controlled catabolic protocol

Geebee52 said:
Thanks bros for your answers.
I've been L. Rea's client for a few months (I couldn't afford longer) and I can say I learned a lot (not enough because it's been short) and I've got much confidance in him. I'm a hard-gainer, a diabetic, I've only got one kindney working, I'm old and over-anxious. My body reacts very strongly to AAS (insulino-resistance, auto-immunity to gear) and after 4 weeks I start losing weight, therefore short cycles have been a must for me.
If Einstein has got contermeasures for longer cycles I'm quite ready to give it a try. Can you give me an example ?
But when I was L. Rea's client, each time I did nearly what he advised me to do (a supp or a gear product didn't arrive in time) I missed, each time I did it exactly it worked.
Now I have to be contented with following his books. I found controlled catabolic protocol in his last one.
Einstein you don't need to have money to publish a book ; I don't have money and I published several books (not on b'bg).


You're type II? What insulin(s) are you using, if any at this point?
You won't have an immune response to AAS itself. To mount an immune response to molecules of that size is very rare, let alone to molecules so extremely similar to endogenous molecules. if you had formed an immune response to AAS, there would be no 4 week lag before effects plateaued.



I'll just copy and paste a thread that just touches on the bones of it, but it's really all about using which compounds when...


"This was a recent post at AR, and I think it's an interesting topic, so I'm posting it up over here for anyone to add to or contradict:

Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Hi bros,
First most of us know that Androgen Receptor sites do not "burn out" this is hogwash in fact the opposite is true, the AR upregulate and muliply to make use of all the new high concentrations in blood....the reason you need to increace AS doses after a few cycles is because of the added muscle mass ( more AR sites) from previous cycle. NOW how do i keep on growing during a say 20 week cycle? Assuming diet, rest, training etc is good is there anything that can be done to maximize AAS caused growth? the one i know that slows down cycle muscle gains of is the SHBG increase, which i can combat with the use of proviron+insulin. Are there any other growth-slowing actions i should know about? thanks guys.


einstein1905:

I've posted my theory on AR receptors over prolonged exposure to supraphysiological doses of AAS over time. ARs are upregulated initially in response to increased ligand (AAS) concentrations. However, it's been shown in vitro (but not yet in vivo) that ARs do downregulate over time, when exposed to constant high levels of AAS (test). Androgens lower SHBG levels, whereas estrogens increase SHBG levels, so utilizing sufficient anti e's throughout a cycle can have advantages from many different standpoints. During an AAS cycle, if sufficient anti e's are used, your bioavailable AAS (akin to bioavailable test in a "natural" athlete) will be much higher than when not on cycle. SHBG will creep up over time, but your % bioavailable test should still be much higher than off cycle. A couple things to try during the latter half or latter 1/3 of a longer cycle would be to incorporate proviron and/or to slightly increase doses (but plan your starting doses with this in mind). I'm in no way a proponent of big doses. Your body seeks homeostasis by many mechanisms and will adjust to Xmg/wk of AAS. Increasing that dose after a long run at a constant dose has the potential to increase expression of ARs once again. Another thing that many do is to add in more androgenic compounds towards the end of their longer cycles, which can again lower SHBG levels in addition to providing their inherent anabolic and androgenic effects.

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

Also, another thing I have learned is when gains stop comming on it's ususally because your calorie intake needs to be bumped up.........

einstein1905:

This can't be stressed enough. I should have mentioned that before anything else I said. You NEED to maintain a fairly excessive positive caloric intake to grow big."



As for my comment about money to publish, I merely meant that just because someone publishes something, this doesn't make it any "truer". He doesn't post on the open boards, but he does browse them. There was a recent post at EF where someone had posted an article that Rea had written in response to many of his critics, and this response was nothing more than opinion at best. it wasn't at all substantiated.

