treat all coronavirus patients in need; and there should be a capacity to test everyone with symptoms. But then what? What are the rules for reëntry? Is there any place that has figured out a way to open and have employees work safely, with one another and with their customers?

Well, yes: in health care. The Boston area has been a covid-19 hotspot. Yet the staff members of my hospital system here, Mass General Brigham, have been at work throughout the pandemic. We have seventy-five thousand employees—more people than in seventy-five per cent of U.S. counties. In April, two-thirds of us were working on site. Yet we’ve had few workplace transmissions. Not zero: we’ve been on a learning curve, to be sure, and we have no way to stop our health-care workers from getting infected in the community. But, in the face of enormous risks, American hospitals have learned how to avoid becoming sites of spread. When the time is right to lighten up on the lockdown and bring people back to work, there are wider lessons to be learned from places that never locked down in the first place.

These lessons point toward an approach that we might think of as a combination therapy—like a drug cocktail. Its elements are all familiar: hygiene measures, screening, distancing, and masks. Each has flaws. Skip one, and the treatment won’t work. But, when taken together, and taken seriously, they shut down the virus. We need to understand these elements properly—what their strengths and limitations are—if we’re going to make them work outside health care.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Is posting this really in good faith? Does the side that thinks lockdown should continue believe anywhere near even a reasonable minority of people that want us back open act like this?

 

[Michael Scally MD]

[OA] Could COVID-19 have an impact on male fertility?

The pandemic caused by Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS‐CoV‐2) has led to several hypotheses of functional alteration of different organs. The direct influence of this virus on the male urogenital organs is still to be evaluated.

However some hypotheses can already be made, especially in the andrological field, for the biological similarity of the SARS‐CoV and SARS‐CoV2. As well as SARS‐CoV, SARS CoV‐2 uses the ‘Angiotensin Converting Enzyme‐2’ (ACE2) as a receptor to enter human cells.

It was found that ACE2, Angiotensin (1‐7) and its MAS receptors are present, over in the lung, also in the testicles, in particular in Leydig and Sertoli cells.

A first hypothesis is that the virus could enter the testicle and lead to alterations in testicular functionality. A second hypothesis is that the binding of the virus to the ACE2 receptor, could cause an excess of ACE2 and give rise to a typical inflammatory response.

The inflammatory cells could interfere with the function of Leydig and Sertoli cells. Both hypotheses should be evaluated and confirmed, in order to possibly monitor fertility in patients COVID‐19+.

Illiano E, Trama F, Costantini E. Could COVID-19 have an impact on male fertility? Andrologia 2020;n/a:e13654. Error - Cookies Turned Off

 

[Kingsmountain]

You are right. This being an unmoderated forum, he can post whatever he likes. From what I see, anyone can post what they want.
However, IMHO basic forum guidelines should be adhered by anyone posting.
Post your subject in the correct forum.
Example: anything political would be in the political discourse area. If your content has a political agenda (right or left) and said content was on another subject, then you have comitted intellectual dishonesty. No one likes to be insulted intelligently.
Another point is if you are going to post (especially scientific data where you are trying to help the community) then you should have enough decency to respond to legit questions and concerns. That is what forums are for, NOT drive by copy, cut and paste. I can find all of that on the interwebs myself.
When I first came here, I read a whole lot of Scally's "works" but it didn't take long to see their was angst agenda behind most of it.
I think most people would agree if you want to tout your professional title and be taken seriously, you might want to leave politics out of it. It just doesn't look good especially with the hate that politics has evolved nowadays.
Also, not taking any jabs whatsoever but I don't think it's ethical to continue using a title that you were stripped of by a medical board unless it was reinstated (which may be the case here). Being ex military, to me its akin to a dishonorable discharge.
I apologize in advance if this pisses anyone off, it's just my opinion.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

 

[master.on]

A study of 96,000 hospitalized coronavirus patients on six continents found that those who received an antimalarial drug promoted by President Trump as a “game changer” in the fight against the virus had a significantly higher risk of death compared with those who did not.

People treated with hydroxychloroquine, or the closely related drug chloroquine, were also more likely to develop a type of irregular heart rhythm, or arrhythmia, that can lead to sudden cardiac death, it concluded.

The study, published Friday in the medical journal the Lancet, is the largest analysis to date of the risks and benefits of treating covid-19 patients with antimalarial drugs. It is based on a retrospective analysis of medical records, not a controlled study in which patients are divided randomly into treatment groups — a method considered the gold standard of medicine. But the sheer size of the study was convincing to some scientists.

