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Lipid incinerate said:
If anyone can suggest a good diet that won't make me gain fat but will let me gain mass I'm more than happy to take that advice. I've been cutting like hell recently but want to build from a good base starting point
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Here's a starting point. You do the research on how much of the three. Good luck bro.
 
Test_Subject said:
Shit, I'm five cycles in and I won't touch the stuff. I don't get why non-competitors take tren. The price to pay is too high for vanity alone.
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Everyone's different. My sides haven't been bad at all. I could tell the difference wishing 2 weeks of adding it to my test. Acne and the odd night with sweets that's about it.
 
First thing I would do is never bring up the the excuse of low T for why you were fat and had no muscle. I have Hypothyroidism and had a test level of 180 ng/dl and I still had nice size, chest striations and benched 3 plates I lift 6 days a week. My primary care physician refused to give me TRT due to my mass and low BF had to be sent to an endo. Yes its much harder to make dem gainz and stay lean but don't use it as a crutch for why your diet and training was/is not on point. Dial your shit in and pick up on aas at a later time.
 
Jeremiahflex said:
First thing I would do is never bring up the the excuse of low T for why you were fat and had no muscle. I have Hypothyroidism and had a test level of 180 ng/dl and I still had nice size, chest striations and benched 3 plates I lift 6 days a week. My primary care physician refused to give me TRT due to my mass and low BF had to be sent to an endo. Yes its much harder to make dem gainz and stay lean but don't use it as a crutch for why your diet and training was/is not on point. Dial your shit in and pick up on aas at a later time.
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First thing is I never used it as an excuse. I just noticed I was weaker while training at first and it took a total of 3 years of no T to finally get an endo to sort me out. It was never an excuse I still trained but what ever carbs I ate I didn't burn they eventually built up on me. I never stopped training either but it's funny how as soon as I was given the TRT the diet started to work when before the TRT it never changed anything. At one point I collapsed at work and it was the final straw that made the endo decide on TRT instead of another mri or 200th blood test. I changed my diet as soon as I was told I've got low T and still trained but it never made any difference. I never even drank beer. So I've not made it an excuse so please done suggest I have. It was the main cause of my issues that started 3 years ago and now within 12 months of TRT look at me. I've lost the lot 3 stone of bf. Also I never said its why I had no mussel I said my mussel started reducing over the 3 year period to what I've got left now after a massive diet.
 
Jeremiahflex said:
First thing I would do is never bring up the the excuse of low T for why you were fat and had no muscle. I have Hypothyroidism and had a test level of 180 ng/dl and I still had nice size, chest striations and benched 3 plates I lift 6 days a week. My primary care physician refused to give me TRT due to my mass and low BF had to be sent to an endo. Yes its much harder to make dem gainz and stay lean but don't use it as a crutch for why your diet and training was/is not on point. Dial your shit in and pick up on aas at a later time.
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Ps I wish my test level was 180 at my
Lowest point.
 
I wasn't going to say this, but sense you keep crying about it, maybe someone should. Even if you did lose a bunch of size, muscle memory is an amazing thing. Did you just see Levrone's comeback? My old man used to do a lot of powerlifting. He beat the shit out of his body over the years from starting out working on the farm and helping my uncle with carpentry work during the summer, then logging during the winter. After he finished school he became a lineman. From 30-41 he lifted weights HARD. Really good old school mentality or work ethic trumps logical well thought out programs. He didn't know crap about nutrition or lifting at all, still got to 6'0 and 225lbs completely naturally. After multiple knee, back, neck, shoulder, and ankle surgeries he finally got put on long term disability a couple years back at only 46. He didn't lift also for quite a few years and had a similar really stupid diet of about 1,200 calories after he got put on disability. 6 months ago he decided to start lifting. He never got tested but has every sign in the book of low t. Within 6 months he went from 180lbs, and only 14.5" arms, to now he's up to 210lbs with 17" arms. One more thing, if you did used to have a bunch of muscle, you would still at least have signs of someone who used to be buff. Everyone has seen people before like hulk hogan and Mr t. You can tell back in the day they used to have some muscle. You just look like a bag of pudding. Take everyones advice, stop crying and just put in some work. You're just disgracing yourself with your 976 excuses you're giving.
 
"Massive belly fat face the lot all due to no test production" sounds like an excuse to me but either way good luck
 
I'll post update pics on this thread every few weeks from now on. At least people can see I've listened to there advice then diet and workout wise. Thanks again for all the advice.
 
You clearly need mass. Like everyone said, tren isn't going to help you right now.

I would up your test to about 500-600 and eat everything in sight. Keep an eye on fats but otherwise don't overthink it. If it's a food you enjoy, eat it all day.

In a couple of months winny will harden you up and take out some of the test water. You will be closer to where you want to be.
 
Diet is more important than any amount of gear bro! I'm running tri-blend as well except only 50mg/each ED(just bumped it up 25mg/each extra a day) I'm on week 5 & I'm seeing great results.
 

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drippie said:
You clearly need mass. Like everyone said, tren isn't going to help you right now.

I would up your test to about 500-600 and eat everything in sight. Keep an eye on fats but otherwise don't overthink it. If it's a food you enjoy, eat it all day.

In a couple of months winny will harden you up and take out some of the test water. You will be closer to where you want to be.
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I've got my diet on key now after spending the last 2 days reading and writing info down it's not that hard really to get a good diet going. Breakfast is a good one plenty of oats, then spinach with 4 boiled eggs and yolks, tea is steak with new potatoes this is just today's meals. Plus 2 protein shakes. Also dropped the tren and gone back to 600 test a week. Will finish cycle with just the test. Thanks for your reply mate
 
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