I'm not in the same business as Rea....I'm not in competition with him, but it does bother me that some are so quick to assume that what he says is "best" simply because it's in publication
 
Thanks Einstein1905. Your theories are very interesting. I quite agree with you with the fact that a theory is not proved just because it's in a book!! I could give you hundreds of examples in my own field (geography, economy).
I'm insulinodependant (type I), I don't have any Langerhans bodies left. I'm using humalog and lanthus.

As far as my cycles are concerned I'm using lots of antiestrogens (exemestane and proviron), my calories must be OK because with AAS I'm getting fat and water. Actually with AAS I'm getting first : muscle + fat + water then after 3 or 4 weeks I'm getting more fat and losing muscle. I was told it was because I'm getting more and more insulinoresistant (with AAS), I'm getting a high level of cortisol very quickly (before end of cycle), I'm getting much prolacine (first I get a good shape on my lower pectorals, after some time I'm getting wrinkles (kind of pleats) under tits and under armpits). It sucks. I want to find a way to have good cycles.
I must say I'm 57 y of age too, it doesn't help (I practiced natural b'bg for longer then 30 years, I started to juice 3 years ago because I'd like to compete).
I'm 5 ft 7 and 87 kg (not shredded!). I started with 56 kg and with AAS I added about 15 kg (from 75 to 90.5 kg).
Your help would be very much appreciated.
 
Geebee52 said:
Thanks Einstein1905. Your theories are very interesting. I quite agree with you with the fact that a theory is not proved just because it's in a book!! I could give you hundreds of examples in my own field (geography, economy).
I'm insulinodependant (type I), I don't have any Langerhans bodies left. I'm using humalog and lanthus.

As far as my cycles are concerned I'm using lots of antiestrogens (exemestane and proviron), my calories must be OK because with AAS I'm getting fat and water. Actually with AAS I'm getting first : muscle + fat + water then after 3 or 4 weeks I'm getting more fat and losing muscle. I was told it was because I'm getting more and more insulinoresistant (with AAS), I'm getting a high level of cortisol very quickly (before end of cycle), I'm getting much prolacine (first I get a good shape on my lower pectorals, after some time I'm getting wrinkles (kind of pleats) under tits and under armpits). It sucks. I want to find a way to have good cycles.
I must say I'm 57 y of age too, it doesn't help (I practiced natural b'bg for longer then 30 years, I started to juice 3 years ago because I'd like to compete).
I'm 5 ft 7 and 87 kg (not shredded!). I started with 56 kg and with AAS I added about 15 kg (from 75 to 90.5 kg).
Your help would be very much appreciated.

Being type I is no real issue for our purposes....an advantage if anything. Are you actually using Humalog pwo, or are you simply using it strictly as a diabetic would?

At 57, your aromatase activity will be much greater than someone in their 20's-30's. Your bf% will also dictate the level of aromatase activity. What's your current bf%. what dose of test are you using/wk, and what dose of aromasin with it? Also, how much proviron?


I assume you're monitoring BG regularly. if your diet is very consistent day to day, you can see for yourself if AAS is increasing insulin resistance in peripheral tissue (it doesn't sound like it, as you're still gaining fat after 4 weeks into your cycles). Your BG levels will be gradually higher at set time points day to day. Morning fasting BG would be the best indicator, especially if your prebedtime meal (it should be just casein) is consistent, and you get ~ same # of hours of sleep/night. Humalog, being insulin lispro, has been shown to be the only insulin to be able to still mediate insulinic activity, even in insulin-resistant individuals. It's also been shown to be least likely to induce further insulin resistance.


What % of your diet is protein? carbs? fat? What does your macro intake look like over the course of the day? Do you have recent bloodwork values we can look at?
 
Einstein1905, you're as good as L Rea with your questioning (it's a big compliment coming from me). I'll answer soon all your questions except on bf (I had it measured on Friday by a doctor, but he forgot to tell me the figure -or I didn't pay attention to it) ; I'll have to phone him on Monday.
 
