Have any of you done a controlled catabolic protocol before starting an AS cycle ? It's supposed to clear out androgen (and other) receptor-sites. It can last either 14 days or if DNP is used 11 days (5 mg, DNP per kg/d for days 6-10). You cut calories and you overtrain (each day, supersets).
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bronco944
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if you do this all thast gonna happen is basicaly a rapid gain of weight you lost doing this precycle. its not realy going to help you amke any extra process. teh whole "cleaning receptors" is bs. androgen receptors are born and die every single day. they are constantly being replaced. so basicaly that 14 days before your cycle, your depleting glycogen and possibly losing some muscle, jsut so when you go back to your reguar routine and start your cycle its gonna seem like you gained a ton of weight that first week, but in reality all you realy did was replace what you lost in that catabolic phase.
einstein1905
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I don't know where the whole "clogged receptor" talk got started, but you can't "clean out" your receptors, and they don't get "clogged". The receptors you have today are not the receptors you'll have tomorrow. The life of most receptor types is hours (or less)..
The whole theory is a bad (and completely unfounded) idea
The whole theory is a bad (and completely unfounded) idea
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bronco944
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L Rea is a very intelligent person, but you gotta remember who his advice is generaly used for, very high level athletes. people who are constantly trying to trick tehre body to gain an extra 5 pounds. not the average juicer. a protocal like that is somethign that needs to be monitored individualy by someone who is very knowledgable of teh subject. so if he was working with say ronnie coleman to do this right before hid contest prep for teh olympia then it might actualy help him retain more muscle through out it. but its not gonna do anything for the average juicer. the whole theory seems to have been thought up after watching bodybuilders gain such a massive amount of weight post contest.Geebee52 said:
Rea's books are a general guideline of principles, not a step by step guide. you have to have a specific goal and tweek those theories to amek tehm work for you. if you ever talk to him personaly hell ask you a ton of questions. i asked him onetime what the best shot timing was when taking slin, gh, and igf would be and he responded with about 10 questions for me, so theres no cut and dry answer. the average juicer shouldnt pay quite so much atention to abstract theories and follow general knowledge. if you ever become a top level competitor tehn its time to try some more advanced techniques. but for 99% of us on here will be better off sticking to the basics and working with the knowledge thrown around the boards.
einstein1905
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bronco944 said:
I disagree. On what basis is he an intelligent person? Having money to publish a book doesn't make what's in the book correct. The only stuff I agree with is the general stuff, which isn't his own theory at all. His "unconventional" theories are never really supported, nor do they make much scientific sense. He only posts on his board, because he's a "genius" there, but if he were to post on open boards, then he'd actually have to substantiate his claims, and who wants to do that? He takes every opportunity he can to plug his HM gear products (also advertised via ridiculous, unsubstantiated claims).
His cycling ideas (and even pct ideas) are very outdated.
He always alludes to the successes he's had with "top level pros"....Really? That must be true too.....it's written in a published book after all.
Money to publish a book does NOT confer credibility
Toughbody
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if ALR was such a "guru," why isn't tony freeman doing anything in the pro ranks...?
einstein,how does this sound?
10 weeks of
100mg anadrol
1g sus250
600 deca
5iu's jino
LMK!
einstein,how does this sound?
10 weeks of
100mg anadrol
1g sus250
600 deca
5iu's jino
LMK!
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incrediblehulk
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GEebee - where did you read or learn about this???
I actually did this once. I didnt realis it was common knowledge. i tell you what it seriously stresses your CNS.
lmk
I actually did this once. I didnt realis it was common knowledge. i tell you what it seriously stresses your CNS.
lmk
bronco944
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einstein1905 said:
i have never read one of his books. and i am unsure what board your talkin about. the one im talkin abut isnt openly posted and is invite only and he is not part of teh admin. hes a friend of teh owner. ive asked him a few questions there and teh replies i got and teh ones i read from otehr people askin showed he has a lot more knowledge tahn i or most otehr people on the subject. also ive never even heard of his hm gear, nor has he tried to sell me it or plug his book.
Toughbody
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the board is A-P...pretty slow now-a-days!
