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Seems like the perfect genetic storm. A family history of heart problems and excessive steroid use. Some thing we all should fear. Interesting the cause of death wasnt "choking". It was heart disease
mands
By the looks of the report, he was in much worse shape than Rich and 20years youngerHis heart weighed in at 163 grams over Rich's.
mands
He also had by the looks of it early stages of cancer in his thyroid.By the looks of the report, he was in much worse shape than Rich and 20years younger
Said he started BB at 19. Turned pro at 21Anyone know how long he had been involved in the lifestyle? Couldn't have been too awful long, only being 26...
Not my area of expertise and maybe my friend Doc could answer...@DrJIM...all these contributing factors are listed yet the Manner of Death is "Natural". That doesn't make the factors listed speculation, correct? Just means he wasn't a homicide or suicide victim? The last is definitely a question and not a statement. Thanks in advance Doc.
I haven't thought about what you bring to meso in quite some time, Doc, or for that matter the Community. I was checking out a questionable source the other evening and came across a discussion about the testing going on here at meso. They were giving you the business, Doc. I had stopped in and made a post I had forgotten about. I left after making it. This was the first time i had been back after making the post a few months earlier.Many folk misunderstand the purpose of a Medical Examiners
report.
Bottom line the primary function of an ME is define the cause of an UNEXPECTED death into TWO broad categories; “natural” or “un-natural”
NATURAL causes include a variety of DYSFUNCTIONAL PHYSIOLOGIC processes, in which death may result or is deemed a reasonable outcome based upon KNOWN factors, the majority being based upon the autopsy itself or ancillary studies.
Salient “natural causes” include ailments such as; strokes, heart attacks, pulmonary embolus etc.
Other less obvious causes of a “natural” death include DRUG abuse, sepsis, shock etc.
However bc the standard varies considerably among jurisdictions and ME’s, cardiopulmonary arrest is often listed as the “natural” cause of death once “un-natural” etiologies have been ruled out.
UN-NATURAL ME listings almost always involve circumstances in which an environmental agent or behavior was THE inciting event which led to an individual’s demise and include; Suicide, Homicide.
Finally unless their exam reveals clear and convincing evidence of a proximate causation, some MEs will list “indeterminate”, as the cause of death.
The intent is to preserve whatever evidence exists until a latter date, enabling LE, technological advances or historical data etc to definitively determine causation.
Hope that helps.
Jim
I think its a pretty generic take away from all this. Genetics work both ways. McCarver had terrible hereditary heart conditions he either was ignorant to or knew about but proceeded anyway. That mixed with AAS was the damn perfect recipe to put him down for the count. I cant fault the guy. Could be any of us. But especially those of us that KNOW of heart conditions within our own family tree should take caution. Its a gamble and we should all be aware of that.It's a shame that Dallas died so young however, I think there are a lot of bodybuilders and gym rat AAS users in general that can take something away from this. Easy to say, "it won't happen to me." Dallas probably said the same thing.
163 grams is roughly the size and weight of a medium sized potato. Now considering McCarver was only 26 at the time of his death and by all sources had likely been using AAS since he was 19 makes it more shocking. Rich Piana had been using steroids and the like for 30 yrs. He died at 46. Rich was open about his massive AAS abuse. The difference between the two men? McCarver probably should of never been involved in this lifestyle due to underlying genetic factorsHis heart weighed in at 163 grams over Rich's.
mands
Rich also did not have a disease that could kill him by his 40s anyway.His heart weighed in at 163 grams over Rich's.
mands
I still kinda of side with Palumbo that there was some fuckery going on with the autopsy report (Rich's).... No tox screening? Come on.Rich also did not have a disease that could kill him by his 40s anyway.
I don't know much about that, it's different around here.I still kinda of side with Palumbo that there was some fuckery going on with the autopsy report (Rich's).... No tox screening? Come on.
His ex wife posted a video of him CLEARLY fucked up on opiods (or something similar).... It was quite sad, and honestly, gross of her to do. Nonetheless, it further indicates that the ME should've performed tox screening... I would be shocked to find out he died from anything besides an OD.... Remember, first reports from his GF were that he "passed out and hit his head during a haircut..." Well, sounds to me like he did a line of oxy, got a haircut and passed out, hitting his head on the way down. Not to mention first responders noted lines of drugs with a rolled up dollar bill next to them... I'm no genius, but, I can put those pieces together pretty easily...I don't know much about that, it's different around here.
But I recall seeing some snaps from Richs videos, where he was lobster colored. High BP and hematocrit are deadly combo.
You can get a thrombus/thrombemboly any second and it can dissolve/move away when you are past the point of no return.