OK Einstein1905, off we go!
1) I'm using humalog with each meal 6 times a day, that is 2 to 6 IU each time, except breakfast and pwo) trying to do it for b'bg purposes at the same time : i.e. 8 or 10 IU upon waking up before whey protein drink (and oats later for breakfast), 10 IU (I went till 20) pwo before quick sugars + L-glutamine + BCAA (and whey proteins + oats 10 mn later). Since April I have been getting Lanthus as well (12 IU for the day in one shot). I'm a type 1 diabetic but I'm getting fat.

2) Off cycle I'm not getting any test. On cycle I had 200 mg prop EOD or 250 omnadren 2x/week. But it was always stacked with another roid (deca-duraboiln, dia, anapolon, equipoise). I'll start a new cycle to-morrow. I get self-made proviron and aromasin (with Chinese powder) and I'm not sure about the quality of it especially proviron (I don't get horny) : 25 mg aromasin 1 or 2x/d, same for proviron.

3) My BG is increasing during my cycles : very quickly first then it will stay the same (high). When I stop, it's nearly cut into half, very quickly. But after a few weeks, while off, my BG is again fairly high (not as high as during cycles). If too much humalog doesn't lead to insulino-resistance, it's good for me. What about lanthus ? I only decided to use it because my morning BG were bad during cycles (usually they were OK).

4) Now that you know it all, do you think I could use slin for b'bg purpose, without getting fat ? Non diabetics can gain as far as 10 kg a year, I don't. Why not ?

5) Food (macro intake) :
prots : 31 % (220g/day) ; sugars : 62 % (440g/d) ; fats : 7 % (40 to 60 g/d)
6 meals ; on training day each meal 37 g prots, 76 g sugars (60g only for last one) ; on rest day each meal 29 g prots , 102 g sugars (60 only for the 2 last ones)
fats : included in fish or meat plus hemp oil, canola oil, nut oil
breakfast : 10 to 20 g whey proteins, 2 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 80 to 100 g raw oatmeal, 200 to 500 ml orange juice, 1 teaspoon hemp oil, 1 tablespoon canola oil
morning snack : 10 to 20 g casein-whey-egg proteins, 100 to 150 g raw oatmeal, orange juice
lunch : 200 g fish, 300 g (weight cooked) brown rice (or basmathi rice, or whole noodles, or kamut noodles), veges, a fruit, 1 soja yogurt, 1 tablespoon nut oil, orange juice (with 10 g raw oatmeal when needed)
afternoon snack = same as morning snack
dinner :200g meat (turkey breast, lean beef filet, chicken leg ...), low index sugars (lentils, chickenpeas, splitpeas, beans) or same starchy food as lunch, 1 soja yogurt, 1 tablespoon nut oil, 1 teaspoon hemp oil
evening snack = morning snack with less oats

on training days : no evening snack, one snack only depending of workout timing
preworkout : 20 g whey proteins + BCAA
postworkout : 40 g quick sugars (dextrose or honey) + 10 g L-glutamine + BCAA then 100 g oatrmeal + 20 g whey proteins.

I'll post my blood works later;
 
Toughbody said:
if ALR was such a "guru," why isn't tony freeman doing anything in the pro ranks...?

einstein,how does this sound?

10 weeks of

100mg anadrol
1g sus250
600 deca
5iu's jino

LMK!
Sounds good to me... though id go with 12-14 weeks for the test and deca and jino... much longer for the jino actualy... maybe only do anadrol for the first 4 weeks... later
 
A couple big things really stand out off the bat. Even w/o seeing your estradiol levels, I can say for sure that you're using far too much AI, and your on-cycle estrogen levels are far too low. Estrogen plays a large role in anabolism, and cutting it short greatly reduces anabolic potential. Also, estrogen DOES have a role in lipolysis to some degree too. At the doses of test you're using (w/o yet seeing your on and/or off cycle estradiol levels), I'd say that 12.5mg/day of aromasin is sufficient, especially with supplementing 25-50mg/day of proviron with it. In fact, 12.5mg EOD is what I'd usually recommend for a typical ballpark 500mg/wk of test dosage, but I'd also add in nolva. I think you'd be much better served by reducing aromasin down to 12.5mg/day (or even less) and adding nolva at 20mg/day.