...

The difference between patients who received the antimalarials and those who did not was striking.

For those given hydroxychloroquine, there was a 34 percent increase in risk of mortality and a 137 percent increased risk of a serious heart arrhythmias. For those receiving hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic — the cocktail endorsed by Trump — there was a 45 percent increased risk of death and a 411 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

Those given chloroquine had a 37 percent increased risk of death and a 256 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias. For those taking chloroquine and an antibiotic, there was a 37 percent increased risk of death and a 301 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

Cardiologist Steven Nissen of the Cleveland Clinic said the new data, combined with data from smaller previous studies, suggests that the drug “is maybe harmful and that no one should be taking it outside of a clinical trial.”

If you're so sure that hydroxychloroquine is harmful (which isn't) why do you liberal cry about Trump using it prophylactically (for prevention).

Why would you care about Trump harming his health and potentially dying about it?

Simple answer: they know the drug is quite safe and Trump using it would further prove that.
Not meant to be used nonstop, tough.


Oh and it's funny how Dr Scally bashes Trump for a simple comment he made, yet he forgets that he prescribed steroids for no medical reason and almost got his medical license stripped himself.

 

[Millard]

He may have contributed a lot in the past in regards to anabolics. But as of late he has pushed far left scare agenda. If he doesnt like negative responses to his radical political posts then by all means stick to anabolics. Although I respect your opinion, that does not mean I respect his.

He may have contributed a lot in the past in regards to anabolics. But as of late he has pushed far left scare agenda. If he doesnt like negative responses to his radical political posts then by all means stick to anabolics. Although I respect your opinion, that does not mean I respect his.

He continues to contribute just as much if not more information about anabolics than ever. You would probably appreciate those much more.

 

[Millard]

I will make one critical comment, whether deserved or not, and that is it would be great to see more interaction on his posts; here and in studies posted specifically. I do understand Meso isn’t his job nor his life, but anyone can post studies. FFS master.on does it and that’s nearly always a disaster. Just a wish, that’s all.

I agree with you on the first part. I'd love for Dr. Scally to provide his insight and commentary more frequently on the studies he shares. To be honest, I'd like for him to offer it on every single study he posts. But really, who am I kidding? I would like him to spoon feed the information in terms that make it accessible to us all. But that's just being a little greedy when he does so much already.

However, I couldn't disagree more with you on the second part. That is, that "anyone can post studies" like Dr. Scally does. No. They couldn't. And even if they could, they don't. To have a medical expert perform daily literature reviews to identify and share new and current research relevant to anabolic steroid users is incredibly valuable. For the medical expert to do this practically every day for the past 5-10 years is truly something special.

 

[Kingsmountain]

If you're so sure that hydroxychloroquine is harmful (which isn't) why do you liberal cry about Trump using it prophylactically (for prevention).

Why would you care about Trump harming his health and potentially dying about it?

Simple answer: they know the drug is quite safe and Trump using it would further prove that.
Not meant to be used nonstop, tough.


Oh and it's funny how Dr Scally bashes Trump for a simple comment he made, yet he forgets that he prescribed steroids for no medical reason and almost got his medical license stripped himself.

Hydroxychloroquine has been used for roughly 65 years for many issues.

From what I can gather, it only becomes a problem when someone who already suffers from heart disease takes hydroxychloroquine.

Your point is the point I was trying to shed light on.

Hell, Cuomo was taking it himself until the political agenda shifted then he came out and said how bad it was.

Politics have no place in medicine is my point. That is why all aas is evil ... politics.

Politicians should leave medicine to doctors and doctors should leave politics to politicians.

 

[Millard]

Another point is if you are going to post (especially scientific data where you are trying to help the community) then you should have enough decency to respond to legit questions and concerns. That is what forums are for, NOT drive by copy, cut and paste. I can find all of that on the interwebs myself.

No. You could not. I couldn't. Most people couldn't. How many people have every performed a comprehensive literature review just once on any topic at any point in their lives?

Now, imagine a medical expert who has not only done the comprehensive lit review but every day continues to update his review database with relevant research to share with the community.

Even if we could do this, we do not. Why not? Are we too lazy? Do we not have enough time? Do we not care enough about the steroid community?

None of this applies to Dr. Scally. I often wonder if we deserve him given how quickly people are to devalue his contributions.