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GnarShred

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So today I am starting my cut and I should have posted this couple weeks ago but for whatever reason here I am.
Quick Background:
I am starting week 9 of a 12 week cycle/program. I gained 20lbs without increasing bf. I am 5'2" and now 158lbs approximately 10% bf (or less)
Planning to do 5-6 days a week at 50g carbs a day and 200g protein
Then 1-2 days at 300 carbs 200g protein. Trying to keep fat pretty low and no sugar sweets etc even on carb days (when I carb up I want quality carbs not cheat carbs)

Any advice on the low carb is welcome. Is 50g for my weight about right? 5 days a week enough or should I do 6? If I do 5 would the 2 carb days be together or seperated? Thanks guys!
 
I couldn't get past the part about gaining 20lbs without gaining body fat....

No such thing as chest carbs or quality carbs. Those are things relative to you but have no actual definition.

What's your TDEE or maintenance cals? How many cals you plan on eating? How much fat is "pretty low"?
 
I couldn't get past the part about gaining 20lbs without gaining body fat....

No such thing as chest carbs or quality carbs. Those are things relative to you but have no actual definition.

What's your TDEE or maintenance cals? How many cals you plan on eating? How much fat is "pretty low"?

So donuts and cookies are equal carbs for energy and not gaining fat as yams, oatmeal etc? Mat not be definition of cheat carbs but that's the idea in comparison of what I was saying.

Not sure on how many fats yet. But staying away from greasy cheeseburger etc that I had some of during bulk. I didn't measure bf but if I gained any it couldn't have been much at all. Right now main focus is 50g carbs day and 200g protein. I'll track fats and post tomorrow
 
I agree with doc about 20 lbs gain without any increase in bf. How did you test your bf? Do you look in the mirror and compare to other 10% bf pics or did you actually get it tested. Not trying to be a dick it's just slot of people underestimate their bf%. Myself included until I actually had it tested.
 
So donuts and cookies are equal carbs for energy and not gaining fat as yams, oatmeal etc? Mat not be definition of cheat carbs but that's the idea in comparison of what I was saying.

Not sure on how many fats yet. But staying away from greasy cheeseburger etc that I had some of during bulk. I didn't measure bf but if I gained any it couldn't have been much at all. Right now main focus is 50g carbs day and 200g protein. I'll track fats and post tomorrow

I just asked about the fat intake bc 50g carbs and 200g protein is only 1000cals and not sure what your TDEE is.

And correct about donuts and cookies and yams and oatmeal. Once you eat them the body turns them into the same exact molecule....glucose. Plus, carbs rarely get converted to fat.
 
I agree with doc about 20 lbs gain without any increase in bf. How did you test your bf? Do you look in the mirror and compare to other 10% bf pics or did you actually get it tested. Not trying to be a dick it's just slot of people underestimate their bf%. Myself included until I actually had it tested.
No your not being a dick your 100% correct. I just look. But I had been tested at 7% before. I'd say I'm 9-10. No way I'm more than 12%
 
This still isn't proving a measurement but you can Atleast get an idea of what I look like
 

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I just asked about the fat intake bc 50g carbs and 200g protein is only 1000cals and not sure what your TDEE is.

And correct about donuts and cookies and yams and oatmeal. Once you eat them the body turns them into the same exact molecule....glucose. Plus, carbs rarely get converted to fat.
I plan being around 1800 calories a day. So guess that's not very low fat if 800 calories are fat. I'll log today and post macro tonight or tomorrow
 
I would say you look about 12% maybe a hair lower in that pic but it's hard to tell as some ppl store their fat in the legs and have pretty lean upper body's.
 
Even if all carbs ate essentially turning to glucose wouldn't you want low glycemic index on low carb diet to keep from huge spikes on blood sugar and trying to get steady energy off the few carbs you get?
 
I would say you look about 12% maybe a hair lower in that pic but it's hard to tell as some ppl store their fat in the legs and have pretty lean upper body's.
I was going to say the exact same thing. The stomach can easily pass for 10% maybe lower but looks like he's holding it in other areas. I wish I was like that I'm the exact opposite.
 
My highest fat is low stomach and under my chest. And I understand pic csn be misleading. All in all I'm not in a fat contest just want to look shredded and this is where I am today. Even just shedding a few lbs if fat I'll be pumped with my end result for this cycle
 
Even if all carbs ate essentially turning to glucose wouldn't you want low glycemic index on low carb diet to keep from huge spikes on blood sugar and trying to get steady energy off the few carbs you get?

Do you eat your carbs alone or eat them with protein, dietary fat, and/or fiber? If any of these other macros are eaten also they will slow down the digestion of even the fastest carbs. GI load of a meal is more important than GI index of a single food as you rarely eat one single food. Plus GI is irrelevant to body composition. It's calories and macros not how quickly a carb is digested.
 
Interesting. I hear what you're saying but I'll still admit I'm skeptical to think that a donut is equal to a yam. Then why the heck dont we all just eat sweets and whatever we want as long as we're in our macro range. I feel like this is what over weight people do as well as your 18% bf guy who stays on bulk all year every year.
With that being said I am open to learning and am interested in reading more on that topic! Thanks for your input doc!
 
Do you eat your carbs alone or eat them with protein, dietary fat, and/or fiber? If any of these other macros are eaten also they will slow down the digestion of even the fastest carbs. GI load of a meal is more important than GI index of a single food as you rarely eat one single food. Plus GI is irrelevant to body composition. It's calories and macros not how quickly a carb is digested.
Doc. If you eat high glycemic carbs with saturated fats wouldn't the insulin spike drive the fats to fat stores?
 