The other big thing is diet. I'd say there is far too many carbs being consumed and at the wrong times IMO.
Being a type I, you're basically going to need to use one of the longer acting slins no matter what, so Lantus at a relatively low dose is good to maintain just sub-basal insulinic activity throughout the day, and Humalog is the obvious choice for fine-tuning BG around meals. Since the activity of lantus is pread out almost over the course of a full day, its activity/unit time is very low, and it'll play little to no role in fat gain. However, your meals are structured so that you have lots of carbs in each meal, and your protein intake is relatively low. While on, I take in at least 2g/lb of protein. I do this not only to always be in a hyperaminoacidic state to provide raw material for the increased protein synthesis that comes along with using anabolics but also because excess protein will be utilized via mitochondria instead of direct carbs, when the ratio of the 2 is skewed such that protein predominates. You'll notice that you can tolerate a much lower bg level while consuming mass amounts of protein and few carbs, and this is because amino acids are being utilized for energy and this puts less of a burden on the glucose in serum as an energy source.
I'm not sure where you have cardio in there, but it should be first thing in the AM on an empty stomach IMO, and the subsequent meal should be strictly protein and fat only. I'd avoid using humalog within 2 hrs either side of cardio. The real anabolic effects of Humalog come from about a 1.5hr window immediately pwo (resistance training) anyway. You should, as best you can, avoid meals that contain many carbs in addition to fat, as the carbs will necessitate your using Humalog, and the presence of fat means that it'll be stored...no questions asked. That's why a high protein diet is far superior, especially for your situation. Protein with fat is fine, and protein with carbs is fine, but carbs with fat should be avoided at all costs.
When utilizing Humalog pwo, I only go IM so as to greatly increase the activity onset, which reduces the duration during which muscles are in a catabolic, glycogen-deprived state. Either way though, IM or subQ, using Humalog pwo should be followed by "just enough" carbs and an abundance of protein (bcaa's are great).

The general layout should be one where your diet in the morning and early afternoon is predominated by protein and fat.....your pre workout meal contains some carbs and protein, and your pwo meal contain just enough carbs and an abundance of protein. This splits the day into 2 "phases"; the first is the lipolytic phase, where the body is primed to utilize fat stores for energy and NOT further store fat. The 2nd phase is the anabolic phase, where carbs are utilized mainly to restore depleted muscle glycogen stores, and an abundance of amino acids are used to mediate the high rate of protein synthesis that follows resistance training.
I know that if you'll shift your macro intake to one similar to what I've laid out, it'll be much easier to lose bf, and at the same time, be just as easy, and likely much more so, to gain LBM (mainly by providing the body with more protein).
Your use of Humalog throughout the earlier part of the day will likely be reduced a great deal, due to the reduced carb intake in exchange for amino acid metabolization.

using less AI and instead incorporating nolva should really help you to keep systemic estrogen at a much more favorable level but at the same time prevent estrogenic activity at all the sites where it's unwanted (via tamoxifen). Many people have found that using nolva at higher doses (20-40mg/day) along with cardio and a clean diet can really reduce estrogenic fat deposition (lower/lateral pecs, love handles, etc). Also, with the lower dose of AI, and thus higher systemic estrogen, LBM should also be easier to attain.


The only real concern with this is kidney function. As we age, kidney function decreases gradually. if your kidney funtion test (mainly BUN here) are in normal ranges, then I wouldn't be too worried about the shift to a greater % protein intake





Geebee52 said:
OK Einstein1905, off we go!
1) I'm using humalog with each meal 6 times a day, that is 2 to 6 IU each time, except breakfast and pwo) trying to do it for b'bg purposes at the same time : i.e. 8 or 10 IU upon waking up before whey protein drink (and oats later for breakfast), 10 IU (I went till 20) pwo before quick sugars + L-glutamine + BCAA (and whey proteins + oats 10 mn later). Since April I have been getting Lanthus as well (12 IU for the day in one shot). I'm a type 1 diabetic but I'm getting fat.

