Ateam2023
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Dsip hasn't done shit for me I guess it works for some people
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can’t stay asleep
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syuri
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Keep an update here! Interested to see how it goes.
syuri
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I bought a single vial from a reseller for $20. Could've spent that money on gas.
Didn't work for me either. I've seen and heard more promising things on Epitalon. Wouldn't risk blowing more money on it though lmao
5TheNegative
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Fair enough.
I also did not expect it to do anything, but it's been a consistent result for the last week so I am going to run the vial dry and then see what happens when I stop using it.
Ateam2023
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What dose are you running?
5TheNegative
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750mcg, did 250 the first night with nothing, 500 the second with a small drop in RHR. Then when I started 750mcg the 10+ drop began.
nullandvoid
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I ended up going based on your information and just used Glycine and Theanine. Worked wonderfully and had quality, fast-onset, deep sleep... until 3AM. However, that was about six hours so meets sustainability for me. Just not ideal for the sake of sanity/boredom.
But like everything sleep-related, everything seems to work well just once or a few times and then fades. Without the Apigenin, I had zero grogginess, so I'm glad you mentioned it.
Going to keep going with the Glycine and Theanine and see how it goes this time around without the Apigenin.
syuri
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syuri
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In terms of sleep
I find 15mgs of Mirtaza so far to be the best to keep me down. If I do wake, it's shortlived and I can ease back into sleep just fine
I do feel groggy for a bit and my workout is a bit harder in the mornings, but by around 4 hours post waking up I'm totally fine.
I may stick to this for now but I am definitely going to give Lunesta a shot in the future
I find 15mgs of Mirtaza so far to be the best to keep me down. If I do wake, it's shortlived and I can ease back into sleep just fine
I do feel groggy for a bit and my workout is a bit harder in the mornings, but by around 4 hours post waking up I'm totally fine.
I may stick to this for now but I am definitely going to give Lunesta a shot in the future
What helps me to maintain a certain sleep quality is 5mg of Melatonin and 50mg of Diphenhydraminhydrochlorid pre bed.
What's your dosage? How often do you take it?
5TheNegative
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Only been a little over a week now that I've taken it. Been every night and the dosage that works for me is 750mcg.
Ill only plan on using it while on cycle though.
syuri
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Yep, Mirtazapine was my answer. More like 8 hours flat here but amazing sleep.
nullandvoid
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That's some solid rest. I had better last night, too, but not that good. Glycine, L-Theanine, and I pushed all the day's Magnesium to be pre-bed. Didn't wake before 3AM and then fell back asleep relatively quickly until about 5AM.
syuri
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Glad to hear man! I think L-Theanine is great. I also think maybe upping the Magnesium dose might also be beneficial. I've been doing research these past few days, and apparently people on gear (and especially stimulants) burn through Magnesium at an increasingly fast rate.
Steroids increase Epinephrine. Epinephrine can drop blood magnesium (PMID: 2418312) and stress/catecholamines (which steroids do increase) also lower serum magnesium (PMID: 2187026) so these all lead to faster magnesium loss than one can keep up with.
I'm also going to up my Magnesium Glycinate from 1600mg to somewhere around 3000mg+. I may be burning through magnesium faster than I can supplement with. I'm going to deem this thread as my "log of sleep issues and my attempted resolutions."
Glycine also is so awesome, I take 8g daily no matter what and while I haven't tracked my sleep before and after supplementation, I like to imagine it's helping, especially with my sleep these last two nights lol.
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