Controlling High BP.

[Alex.stmpnk]

Thanks for the warning.

"Everything stated is for entertainment purposes only."

Homeopathy!!!

Well; I think pharma drugs are good; but in order to prevent I prefer to use homeopathic or alternative natural methods, I mean, Mother Nature is the biggest pharma lab there is and most of the awesome drugs it naturally creates are still largely misunderstood and it’s potential health benefits, such as spider or snake venom that is used to threat certain diseases, right???

 

[Roger rabbit]

What troubles me is folk using supplements as a substitute for
medications with a proven benefit.

For instance I JUST ADMITTED a gal in DKA, who decided to manage her Diabetes with supplements rather than insulin and metformin.

The FDA REQUIRES clinical trials are conducted to prove a substance WORKS, for a specific indication, and that’s NOT the case with supplements.

Yes, in those situations I concur. Trying to use a supplement instead of insulin is foolish.

When a situation gets to the point of no return, that is when I feel modern medicine should be used. The situation you mention is for sure something never to play with.

 

[Alex.stmpnk]

I mean, look at the very first antibiotic, penicillin grown from mushrooms, then the pharma industry studied it and sintethyzed it to make it affordable for the masses, I think balance is the key, we can use pharma drugs for critical diseases or injuries and natural treatments for prevention and maintenance

 

[Dr JIM]

Especially when medical methods in other countries have been proven to work but our FDA says it's not good enough.
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NAME ONE and chances are legitimate concerns arose and is why the FDA requested additional studies, placed the approval on hold or denied it outright.

Here’s a couple examples PHEN-FEN, and Viox, yet BOTH of these drugs were approved!

I know many on this forum are willing to experiment with their body, and that’s their prerogative, yet most in THIS COUNTRY prefer a higher standard and want to KNOW the drugs being sold are appropriately scrutinized to better define what the risk and/or reward is in real terms.

 

[Dr JIM]

spider or snake venom that is used to threat certain diseases, right???

Exclusive of envenomation that originated in “Mother Nature” come again?

 

[Roger rabbit]

NAME ONE and chances are legitimate concerns arose and is why the FDA requested additional studies, placed the approval on hold or denied it outright.

Here’s a couple examples PHEN-FEN, and Viox, yet BOTH of these drugs were approved!

I know many on this forum are willing to experiment with their body, and that’s their prerogative, yet most in THIS COUNTRY prefer a higher standard and want to KNOW the drugs being sold are appropriately scrutinized to better define what the risk and/or reward is in real terms.

Stem cell injection into the heart just to name one medical method. Germany approves this and is having wonderful success rates but the FDA will not approve this.

The FDA is not the end all know all everyone makes them out to be and isn't the higher standard imo.

And yes, I know this procedure works for failing hearts because I flew my father to Germany to have this procedure done, but again, the FDA is bought and paid for by big pharma.

Appproving this medical method takes the patient off pills!

 

[Dr JIM]

Stem cell injection into the heart just to name one medical method. Germany approves this and is having wonderful success rates but the FDA will not approve this.

I’d suggest you spend a lot more time reviewing the outcomes for this INVESTIGATIONAL procedure, and what SPECIFIC conditions are being “treated”.

 

[Roger rabbit]

I’d suggest you spend a lot more time reviewing the outcomes for this INVESTIGATIONAL procedure, and what SPECIFIC conditions are being “treated”.

Spent years investigating it. Even looked into getting him into the trials. Thanks for the suggestion though.

He had the procedure done already and has been taken off all medication by his doctors and his heart is healthier than it has been in over 20 years.

 

[Dr JIM]

Spent years investigating it. Even looked into getting him into the trials. Thanks for the suggestion though.

He had the procedure done already and has been taken off all medication by his doctors and his heart is healthier than it has been in over 20 years.

A single anecdote is not a clinical trail and the latter is what the FDA requires, and should require, before an experimental procedure receives approval as specific therapeutic indication.

 

[Dr JIM]

Spent years investigating it. Even looked into getting him into the trials

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I’d also like to review any of the stage II clinical trials you used as a reference OR what his doctors cited as evidence this form of
therapy is beneficial and what end points or outcome measures were used to determine “benefit”.

 

[Roger rabbit]

I’d also like to review any of the stage II clinical trials you used as a reference OR what his doctors cited as evidence this form of
therapy is beneficial and what end points or outcome measures were used to determine “benefit”.

Little history because I know you are truly interested and not ridiculing me. Plus I enjoy conversing with you.

In his life he has had 4 heart attacks. All of them requiring bypass surgeries. He has had a total of 12 stints put in his heart.

The last heart attack almost 4 years ago caused his heart to function at 35% my dad looked into all kinds of different options since the stints weren't working for his body etc. he came across this and researched for about 2 years and tried to get into some clinical trials in Boston and Texas but decided against that since he could have a chance of getting the placebo stems.

Well, since we are German and came from Germany we can get this procedure covered, made the appointment and spent time in Germany to get everything done.