2) Off cycle I'm not getting any test. On cycle I had 200 mg prop EOD or 250 omnadren 2x/week. But it was always stacked with another roid (deca-duraboiln, dia, anapolon, equipoise). I'll start a new cycle to-morrow. I get self-made proviron and aromasin (with Chinese powder) and I'm not sure about the quality of it especially proviron (I don't get horny) : 25 mg aromasin 1 or 2x/d, same for proviron.

3) My BG is increasing during my cycles : very quickly first then it will stay the same (high). When I stop, it's nearly cut into half, very quickly. But after a few weeks, while off, my BG is again fairly high (not as high as during cycles). If too much humalog doesn't lead to insulino-resistance, it's good for me. What about lanthus ? I only decided to use it because my morning BG were bad during cycles (usually they were OK).

4) Now that you know it all, do you think I could use slin for b'bg purpose, without getting fat ? Non diabetics can gain as far as 10 kg a year, I don't. Why not ?

5) Food (macro intake) :
prots : 31 % (220g/day) ; sugars : 62 % (440g/d) ; fats : 7 % (40 to 60 g/d)
6 meals ; on training day each meal 37 g prots, 76 g sugars (60g only for last one) ; on rest day each meal 29 g prots , 102 g sugars (60 only for the 2 last ones)
fats : included in fish or meat plus hemp oil, canola oil, nut oil
breakfast : 10 to 20 g whey proteins, 2 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 80 to 100 g raw oatmeal, 200 to 500 ml orange juice, 1 teaspoon hemp oil, 1 tablespoon canola oil
morning snack : 10 to 20 g casein-whey-egg proteins, 100 to 150 g raw oatmeal, orange juice
lunch : 200 g fish, 300 g (weight cooked) brown rice (or basmathi rice, or whole noodles, or kamut noodles), veges, a fruit, 1 soja yogurt, 1 tablespoon nut oil, orange juice (with 10 g raw oatmeal when needed)
afternoon snack = same as morning snack
dinner :200g meat (turkey breast, lean beef filet, chicken leg ...), low index sugars (lentils, chickenpeas, splitpeas, beans) or same starchy food as lunch, 1 soja yogurt, 1 tablespoon nut oil, 1 teaspoon hemp oil
evening snack = morning snack with less oats

on training days : no evening snack, one snack only depending of workout timing
preworkout : 20 g whey proteins + BCAA
postworkout : 40 g quick sugars (dextrose or honey) + 10 g L-glutamine + BCAA then 100 g oatrmeal + 20 g whey proteins.

I'll post my blood works later;
 
einstein1905 said:
His main "philosophy" is short cycles to prevent the onset of the body's "countermeasures" in response to supraphysiological levels of androgens. So, compared to people whose cycles don't contain sufficient countermeasures to counteract the body's countermeasures, then his short cycles may appear to be genius. However, a longer cycle WITH proper countermeasures can yield as much mass with less sides. His cycles are just a variation of the other 80's-oriented cycles, so comparing his cycles to those cycles, yes, his are better. However, comparing his cycles to an intelligently-planned longer cycle is a whole different story. His short cycles are also motivated by his assumption of less HPTA suppression (which is true), however, his ideas of pct are predicated on 80's-style pct as well. A longer cycle that takes advantage of the esters used, and also the elevated estrogen levels, but also takes measures to reduce SHBG levels (by the addition of more androgenic compounds later in the cycle as well as a slight increase in AI dosage) in conjunction with a AAS dosage increase later in the cycle, followed by proper pct can and should yield excellent results, provided diet and training are in order too.

