damn my estrogen is still fucked and never had this happen before

[Liter O' Test]

Stop using ai for 1 month then reassess. It's not that hard. You are crashing E2 because you are taking too much.

a month? where did you pull that number out of?
also I already stated my estrogen without a.i is 60.

reading is not that hard is it

 

[Ligament]

a month? where did you pull that number out of?
also I already stated my estrogen without a.i is 60.

reading is not that hard is it

You are helpless.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

I seen someone on here saying test u was hard for them to dial in e2. I'm not saying it's the cause but could be something worth looking into.

 

[Liter O' Test]

I'm beginning to suspect its not the dose, but the frequency causing the crash.
Adex effect isn't linear at doses that crash. crashed is crashed.

I think that because I am dosing everyday, that small amount is having a larger effect than what the total weekly milligrams would imply.

Going to skip two days and then start 0.2mg EoD, then get labs 7 days after new dose just to get an idea

so I will have gone from .12mg ED to .08mg ED to .04mg ED to .02mg Eod

 

[readalot]

80mg test U every 4 days. gets me to around 600 ng/dl

I've been titrating up tren hex 60mg-100mg.

started 25mg anavar about 10 days ago

I wonder what your "baseline" E2 (via assay above) is on this regimen with no AI?

I assume the E2 of 63 pg/ml mentioned above is just on the Test only?

 

[Liter O' Test]

I wonder what your "baseline" E2 (via assay above) is on this regimen with no AI?

I assume the E2 of 63 pg/ml mentioned above is just on the Test only?

I started the tren in august and anavar in october

my higher readings are on the nonsensitive test and all my sensitive tests are crashed, however i quickly remind myself of my high estrogen symptoms mainly face bloating.

i let my estrogen ride at 60 nonsensitive a few years ago (with a.i) and i was looking ROUGHH. and earlier this year i thought i could do this low TRT dose of test u and be OK, and i experienced the same symptoms and had estrogen around 60 on the nonsensitive (no a.i)

but I am consistently at like 14 ultrasensitive so wtf

the nonsensitive readings at the top were me using pharma aromasin, and somehow got this repeating number pattern. IIRC it was like 6.25mg e3d , so i figured I needed more frequency since it was going up and down quickly and causing acne with the fluctuation.

so I changed to 6.25mg asin Eod and took my first ultrasensitive and got 14.

then i said screw it and went back to tried and true adex, .25mg pharma adex EoD or .125mg ED and got 14 again on ultra sensitive.

at wwhich point i swwitched to arail liquid so I can get more accurate smaller measurements

 

[Geardad]

I was gonna suggest asin instead of adex, but you already went that route. I don’t run test u, but from my experience with Cypionate, I aromitize significantly more with less frequent injections. When I was running 100mg e3.5d my e2 was around 60, I can run 35mg daily, and my e2 never gets above 30 without an ai.

 

[readalot]

then i said screw it and went back to tried and true adex, .25mg pharma adex EoD or .125mg ED and got 14 again on ultra sensitive.

Taking what along with the arimidex?

at wwhich point i swwitched to arail liquid so I can get more accurate smaller measurements

best wishes with the titration experiments.

 

[Liter O' Test]

I was gonna suggest asin instead of adex, but you already went that route. I don’t run test u, but from my experience with Cypionate, I aromitize significantly more with less frequent injections. When I was running 100mg e3.5d my e2 was around 60, I can run 35mg daily, and my e2 never gets above 30 without an ai.

yeah. i already do test u every 4 days however.

Taking what along with the arimidex?

low tren hex the second sensitive estradiol test.



first sensitive estradiol test on 6.25 asin eod =14

the last nonsensitive estradiol test at 22 was .25mg adex Eod

second sensitive estradiol .125mg adex ED ( wanted more stable)

that resulted in 14 , despite same weekly dosage as the 22 e2.

I thought it was a tablet splitting error so i went with adex solution

but it could have just been that the nonsensitive test was inaccurately higher.

 

[readalot]

but it could have just been that the nonsensitive test was inaccurately higher.

At the lower end absolutely you could easily have a gap that larger or larger on the RIA vs LCMS/MS E2 assay.

Thanks for the details. So it aint the UG product most likely. Curious if you get any movement as you reduce dosing further. You are getting down there.

I've cracked below 10 pg/ml on the sensitive E2 but had to crank up to a couple mg per week of adex.

 

[Scooby69]

Try a low dose of aromasin (5 mg) 2x/week, not EoD.

 

[BendigoShafter]

NaturalChrisA and FunctionalMia appear to be low-effort chatbots. Lame.

 

[Liter O' Test]

day two of no adex, tomorrow ill either start
.02mg EoD
.04mg EoD
or 0.2mg ED

i think ill trust the science and do .02mg ED , cutting my dose in half once again. idk how .14mg adex per week could crash me so if im crashed at this dose, safe to say the adex is inaccurately dosed or something strange is going on like my aromatase is screwed up from long term supression


I ordered 0.3ml insulin syringes, so its even easier to accurately dose.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Only use pharma AI in the future. Only run the ultra sensitive e2 test as you can see you are getting wildly different numbers between the two.
Aromasin over adex. No effect or possible increase to igf1. Bone anabolic instead of Bone catabolic. Less chance of hair loss. Twice a week dosing. This is what works for me anyway

 

[ChemBB]

Man -- 60 E2 is not especially high

If your face is bloating, I'll put money on it being from carbs/diet/electrolytes.

Going from 60 -> 30-40 E2 does not make the difference between moonface and normal face.

 

[Halldohr]

TRT dose is what for you? 125-150mg a week? I think there is no need for an A.I.

60E2 is not that high, are your nipples sensitive and do you hold lots of water? If not then dont take an a.i

I used exemestan in the past with 6.25mg e3d and that works very well for me.

 

[Liter O' Test]

the nonsensitive estradiol testing results on the picture I posted, was on ~6mg e3d aromasin dosing, so either the nonsensitive is wildly inaccurate even if doses are the same or the aromasin e3d was causing large fluctuations.

I have pictures from when I was 60 on TRT from 3 years ago and from earlier this year, varying diet and electrolytes etc, had moon face for a year, and it seemed like not only was it bloat but facial fat gain, not everyone is the same, i totally look like a different person at 60 estrogen.

I have my nipple glands removed so i am not worried about gyno, i dont hold too much water, I get severe acne, facial bloating and mood issues.

Ive been on gear for 8 years

 

[Halldohr]

Ok so you are very sensitive to e2

Maybe you give exemestane 6,25mg e3d a try or try boldenone.

I use it for e2 control and it works so good but you have to be careful its very strong in e2 control

 

[Liter O' Test]

Ok so you are very sensitive to e2

Maybe you give exemestane 6,25mg e3d a try or try boldenone.

I use it for e2 control and it works so good but you have to be careful its very strong in e2 control

this was on 6,25mg e3d nonsensitive
and 6,25mg eod got me to 14 sensitive

 

[W3ak]

Switch to Pharma AIs and Exemestame. Maybe even letrozole as an option but I highly doubt Pharma Aromasin won't be enough. What's your injection frequency