Now, today his heart is functioning at 75% and the thing is he is actually now growing capalaries that are helping the heart even further.

What has happened to my father isn't anything exceptional, it is something that was expected and what the Germans have seen over and over.

 

[Dr JIM]

Your assessment of what “Germans have seen over and over” is NOT evidence based in the absence of clinical trials.

Glad your father is doing better nonetheless.

 

[Brolloks]

Your assessment of what “Germans have seen over and over” is NOT evidence based in the absence of clinical trials.

Glad your father is doing better nonetheless.

Why do you assume clinical trials are absent, and that Germany allows uncontrolled research on patients?

There are several phase III trials in progress:

Re-growth of the adult heart by stem cells? | European Journal of Cardio-Thoracic Surgery | Oxford Academic

 

[Roger rabbit]

Your assessment of what “Germans have seen over and over” is NOT evidence based in the absence of clinical trials.

Glad your father is doing better nonetheless.

That's not my assessment lol. There are plenty of trials it's why we moved forward.

 

[noggin]

1 Check hematocrit. Donate blood if needed.

2 For moderately high BP, Telmisartan rocks. It both lowers BP and leans you out a bit, without dieting or wasting muscle.

3 For nasty BP (i.e. from high dose Tren) only beta-blockers like Atenolol can lower it.
It calms and cools you down. Start slow 12.5 mg as it can drop your BP too low from excessive dosages.

4 ORAL Minoxidil can lower BP due to vasodilation and its proven to regrow hair!
Start slow 5 mg ED or so. Too high a dose can cause tachycardia.

5 Estrogen actually dilates blood vessels and lowers BP a bit.
VASCULAR ACTIONS OF ESTROGENS: FUNCTIONAL IMPLICATIONS
Effects of estrogen on the vascular system
Estrogen Induces Vascular Wall Dilation

This is the best (most concise) review on AAS BP management I have seen. When magnesium, arginine, and citrulline fail to keep my BP in check I use telmisartan. It works wonders for test-related Hypertension. I add atenolol or metoprolol when on anadrol for breakthrough hypertension if I am already in telmisartan. Never tried minoxidil though.

Just a warning if you use telmisartan limit your use of NSAIDs, the two together can decrease renal perfusion and kill off nephrons reducing kidney function.

 

[Oregongearhead]

Little history because I know you are truly interested and not ridiculing me. Plus I enjoy conversing with you.

In his life he has had 4 heart attacks. All of them requiring bypass surgeries. He has had a total of 12 stints put in his heart.

The last heart attack almost 4 years ago caused his heart to function at 35% my dad looked into all kinds of different options since the stints weren't working for his body etc. he came across this and researched for about 2 years and tried to get into some clinical trials in Boston and Texas but decided against that since he could have a chance of getting the placebo stems.

Well, since we are German and came from Germany we can get this procedure covered, made the appointment and spent time in Germany to get everything done.

Now, today his heart is functioning at 75% and the thing is he is actually now growing capalaries that are helping the heart even further.

What has happened to my father isn't anything exceptional, it is something that was expected and what the Germans have seen over and over.

Wow--thats amazing .
Best wishes for your dad. Thats probably the future they say , stem cells

 

[MindlessWork]

Wow--thats amazing .
Best wishes for your dad. Thats probably the future they say , stem cells

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Same here and hope your dad hangs in there @Roger rabbit .

I've heard of stem cell treatments to restore hearing (I am partly deaf due to a serious childhood illness), but the price ($35,000) put me off.

Stem cell treatment for heart disease? Sounds promising and whish that were around when my paternal grandmother had 2 heart attacks in 2 years and died after the 2nd one in 1998 at just 78 years old.

 

[Johndoe]

Why hasn't anyone mentioned water? This is the best thing to thin blood out.

Ensure you are getting adequate amounts of water intake daily.

Personally, I don't feel taking medication for blood pressure is the answer. Take one thing (aas) then have to take more medication to counter the sides?

Personally there is many natural sources that help lower blood pressure.

What I take daily is 10grams of l-argenine
4 grams of l-citruline
600mg magnesium ( and if you aren't supplementing with magnesium anyways you are really cheating yourself. )

And of course I drink ginger and green tea daily.

My blood pressure remains at 110/ 70 this is taken 3 times per day for a few selected random days out of the week.

A final note: my blood pressure used to be 140/85 constantly years ago until I decided to do something about it. But I've never taken a medication product to fix the underlying issue since medication only masks the underlying issue.

What does supplementing magnesium do bud?

 

[Roger rabbit]

What does supplementing magnesium do bud?

Magnesium is responsible for over 300 functions in the body. But the magnesium helps the flow of blood and has been demonstrated in several studies. Most Americans are very depleted in this mineral as it is. BUT use the topical magnesium not oral magnesium.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Magnesium is responsible for over 300 functions in the body. But the magnesium helps the flow of blood and has been demonstrated in several studies. Most Americans are very depleted in this mineral as it is. BUT use the topical magnesium not oral magnesium.

oral mag works just fine