His ideas aren't new. There's a very good reason why the trend is shifting to longer cycles, because when done properly, they're a more efficient way to add mass and retain it. The key is "when done properly".

I have to agree with Einstein on this one. I've read the book and while reading the book I started having flash backs of the 80s. It's not new information the real interesting thing about it is the depletion and rejuvination of the receptors.
I stumbled across this about 5 years ago while testing out diet and AAS use.
While I would go an a week binge and then a week depletion of calories and protein intake. You can read any medical journal and or survival guide to learn that the body adapts to increase/decrease of protein. If you play on this role then you will have some short term success in gains and hope to keep them.

BTPB is based on phase cycling and is more geared towards advanced athletes.
I would not recommend for beginners and I am not a pro competitor but am very close to the national level competition level and would not do this at my stage even now.
 
Einstein1905, you deserve your name ! Thanks for your advice.

1) First I'll give you some lab-works (I'll get more on Monday, but not estradiol unfortunately) :
July 27 th 2004 (last part of pct, on clomid) (cycle was omnadren 500 mg/w and boldenone (300 mg/w):
bloodworks :
* ASAT : 60 U/L (standard : 14-50)
*ALAT : 63 U/L (st : 11-60)
*gammaglutamyltransferase : 18 UI/L (st : 11-43)
*bilirubin : totale 12 mcmol/L (st : <20)
direct : 4 mcmol/L (st : <5)
indirect (free) :8 mcmol/L
*alkaline phosphatase :70 UI/L (st :37-110)
*factor II percentage : 94 % (st : 70-100)
*factor II quick time : 13.3 seconds
*creatinine : 156 mcml/L (17.5 mg/l) (st : 50-115 mcmol/L)
*creatinine clearance for 88 kg BW : 58 ml/mn (st : 90-135)

May 11th 2004 (early part of pct, on HCG and clomid since May 15th) (cycle was 500 mg omnadren/w, 100 mg deca-durabolin EOD from March 8th, after 2 weeks omnadren/anapolon ; last week : anavar only)
bloodworks :
*cortisol : 476 nmol/L (st on morning : 160-780)
* total testosterone : 26.99 nmol/l (st : 9.70-31.40)
*hematocrit : .50/unit (st : 0.40-0.54)
* creatinine : 141 mcmol/L
* creatinine clearance for 84 kg BW : 61 ml/mn
*BUN : 198 mcmol/L (st : 200-350)
*triglycerides : 0.68 mmol/L (st : 0.50-1.70)
*fasting BG : 6.40 mmol/L (1.15 g/L) (st : 4.00-5.50 mmol/L)
*TSH : <0.01 mU/L (-st : 0.40-4.40) [I'm on T4 and T3]

April 17th 2004 (on cycle, started on March 8th omnadren/anapolon then omnadren/deca from April 9th)
bloodworks :
*creatinine : 128 mcmol/L
*creatinine clearance for 85 kg BW : 68 ml/mn
*potassium : 4.03 nmol/L (st : 3.7-4.7)
*sodium : 133 nmol/L (st : 136-146)
*chlorine : 89 nmol/L (st : 98-106)

Einstein1905, I forgot to tell you that I'm on T4and T3 permanently : about an hour before getting out of bed I'm waking up and getting 50 g levothyrox and 25 g cynomel, then I go back to sleep for an hour ; about 1/4 before dinner, I'm getting another 25 g cynomel. I'm getting permanently 1500 mg ALA a day and 4 mg avandia ED.
As you can see my kidney is not in very good health and I have to avoid too many proteins...unfortunately, but i've been told that glutamine and BCAA are not bad for kidneys.
 
