I haven't really paid a lot of attention to the presidential race, but it seems like everyone hates Kerry, especially a lot of people on this board. They make him look like he is the devil in a 2 thousand dollar suit. I have listened to a few talk shows and speeches of his and he doesn't seem bad at all, in fact I liked a lot of what he said. I definitely agree that this race is one where you need to pick the least terrible candidate, and I have seen nothing so far to say this guy is worse than Bush. What does this guy stand for, what is so bad about him that he is worse than Bush in many of your minds. I have no preconceived notions about the man and know very little about him, so it will be interesting to hear what people have to say.
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Could someone tell me why so many people don't like John Kerry
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KTCKSports
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It's simple. He's a left wing liberal. Does that answer your question?
Massive690
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plus he's always come off as being kind of a pussy, or liberal in otherwords
krom
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He's got a long face
Sensational
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Most people IMO don't like him because his opinions are complex, and it gives him the sense of being timid or nuanced almost to the point of paralysis. I like him better than Bush though~Sensational
krom
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and he's got a long face
Ian Smith
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lolkrom said:
.... I think politics are a good thing, unitl the politicians get involved, and vice versa,,, if that makes any sense.... I dont care for either and I dont think there has been a candidate in my lifetime that Ive cared for... They're all full of shit... I believe that many had good intentions when they first began being politicians,, but the higher up they go,,, the more the "politics" of their jobs jade their perception,, and eventually; they all lose sight of why they wanted to become politicians in the first place.
And Kerry has a long face.
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Im not even sure that he knows. He changes viewpoints and opinions more frequently than I change socks. He cant stick to a story other than "Bush bad, me good." His voting record is attrocious and is more liberal than his senior senator, Ted Kennedy. He stands for nothing and everything all at the same time, just depends on what time of day you ask him.Primo Max said:
To understand why many people don't like Kerry, you need to understand a little about American politics. The Democratic Party, particularly the left wing should more appropriately be called the Socialistic party. Socialists want the state to own the means of production and distribution. Kerry can accurately be classified as a socialist. If he were elected he would favor govt. involvement in every sector of the economy. His voting record in the senate clearly indicates that he thinks that every problem can be solved by more govt. control.
He doesn't realize that free markets work. While the science of economics shows the less govt. interference, the more prosperous a nation will be.
Just my $.02
He doesn't realize that free markets work. While the science of economics shows the less govt. interference, the more prosperous a nation will be.
Just my $.02
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crunch76
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kerry seems to me to be typical politican these days, changing his views no firm stance, look at bush who i know a ton of people hate, but at least with him you know where he stands, is there ever any doubt? not to me, i dont like some of it but i know what im going to get. i dont think kerry has shown that and ever will. i remeber some weird story about him finding* a long lost relative and saying "hey hes jewish, im part jewish to!" turned about to be false, and is just really weird. i belive in his war record, he is a fuckin hero no matter what anyone says, and the way he came back and stood up to washington and said this is bullshit means he had* balls of steel, but now.., i do belive he got into politics cuase he gave a shit, but now its just about winning, i just see flip floping on issues to get votes. wish dean woulda been more likeable to the mainstream democrats, the guy was straight forward. again a guy where u like or hate but know what he stands for, guess democrats didnt feel he could beat bush, whatever happens he still seems typical, and especailly with every fuckin speech he gives they turn up the echo on the mic and he talks all long making his voice echo out, its so goddamn fake, listen to his next speech on tv , tell me if that shit sounds natural, then ask yourslef why he is doing that shit, fook that junk, slimy politian
Hogg
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Simple reason why people hate Kerry. Lets say you make a middle class living but certainly not enough to be upper middle class, lets say you gross 80-120K. John Kerry believes that you are the one who should contribute more to the pot such that he can spend it on increasing the size of government to dish out entitlements to the lazy fucks who didnt pay their dues (ie, learn a trade, go to college, stick with a job and slug out a long grind up the corporate ladder). In addition, the democrats, as a whole, want to throw money to the poor, the elderly, those who shit out too many kids and cant pay for them and they were too stupid to use birth control....and it falls upon this bracket of wage earners to feed, cloth, and educate their miserable fucking brats and feed their fat asses with $ 3/case beer and cigarettes......
Those who make more than $ 155K will get it in the ass even harder and those who make more than $ 330K agi might as well just quit working.
Were it fair, were it that EVERYBODY paid the same percentage, I would not bitch. Were it that the Democrats were willing to cut the government head count and implement accountability, I would not bitch. Were it that the Democrats are not Socialists at heart, I would not bitch.
The reality is, they fail the test for each item referenced above and are thus the enemy of the wage earner.
Everybody says the poor and the elderly get screwed when the Republicans are in power. It is bollocks, the republicans simply lighten the immense and unfair load on the middle and upper class wage earners which was originally cast down with prejudice by the democratic leaders before them.