UVX-Rx
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Geebee52 said:
I have.... gained 22 pounds in 4 weeks and lowered bodyfat. It works.
bronco944
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yep thats the one, havent been tehre since april. sucks to here it didnt take off that good. it was still real new when i first got there.Toughbody said:
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Frosty said:
22 pounds in 4 weeks and loss of bodyfat clued me in to its efficacy.
If you look at bodybuilding competitors, they gain a lot of quality mass after a competition. The premise is not so much different than the concept of carb depletion and carb loading or sodium loading and depletion. You are preparing the body for a period of overcompensation. By putting your body in a overtrained, depleted state, the natural reaction of the body is to over compensate when put in a favorable state (which an AAS cycle and high protein and calorie diet would provide). The results synergistically surpass those that would have been gained if this state had not been forced upon the body. I had my doubts, but once I put it in practice, the results spoke for themselves.
UVX-Rx
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Frosty said:
Prior cycles where this protocol was not used.
damn einstein i think you are a very intelligent bro, VERY! but sometimes you've got to open your mind to new ideas even if you don't agree with them, just say fuck it and give it a try, you have nothing to lose but a little time.... I have got to admit Author L. Rea is a fucking genius in my book, since giving his proticols a try, i have to say so far im fucking growing like i have never grown before!!! so although his ideas may go against the norm, i said fuck it and gave it a try and i am soooooooooo glad i did. peace!einstein1905 said:
einstein1905
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b-boy said:
His main "philosophy" is short cycles to prevent the onset of the body's "countermeasures" in response to supraphysiological levels of androgens. So, compared to people whose cycles don't contain sufficient countermeasures to counteract the body's countermeasures, then his short cycles may appear to be genius. However, a longer cycle WITH proper countermeasures can yield as much mass with less sides. His cycles are just a variation of the other 80's-oriented cycles, so comparing his cycles to those cycles, yes, his are better. However, comparing his cycles to an intelligently-planned longer cycle is a whole different story. His short cycles are also motivated by his assumption of less HPTA suppression (which is true), however, his ideas of pct are predicated on 80's-style pct as well. A longer cycle that takes advantage of the esters used, and also the elevated estrogen levels, but also takes measures to reduce SHBG levels (by the addition of more androgenic compounds later in the cycle as well as a slight increase in AI dosage) in conjunction with a AAS dosage increase later in the cycle, followed by proper pct can and should yield excellent results, provided diet and training are in order too.
His ideas aren't new. There's a very good reason why the trend is shifting to longer cycles, because when done properly, they're a more efficient way to add mass and retain it. The key is "when done properly".
Thanks bros for your answers.
I've been L. Rea's client for a few months (I couldn't afford longer) and I can say I learned a lot (not enough because it's been short) and I've got much confidance in him. I'm a hard-gainer, a diabetic, I've only got one kindney working, I'm old and over-anxious. My body reacts very strongly to AAS (insulino-resistance, auto-immunity to gear) and after 4 weeks I start losing weight, therefore short cycles have been a must for me.
If Einstein has got contermeasures for longer cycles I'm quite ready to give it a try. Can you give me an example ?
But when I was L. Rea's client, each time I did nearly what he advised me to do (a supp or a gear product didn't arrive in time) I missed, each time I did it exactly it worked.
Now I have to be contented with following his books. I found controlled catabolic protocol in his last one.
Einstein you don't need to have money to publish a book ; I don't have money and I published several books (not on b'bg).
I've been L. Rea's client for a few months (I couldn't afford longer) and I can say I learned a lot (not enough because it's been short) and I've got much confidance in him. I'm a hard-gainer, a diabetic, I've only got one kindney working, I'm old and over-anxious. My body reacts very strongly to AAS (insulino-resistance, auto-immunity to gear) and after 4 weeks I start losing weight, therefore short cycles have been a must for me.
If Einstein has got contermeasures for longer cycles I'm quite ready to give it a try. Can you give me an example ?
But when I was L. Rea's client, each time I did nearly what he advised me to do (a supp or a gear product didn't arrive in time) I missed, each time I did it exactly it worked.
Now I have to be contented with following his books. I found controlled catabolic protocol in his last one.
Einstein you don't need to have money to publish a book ; I don't have money and I published several books (not on b'bg).