2) Einstein1905, I started my 9th cycle this morning with the same food as usually (no training day). I got 200 mg test cypionate and 10 mg dianabol for breakfast at about 8.15 (I'll get 10 mgx4 to-day).
BG has already gone higher
fasting BG at 7 h : 1.01 g/l
7 h : 10 IU humalog with whey proteins
7.30 to 8.15 : breakfast with 10 mg dia
9.30 : 200 mg test cypionate
BG at 10.30 : 1.68 g/l (bad, because of dia ?)
10.30 : 12 IU lantus
10. 35 : 7 IU humalog
10.35 to 10.50 : morning snack
BG at 12.04 : 1.06 g/l (good)

My cycle will be a Max androgen phase I've done already wth prop instead of cypio (my cypio arrived when cycle was over), Building the Perfect Beast p. 60:
with slightly smaller doses :
D1-4 : cypio 200mg/dia ; dia 10 mg 4xD
D5 : " 3xD
D6-9 : cypio 150 mg/deca-durabolin 50 mg/dia 10 mg 3xD
D10 : " " 4xD
D11-13 : 100 100 4xD
D14-15 : 100 100/no more dia
D16-20 : 50 150.
D21 : anavar 20 mg
D22-23 : " 20/clomid 50 mg 2xD
D24-26 : 30/ "
D27-29 : 40/ "
D30-35 : clomid 50 mg
D29-42 : HCG 1000 IU
don't know yet what antiestrogens because I'll follow your advice.

3) in another mail
 
3) During this cycle I'm going to train 5 times a week (each muscle group once a week)
chest
back and traps
arms
shoulders
legs (incl.calves)
I'll use L. Rea's max androgen techniques as exposed p. 209 to increase number of type II fibres (I've done it already)
my problem is that I don't know when I should train abs (otherwise I'll train far longer than 1 hour)

4) in next post
 
4) I'll follow your advice in the following way, Einstein1905, please tell me if I understood rightly :

I'll get 12.5 mg aromasin EOD and 20 mg nolva ED during my cycle (D1-35). No proviron.

If my urineworks are not too bad (results on Monday), I'll get more proteins with a higher quantity or glutamine and BCAAs (not dangerous, but my BCAAs order will arrive in two weeks or later) : 400 g/D proteins for a BW of nearly 200 lds.

I forgot to tell you that my caloric intake was 3000 cal on training days and 3320 cal on rest days. Should I increase it ?

I'm not having cardio at all because I've been told I wouldn't get muscle mass with it (I was interested in bulking). Do you agree with that ?

My new diet is going to be (starting on Tuesday)
breakfast : 75 g proteins, 40g fat, 40 g carbs.
problems : I thought I could only assimilate 30 g proteins ; I mix carbs and fat and you wrote I shouldn't but if I get slin I need to get some sugars ! :(
morning snack:60g proteins, 100 g carbs, no fat
lunch :70 g prots, 60 g carbs, no fat (when follows pwo liquid meal)
lunch :70 g prots, 40 g fat (when doesn't follow training)
afternoon snack : 60 g prots, 100 g carbs, no fat
dinner : 70 g prots, 40 g fat (except when follows pwo meal)
dinner : 70 g prots, 60 g carbs, no fat (when follows pwo liquid meal)
evening snack :60 g prots, 60 g carbs, no fat
I'm not sure about caloric count. Part of my prots will come from oats (meals with carbs) and soybean.
Should I get more meals ? :confused:
Does it make sense ? I'd like to put on as much lean weight possible (I'd like to reach 220 lbs on December 31 th). Can I make it with so few carbs ? :confused: I wont' compete till spring 2005 (1st competition ever)
How much glutamine ? How much BCAAS ?

pre-workout meal : 100g raw oats (= 11 g prots, 62 g carbs), 30 g whey powder, 20 g glutamine, 10 g BCAAs

post-workout liquid meal :
10 IU humalog + 40 g honey in water, 20 g glutamine, 20 g BCAAs
10 mn later : 30 g whey powder

solid meal (lunch or dinner) starts an hour later. Question is it imperative to start one hour later ? Is sooner or later so bad ?

