China begins chemical seller crackdown

[Deleted member 59947]

whoooaa , Do I understand right you don't train and run 300-600mg test per week year round ?
If so, you are in a great position to end the debate that test puts on lean muscle without training .. so spill the beans how is your body composition now and how was it naturally ? weight, BF ?

Everyone asks me if I play rugby, I have quite a bit of muscle mass and every effort feels easy.
I look like I lift heavy 3 times a week, no idea about body fat but abs are showing quite a bit.
187lbs for 5'11"

Testosterone at those dosages does make you muscular without the slightest effort.
My joints feel better and my mobility is higher than when I was not on testosterone.

 

[Hitman]

It will be hard for guys who rely on these drugs for so long. AAS users will adapt quicker than the newer users of gh secretagogues, glps and other peptides.

There are also individuals who have the ability to procure items the way they did before. Others will just stop cold turkey like some of us when life got in the way of bodybuilding.

No matter, India is just waiting for the opportunity to step in I think.

Exactly . We learnt back in the day how to be resourceful , we worked out we could extract tren from pellets meant for our cattle , this day and age the new blokes coming onto the scene would be fkd if china stopped production ..

 

[Deleted member 59947]

Why is everyone going about doomesday porn and seemingly enjoying it perpetuating this thread ?

Almost like you derive pleasure from talking about a hypothetical chaos.

Steroids won't be banned as they don't pose a national threat to any country in the world, and the war on masculinity is a conspiracy theory that you only hear about on social media, no one cares about "toxic masculinity" in the real world and no one will take your testosterone away from you.

Can we move on ?

 

[Ghoul]

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Why is everyone going about doomesday porn and seemingly enjoying it perpetuating this thread ?

Almost like you derive pleasure from talking about a hypothetical chaos.

Steroids won't be banned as they don't pose a national threat to any country in the world, and the war on masculinity is a conspiracy theory that you only hear about on social media, no one cares about "toxic masculinity" in the real world and no one will take your testosterone away from you.

Can we move on ?

Nobody tell him they made steroids a Schedule III controlled drug....

 

[Liter O' Test]

Nobody tell him they made steroids a Schedule III controlled drug....

i know, after all these years and packages sometimes i forget im not ordering from amazon

 

[Ghoul]

i know, after all these years and packages sometimes i forget im not ordering from amazon

It's easy to start thinking that way, especially for the folks ordering from the slick (overpriced) "retail" sites openly selling from a couple dozen brands.

Personally, I think the biggest threat will be the same one that makes shipping gear to the EU so difficult....taxes.

It's not that the EU countries are laser focused on finding gear (and PCT), but they sure as hell want to collect every cent they're due, and during that process they find a lot of contraband.

In the US the "de minimus" rule exempts packages with less than $800 of declared goods from customs duties, so most packages just pass through.

There's increasing pressure to end that because we're approaching two million packages a day coming in duty free from China.

If they start looking to collect duties, they'll closely examine many more packs, and have a huge financial incentive to do so.

 

[bighunanballs]

Steroids won't be banned as they don't pose a national threat to any country in the world

Holy fvck, All these years of the cloak and dagger sh1t and I could have just been buying this stuff in the stores.

 

[RekTest]

187lbs for 5'11"

All your posts make sense now.

 

[DECLAN]

I have tried everything, high dose testosterone does the job best.
Between 300mg and 600mg per week year round.

So you are basically blasting year round just for cognition and mood, how’s your blood work so far? How many years were you doing this?

This is unbelievable lmao.

 

[Burntoutn3rd]

So you are basically blasting year round just for cognition and mood, how’s your blood work so far? How many years were you doing this?

This is unbelievable lmao.

I've got a buddy that runs 300 year round and doesn't touch the gym. Does 50 pushups, 20 pullups, and 100 situps a morning and he's unfairly jacked to the gills. It speaks for the amount of work the drugs themselves really are doing.

 

[CaptainTren]

Right, the US government doesn't view fentanyl and steroids coming out of China as being similar issues at all:

"The US has imposed sanctions on Chinese painkiller makers – including one man described as the biggest producer of anabolic steroids in the world – as it vowed to step up action to curb the addiction epidemic that killed a record 100,000 Americans last year."

US sanctions Chinese drugmakers amid addiction epidemic

Biden administration targets four chemical companies and man said to be world’s leading producer of anabolic steroids

amp.theguardian.com

Stop spreading fear mongering.


Didn't china bann ephedrine years ago? It was produced in the same factory steroid powders were .

Banning fentanyl precursors doesn't mean they are shutting down all factories that produce aas . They are just banning The precursors from being made



A lot of these Chinese factorys make a lot of stuff not just steroid powders and fentanyl precursor

 

[Liter O' Test]

So you are basically blasting year round just for cognition and mood, how’s your blood work so far? How many years were you doing this?

This is unbelievable lmao.

Plenty of guys dont go below 500mg, the difference between milligrams here and there isn't alot when your lifestyle is healthy. Guys stress about the difference between 200mg and 300mg like its really going to make a difference, genetics are more significant than the difference in that dose.

The only thing to watch is cholesterol and even that can be mitigated. I take Ezetimibe, which lowered my LDL from 125 to 75 in 3 weeks... HDL isn't going to go up anytime soon but it is what it is. Thats pretty much the only thing thats 'harmful' , low HDL.

1. dont be fat
2. manage your blood pressure

if you are doing those two things you are healthier than 80% of men. Plenty of guys are doing more damage to their cardiovascular system just by not going to the doctor, or their doctor brushing off their high blood pressure , or just being fat/alcoholic/sedentary.