Also back to one if the original questions. ....Is 50g day carbs good? Should I do slighty more like 75g? 5 days a week?
 
Interesting. I hear what you're saying but I'll still admit I'm skeptical to think that a donut is equal to a yam. Then why the heck dont we all just eat sweets and whatever we want as long as we're in our macro range. I feel like this is what over weight people do as well as your 18% bf guy who stays on bulk all year every year.
With that being said I am open to learning and am interested in reading more on that topic! Thanks for your input doc!

You're welcome!

Lyle McDonald, Alan Aragon, Will Brink, Brad Shoenfeld, Ian Helms, etc all have great info on this topic if nutrition.

You can eat whatever and still have good body comp but good health is also dependent upon micronutrients which is lacking in a lot of junk foods. A scientifically backed approach that I recommend is to get most of your macros from whole and minimally processed foods so as to get a diverse micronutrient profile which is essential for many physiological functions and reserve some remaining calories for the foods you enjoy that might be processed more. Usually 10-20% of your total daily cals is what I suggest for these "indulgences".

Using a friend as an example, a buddy of mine just this past May or June won his pro card at his show. He was eating brownies, ice cream, McDonald's all the way up to 4wks out from the show. He came on stage at around 4-5%.

Using myself as an example, I eat what I want, when I want and make it fit my calorie and macro needs. This includes salads, chicken breasts, eggs, meats, etc but also a ton of brownies, ice cream, cereal, fast food, greasy burgers, etc and my body composition has never been better.

Point I'm trying to make is not that you must eat all junk food or you have to eat junk food but nutrition isn't as strict as many make it out to be. In fact, a diet of all chicken and broccoli would be worse than a diverse diet that does include donuts, cookies, brownies etc bc the latter will have a more diverse micronutrient profile while also meeting caloric and macro needs. Foods can't be labeled as clean/dirty or good/bad outside the context of the entire diet so Eat what you like, make it fit your needs, and eat shit in moderation.

Doc. If you eat high glycemic carbs with saturated fats wouldn't the insulin spike drive the fats to fat stores?

Yes but insulin will not overpower a calorie deficit ;)

Fat storage and oxidation is constantly occurring. Ppl worry about the minutae, ie will this be stored as fat if I eat it, while forgetting what's really important. You're always storing and burning fat at different rates. Insulin is given far more credit than it deserves.

In your above example yes an insulin spike would send dietary fat to be stored as fat but dietary fat is stored as fat without an insulin spike too. Primary fate of the fat you eat is storage so even with low glycemic carbs your store fat. A other thing to consider is that protein spikes insulin more than carbs in certain cases but I don't see anyone scared of protein.

Think about things in the order of importance:
1) total daily calories
2) total daily macros
3) macronutrient breakdown

And way, way, way, WAYYYYYYdown the list, so low it's basically negligible until you're about to step on stage, is high GI vs low GI carbs.

Also back to one if the original questions. ....Is 50g day carbs good? Should I do slighty more like 75g? 5 days a week?

50g of carbs is fine for a low carb day if carb cycling yes. I'd have ~3-4 low carb days, 1-2 medium carb days, and 1 high carb day
 
You're welcome!

Lyle McDonald, Alan Aragon, Will Brink, Brad Shoenfeld, Ian Helms, etc all have great info on this topic if nutrition.

You can eat whatever and still have good body comp but good health is also dependent upon micronutrients which is lacking in a lot of junk foods. A scientifically backed approach that I recommend is to get most of your macros from whole and minimally processed foods so as to get a diverse micronutrient profile which is essential for many physiological functions and reserve some remaining calories for the foods you enjoy that might be processed more. Usually 10-20% of your total daily cals is what I suggest for these "indulgences".

Using a friend as an example, a buddy of mine just this past May or June won his pro card at his show. He was eating brownies, ice cream, McDonald's all the way up to 4wks out from the show. He came on stage at around 4-5%.

Using myself as an example, I eat what I want, when I want and make it fit my calorie and macro needs. This includes salads, chicken breasts, eggs, meats, etc but also a ton of brownies, ice cream, cereal, fast food, greasy burgers, etc and my body composition has never been better.

Point I'm trying to make is not that you must eat all junk food or you have to eat junk food but nutrition isn't as strict as many make it out to be. In fact, a diet of all chicken and broccoli would be worse than a diverse diet that does include donuts, cookies, brownies etc bc the latter will have a more diverse micronutrient profile while also meeting caloric and macro needs. Foods can't be labeled as clean/dirty or good/bad outside the context of the entire diet so Eat what you like, make it fit your needs, and eat shit in moderation.



Yes but insulin will not overpower a calorie deficit ;)

Fat storage and oxidation is constantly occurring. Ppl worry about the minutae, ie will this be stored as fat if I eat it, while forgetting what's really important. You're always storing and burning fat at different rates. Insulin is given far more credit than it deserves.

In your above example yes an insulin spike would send dietary fat to be stored as fat but dietary fat is stored as fat without an insulin spike too. Primary fate of the fat you eat is storage so even with low glycemic carbs your store fat. A other thing to consider is that protein spikes insulin more than carbs in certain cases but I don't see anyone scared of protein.

Think about things in the order of importance:
1) total daily calories
2) total daily macros
3) macronutrient breakdown

And way, way, way, WAYYYYYYdown the list, so low it's basically negligible until you're about to step on stage, is high GI vs low GI carbs.



50g of carbs is fine for a low carb day if carb cycling yes. I'd have ~3-4 low carb days, 1-2 medium carb days, and 1 high carb day
Do you think carb cycling makes a difference?
 
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