Bush was good for 2% and he lightened the cap gains tax by 20%. How would you feel risking $ 200K of your money in the stock market only to make $ 20K per year on it knowing full well and good that you would have to kick down 35% to the fed and a commensurate portion to the state where applicable? Now, what happens when the market goes upside down? The government lets you write off a loss of $ 3K but when your $ 200K principal is now worth $ 150K, it obviously makes little difference. At least under bush, if you hold the cap gain out for a year, you pay 15% fed.....its still not fair but it is a start in the right direction.
Those who make more than $ 155K will get it in the ass even harder and those who make more than $ 330K agi might as well just quit working.
Were it fair, were it that EVERYBODY paid the same percentage, I would not bitch. Were it that the Democrats were willing to cut the government head count and implement accountability, I would not bitch. Were it that the Democrats are not Socialists at heart, I would not bitch.
The reality is, they fail the test for each item referenced above and are thus the enemy of the wage earner.
Everybody says the poor and the elderly get screwed when the Republicans are in power. It is bollocks, the republicans simply lighten the immense and unfair load on the middle and upper class wage earners which was originally cast down with prejudice by the democratic leaders before them.
Bush was good for 2% and he lightened the cap gains tax by 20%. How would you feel risking $ 200K of your money in the stock market only to make $ 20K per year on it knowing full well and good that you would have to kick down 35% to the fed and a commensurate portion to the state where applicable? Now, what happens when the market goes upside down? The government lets you write off a loss of $ 3K but when your $ 200K principal is now worth $ 150K, it obviously makes little difference. At least under bush, if you hold the cap gain out for a year, you pay 15% fed.....its still not fair but it is a start in the right direction.
crunch76
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agree with you so much there hogg, i would love to see a party that is truely for the working man,
something i noticed after sept 11, just my observastion could be bullshit, everyone had american flags on cars, now driving around in jersey, the rich cars gone, flags gone, the young people cars students, flags gone, the poor cars gone, the working mans car? still fuckin there, stickers flags,
these are the people who love this counrty the most and these are the ones getting screwed, democrats wana say they are for the middle class and working man and still get most of the union votes, but there needs to be another party, they are full of shit and the burden falls on the middle class familys and the get no services for it, and they are still patriots, another party truley for them would change shit, hope it happens
something i noticed after sept 11, just my observastion could be bullshit, everyone had american flags on cars, now driving around in jersey, the rich cars gone, flags gone, the young people cars students, flags gone, the poor cars gone, the working mans car? still fuckin there, stickers flags,
these are the people who love this counrty the most and these are the ones getting screwed, democrats wana say they are for the middle class and working man and still get most of the union votes, but there needs to be another party, they are full of shit and the burden falls on the middle class familys and the get no services for it, and they are still patriots, another party truley for them would change shit, hope it happens
Hogg said:
Hogg, you never replied to any of the inquiries made by various members into Meso members IQs. I suspect that yours is quite high. Why don't you tell us? You can PM me if you don't want it public. You have a different type of intellect than I do. I generalize; I try to create general rules out of specifics. You deal with specifics; you yield them well to make a point. Just giving some of Rods late night irrelevant ramblings.
Hogg
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Rod said:
I honestly do not know where it stands. I have not been motivated to find out.
Hogg said:
It really doesn't matter. You will achieve what you will achieve. I'm just curious because psychometrics is one of my curiosities.
Of course it is next to impossible to tell someones IQ through casual observation, but I suspect that yours is quite high. Your verbal fluency (your ability to express yourself) is impressive.
Hogg, if you don't mind my asking what is your education? I would guess MBA.
Sorry if I am being too familiar, it is just that one gets curious.
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Rod, if Hogg wasnt workin so hard to feed the 18 Mexican families living in the 2-bedroom house next to his, maybe he would have the time and money available to get an official IQ done.
Amen brother Hogg! We dont seem to ask for much from our "representative" government. Simple ideas like fairness in taxation and accountability for gov't agencies and workers really arent outlandish ideas. Well, except in the public sector, of course. Any private business would have been dead about 100 years ago.
Hogg
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Rod said:
Computer Science. I began as an EE but switched to Comp. Sci as I have literally grown up with the PC since 1981. My occupation was moreso EE than Comp Sci up through the year 2000 and I have a very strong background in engineering, specifically control engineering, automation, systems integration and the like. Up through 2000, I ran a team that replaced people with computer systems and pushed process data from the shop floor to the ERP.
I like to read and I believe that reading causes a person to develop their vocabulary on a much more grand scale than simply picking up words through dialog. I have also wrote a number of lengthy documents on software engineering, process, etc. during my career which has enhanced my ability to convey my thoughts in writing.
Hogg
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Bob Smith said:
LOL....vietnamese are starting to make a run on my neighborhood now.