Thanks Einstein1905
 
Hi,

I've got my lab-works from August 17th 2004 :
blood-works
glycosylated hemoglobin : 6.4 % (st : 4.0-6.0) [1st time ever it is above normal it was 5.5 in July 2002, 5.3 in January 2003 and 5.8 in october 2003]
ASAT : 41 U/L (st : 14-15)
ALAT : 45 U/L (st : 11-60)
potassium : 4.08 mmol/L (st : 3.7-4.7)
sodium : 137 mmol/L (st : 136-146)
blood creatinine : 139 mcmol/L
urine-works
urine output for 24 h : 4400 ml
creatinine : 5008 mcmol/L
creatinine clearance : 1.83 ml/sec.
corrected clearance : 1.70 ml/sec (st : 1.50-2.20)

I should be OK for more prots and less carbs.
 
urine-works :
free cortisol :
*August 17th 2004 : 238 nmol/24 h (st : 40-240) (pct)
*May 3rd 2004 : 225
*January 18th 2003 : 551 (during cycle with sustanon and deca-durabolin, free test was > 175 pmol/L while st is 49-145, SHBG was 45.5 nmol/L while st is 13-71)
old blood-works :March 3rd 2003 off cycle):
*estradiol : 80 nanog/L (was 79 in July 2002) (st : >55)
*prolactin : 13.7 mcg/L (was 8.5 in July 2002) (st : 2.1-17.7)

Sorry I was wrong for glycosylated hemoglobin, I got bad figures already (April 2003 : 6.6 %, I was off cycle and had only 12 ng/dl free testosteron)
 
Well, your off-cycle bloodwork looks great in terms of test:estradiol and also SHBG, so that's pretty indicative of your age not being much of a factor interms of increased aromatase activty, and is even more of an argument to back down on AI doses (12.5mg EOD of aromasin and 20mg/day of nolva should be plenty), and this should help in terms of adding mass and staying lean (to a lesser degree).

Your Hb being elevated OFF cycle is odd, especially sinve it's normal on cycle. Increased Hb means increased RBCs, which is typical while using anabolics......odd, but nothing to really worry about.

Great to see C clearance is back w/in range....I'd definitely give the higher % protein diet a try and also the macro combos and timing I mentioned earlier, like you'd laid out.
I'd say your caloric intake is too low, especially with your taking in so much T3. Your T3 dosage is at least 2x normal daily T3 production, and this is certainly increasing caloric expenditure. If you're on permanent Thyroid replacement, I'd try to stay nearer to physiological doses (~20-30mcg/day or just use T4 at 4x that dose). If you do stay at the dose you're using now, calories will need to be increased. Gaining mass is as simple as taking in more calories than you expend. whether the increase in weight is LBM or fat depends on macro combos and timing. You can certainly add in cardio, especially with the "lipolysis/anabolism split as far as macro intake goes that I mentioned earlier. The cardio will obviously expend more calories, but these calories should come primarily from fat stores during the first half of the day. You'll still need to be at a caloric surplus over the course of each day, but by adjusting macro combos and timing, you can still lose bf and gain LBM....a "clean bulk" if you will.

also, with this type of diet, like I mentioned, your BG will be lower than normal, yet you should feel just fine. My BG is sub 100ng/dL most of the day, and I'm at 55-65ng/dL for about 1hr pwo, with no hypoglycemic symptoms (due to insulin "satiating" muscles and reducing the reliance on BG for glucose.

Like I said, the lantus won't affect much in the way of getting you fat, but keep Humalog to a bare minimum during the 1st half of the day.

I think you'll like the results the change in diet is going to provide, and the anti e's issue should help things along too
 
Thanks again Einstein1905. You seem to think that my new diet will be OK. Now I'll have to find real ingredients that fit in it. I may ask you again if it's OK.
What value should my caloric intake reach ? The doc told me on Friday that my bodyfat is 20.7 % for 87 kg.[in december 2003 it was 15.9 % for 75 kg]

What about training do you agree with it ?
Do you agree with my cycle ?
 
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