Someone could be at 1 gram of test and be 'healthier'' than a guy on 250mg. That guy on 250mg might not manage his blood pressure, could have bad genetics, might have insulin resistance and not even know it. Might treat himself to extra beer and pizza since hes not "blasting"

When im 70, im going to be jacked AF, cause im gonna have all this muscle nuclei from being on 1 gram of test for 40 years, im gonna have the stamina to enjoy the sex robots, im going to be able to pick them up and really show them a good time.

 

[DECLAN]

Plenty of guys dont go below 500mg, the difference between milligrams here and there isn't alot when your lifestyle is healthy. Guys stress about the difference between 200mg and 300mg like its really going to make a difference, genetics are more significant than the difference in that dose.

The only thing to watch is cholesterol and even that can be mitigated. I take Ezetimibe, which lowered my LDL from 125 to 75 in 3 weeks... HDL isn't going to go up anytime soon but it is what it is. Thats pretty much the only thing thats 'harmful' , low HDL.

1. dont be fat
2. manage your blood pressure

if you are doing those two things you are healthier than 80% of men. Plenty of guys are doing more damage to their cardiovascular system just by not going to the doctor, or their doctor brushing off their high blood pressure , or just being fat/alcoholic/sedentary.

Someone could be at 1 gram of test and be 'healthier'' than a guy on 250mg. That guy on 250mg might not manage his blood pressure, could have bad genetics, might have insulin resistance and not even know it. Might treat himself to extra beer and pizza since hes not "blasting"

When im 70, im going to be jacked AF, cause im gonna have all this muscle nuclei from being on 1 gram of test for 40 years, im gonna have the stamina to enjoy the sex robots, im going to be able to pick them up and really show them a good time.

Sure maybe in your circle, most of the guys I know even the bigger guys go down to real trt plus we have to because of what our endos/uro suggest. You also have to consider guys like us who are actually using prescribed testosterone have to get blood teat every 3 months no questions asked.

You can blast 300-500mg all you want year round, that’s your prerogative but if I can hold my size and feel optimal in trt amounts then why add more.

Don’t tell me you also need 300-600mg to hold 185 lmao. I’m a short stack and the I was 175 at my leanest 13 yrs ago.

 

[Ghoul]

Stop spreading fear mongering.


Didn't china bann ephedrine years ago? It was produced in the same factory steroid powders were .

Banning fentanyl precursors doesn't mean they are shutting down all factories that produce aas . They are just banning The precursors from being made



A lot of these Chinese factorys make a lot of stuff not just steroid powders and fentanyl precursor

I'm pointing out the same way China responded to pressure from the US over other controlled drug precursors, there's absolutely no reason to believe the same thing couldn't occur with steroid raws. That's a fact. Whether they do or not is yet to be determined, but it certainly could.

And there's no benefit to following your baseless belief that steroids, a controlled drug, are immune from being cracked down on.

The intelligent thing to do is be aware it's possible, prepare by having a buffer supply just in case, and be happy if it never happens, vs getting caught with your pants down if it does.

 

[rockyraccoon]

Call me a cynic but I doubt China finally had a change of heart after the first million deaths. Nor do I think they care what they view as a dying world power thinks. This was a move made in exchange for something, and probably temporary. Whether this extends to steroid precursors depends on what the US offers in exchange, if they decide it's something they want to focus on.

For sure China doesn't give two shits about the fentanyl deaths. The opium wars are still fresh in their memory and this is just their revenge. It's also a handy cover to eliminate local players that have fallen out of favor with the party.

 

[Ghoul]

For sure China doesn't give two shits about the fentanyl deaths. The opium wars are still fresh in their memory and this is just their revenge. It's also a handy cover to eliminate local players that have fallen out of favor with the party.

Yeah that thought has crossed my mind as well. Revenge for the "opium wars" of the East India Company is surely a factor, but westerners have difficulty in comprehending 200 year old grudges or taking revenge on people 10 generations removed. But I don't want to get political here so this is the last I'll say on that.

 

[rockyraccoon]

Yeah that thought has crossed my mind as well. Revenge for the "opium wars" of the East India Company is surely a factor, but westerners have difficulty in comprehending 200 year old grudges or taking revenge on people 10 generations removed. But I don't want to get political here so this is the last I'll say on that.

A fascinating book on the subject. I think that you might enjoy it as well.

DOPE, INC Britains Opium War Against The U. S. (major Expose Of Global Drug Trade) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1_L5eyaQlDAaofnPqUdg7PgK5d_SbbA6-?usp=sharing

archive.org

 

[Ghoul]

Chinese Citizen Charged with Massive Anabolic Steroid and Fentanyl Precursor Chemical Distribution Scheme

www.justice.gov

 

[rockyraccoon]

Chinese Citizen Charged with Massive Anabolic Steroid and Fentanyl Precursor Chemical Distribution Scheme

www.justice.gov

The US > Mexico > US route for fentanyl precursors claim seems fishy. The big boys just set up shop in Mexico.

Money laundering: Taken to the cleaners

A probe into the use of banks as conduits for drugs money has exposed systemic failings in finance

www.ft.com

 

[Ghoul]

The US > Mexico > US route for fentanyl precursors claim seems fishy. The big boys just set up shop in Mexico.

Money laundering: Taken to the cleaners

A probe into the use of banks as conduits for drugs money has exposed systemic failings in finance

www.ft.com

According to this, precursors are shipped to the US and smuggled to Mexico. I known it seems weird, maybe China-Mexico shipments are carefully watched and China-US is easier to slip them in.

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf