Clenbuterol + Ketotifen Questions

[PLer1290]

Hey I have a few questions about clenbuterol and ketotifen. Trust me I've done a ton of research but haven't found a clear answer.

1. When are you supposed to add in the ketotifen to your cycle? I hear 2 things: every 3rd week take the keto + clen OR start taking the keto starting week 2. Which one have you used successfully?

2. I'm currently at the end of my third week of the clen and started taking 2mg of ketotifen every night and I still don't feel the clen working. I'm still a little shakey but my temperature is back down to normal. What should I do to make the clen start working again?

 

[ergomaniac]

Yes, it is. Anabolic/anti-catabolic effects have been shown numerous times in humans, corroborating a lot of animal data.

This paper was pretty explicit, titled "Clenbuterol increases lean muscle mass but not endurance in patients with chronic heart failure." They found that "Clenbuterol was well tolerated and led to a significant increase in both lean mass and the lean/fat ratio."

In another human study, they slowly titrated the dose of clen by 20mcg/wk for three months. They found that "clenbuterol therapy increased skeletal muscle mass and strength."

The same effect has been found with short-acting beta-2 agonists like albuterol:

This study, titled "Oral albuterol dosing during the latter stages of a resistance exercise program" found that "A higher lean body mass trend also occurred with albuterol from weeks 10-13."

Finally, this study give albuterol for 12 weeks to boys with muscular dystrophy. Outcome measurements included lean body mass and fat mass. They found that "Lean body mass was significantly higher for subjects following albuterol treatment compared to placebo treatment, while fat mass was significantly lower."

Finally, this effect has also been found with the use of general (beta) adrenergic agonsits like ephedrine:

This study in obese women found that after 8 weeks of EC administration, the EC group lost 9.9 lbs more body fat and 6.2 lbs less fat-free mass. "These findings provide evidence that promotion of fat loss and preservation of FFM during weight reduction may also be achieved pharmacologically in humans."

This more extensive study stated "We conclude that the ephedrine/caffeine combination is effective in improving and maintaining weight loss, further it has lean body mass saving properties."

While there is definitely more evidence in animals showing anabolic/anti-catabolic effects from beta-agonists, there is plenty of evidence supporting the existence of the same effect in human skeletal muscle.

As usual, dfein doesn't know what he's talking about.

someone does. alot of what i know, i know. i just dont always have reference. trying though, so i can make a clear plan. and eliminate things that dont work.

 

[Sypher187]

Yes, I titrated it up to 1000mcg per day. I didn't sleep for 3 days straight. The shakes and sweating were gone. The heart felt fine. And yes it was real Clen. What happened was that everything basically shrunk. Muscle and fat shrunk. I lost about a half pound every day. Calfs and Quads were ripped but everything else looked disgusting. Just dead. I suppose this is why bikers are trying to dope with it, but still, it kils your endurance.

Are you silly. I had to go through the trouble to register here, gawd dammit how are you allowed to post advice of this nature online? That is so irresponsible.

Please read through muscletalk.co.za and educate yourself before you kill someone with this cr@p.

Here is the education for clen (The correct stuff, not this junk you are advising innocent people) -> Clenbuterol

 

[ergomaniac]

Are you silly. I had to go through the trouble to register here, gawd dammit how are you allowed to post advice of this nature online? That is so irresponsible.

Please read through muscletalk.co.za and educate yourself before you kill someone with this cr@p.

Here is the education for clen (The correct stuff, not this junk you are advising innocent people) -> Clenbuterol

or we could just read through here at meso.
heres another article on clen from your site. http://muscletalk.co.za/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=369. which is curiously similar to this one by Bill Roberts thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/clenbuterol. actually its the same article word for word minus one letter. whos rolan?

 

[Sypher187]

or we could just read through here at meso.
heres another article on clen from your site. http://muscletalk.co.za/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=369. which is curiously similar to this one by Bill Roberts thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/clenbuterol. actually its the same article word for word minus one letter. whos rolan?

No idea, will have to pm him. Not my site just happen to be a user. Was searching for info on clen came across this post of that other guy and got a little rant.

 

[ergomaniac]

No idea, will have to pm him. Not my site just happen to be a user. Was searching for info on clen came across this post of that other guy and got a little rant.

it says youre a moderator.
just searching for info... and came across this post... of that other guy .

 

[Sypher187]

That is correct, but that is where my knowledge and involvement stops, so I will now do my mod duty and contact rolan.

 

[ergomaniac]

That is correct, but that is where my knowledge and involvement stops, so I will now do my mod duty and contact rolan.

tell him I said hi .

 

[RodgerThat]

it says youre a moderator.
just searching for info... and came across this post... of that other guy .

Man I'd hate to get on your bad side took you all of 5 mins to figure that out and he didn't even do anything special!