Good thread. Bump......
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
day one of attempting to restart
- Thread starter chap
- Start date
well it is end of the day 7, just got back from workout, doing a total body routine light for the first 1/2 of pct to go easy on myself, but I thought the exercise stimulation is a good idea anyway.... workout was great actually, feel really good, if it wasn't for the no libido I would be totally happy feeling this way all the time... oh, I took 500mg of tribulus today, the only supplement other than a multivitamin, just to keep the record straight
someone I talked to has said that nolvadex dampens libido in many people, have you guys heard that before? I am wondering if perhaps I am producing some good numbers already and yet my libido is down due to the serms? I feel too good to be someone with no testosterone flowing, and workout strength seemed pretty good too..... I wish I could do weekly free test etc. tests but I will probably only be able to afford one so I am not sure at what point I will do a blood test
someone I talked to has said that nolvadex dampens libido in many people, have you guys heard that before? I am wondering if perhaps I am producing some good numbers already and yet my libido is down due to the serms? I feel too good to be someone with no testosterone flowing, and workout strength seemed pretty good too..... I wish I could do weekly free test etc. tests but I will probably only be able to afford one so I am not sure at what point I will do a blood test
Matt Muscle
New Member
I would say that 100mgs of clomid and 20 mgs of Nolvadex would inhibit your libido.
Even though SERMS are meant to block the estrogen receptor, they are weak estrogens, so if you take enough of them they may start to act like the more potent estrogens, thus causing the negative effects on the male libido.
Swale did say that 50mgs of clomid was a "whalloping dose" So the combination of both these medications at the dosages you are taking may indeed be having this effect.
Even though SERMS are meant to block the estrogen receptor, they are weak estrogens, so if you take enough of them they may start to act like the more potent estrogens, thus causing the negative effects on the male libido.
Swale did say that 50mgs of clomid was a "whalloping dose" So the combination of both these medications at the dosages you are taking may indeed be having this effect.
that makes sense
anyway, as I have tapered down, late last night I actually felt a very small stirring of libido and was able to orgasm and ejaculate, which was a first since I stopped the hcg a few weeks ago. So this was very encouraging. It was difficult to get there, serms fault maybe? or low test high prolactin? not sure
today is day 9, 100 mg clomid, 20 mg nolva... .last day of this dose, taper down tomorrow
morning wood great again, feel good, no feelings of libido this morning
anyway, as I have tapered down, late last night I actually felt a very small stirring of libido and was able to orgasm and ejaculate, which was a first since I stopped the hcg a few weeks ago. So this was very encouraging. It was difficult to get there, serms fault maybe? or low test high prolactin? not sure
today is day 9, 100 mg clomid, 20 mg nolva... .last day of this dose, taper down tomorrow
morning wood great again, feel good, no feelings of libido this morning
I'm 35, and been on trt for about a year. This protocol won't be popular in this forum, but I feel great in every aspect.
I take 25mgs. clomid mon/wed/fri, along with .5 arimidex on the same days.
My TT stays at 850/900, (241-827). 25 mgs. of clomid is very powerful.
Every 2 months I switch to 5gms. androgel, and 250 iu. hcg 3x a week, along with arimidex.
That is what my doc has me do. I tried almost every form of trt and this has been the best for me.
All bloodwork has been good. I think small doses of clomid may go a long way for some with minimal to no sides. Just my 2 cents.
I take 25mgs. clomid mon/wed/fri, along with .5 arimidex on the same days.
My TT stays at 850/900, (241-827). 25 mgs. of clomid is very powerful.
Every 2 months I switch to 5gms. androgel, and 250 iu. hcg 3x a week, along with arimidex.
That is what my doc has me do. I tried almost every form of trt and this has been the best for me.
All bloodwork has been good. I think small doses of clomid may go a long way for some with minimal to no sides. Just my 2 cents.
chap said:
My doc thinks it is best to come off the clomid, even at a low dose, for a period of time. Hcg alone will not bring my levels up high enough, at a reasonable dose.
My libido is great at .25 3x a week. No sides.
50 mgs. or greater inhibit libido in my case. Oddly enough, my libido is greatist at night/evening, which is not a problem for my wife...lol.
The biggest drawback that Swale has said is that you can't get an accurate E-2 lab on clomid. My doc disagrees. It is what it is. I go by how I feel.
I am reading this with much interest.
So chap you are getting morning wood?
That is deffo a good thing.
Even ejacked is a good thing.
Out of curiosity was that porn or fantasize?
Just asking because men with low test levels still can ejaculate with porn but have problems when fantasizing.
Makes sense to me.
Id say if you are fantasizing and having ejaculations then this is a very good thing.
I am on day 5 of recovery myself.
How long are you going to run the clomid and nolvadex for?
This is a really good thread.
So chap you are getting morning wood?
That is deffo a good thing.
Even ejacked is a good thing.
Out of curiosity was that porn or fantasize?
Just asking because men with low test levels still can ejaculate with porn but have problems when fantasizing.
Makes sense to me.
Id say if you are fantasizing and having ejaculations then this is a very good thing.
I am on day 5 of recovery myself.
How long are you going to run the clomid and nolvadex for?
This is a really good thread.
afternoon today and thought I'd post an update, libido is unmistakenly coming back!! Became erect without too much difficulty this afternoon, still no major urge or anything, but the improvement in function so rapidly is amazingly encouraging!
As far as the fantasizing questions, I think it is all a matter of degrees, when your libido is skyhigh you can look at an ugly woman and get turned on, when your libido is bottomed out you need the girl to be extremely arousing just to get interested.
I am not sure what my protocal will be as I continue... I am going to run 50mg clomid/20 mg nolva starting tomorrow and coast with that for a bit, then taper that down too.... I don't want to quit too soon because I have read that a 2 month run seemed to result in good numbers persisting for long after.
As far as the fantasizing questions, I think it is all a matter of degrees, when your libido is skyhigh you can look at an ugly woman and get turned on, when your libido is bottomed out you need the girl to be extremely arousing just to get interested.
I am not sure what my protocal will be as I continue... I am going to run 50mg clomid/20 mg nolva starting tomorrow and coast with that for a bit, then taper that down too.... I don't want to quit too soon because I have read that a 2 month run seemed to result in good numbers persisting for long after.
I think it is ok on the nolva but not clomid.
Tapering is a good idea too and I mean taper it to 5mg, that is what I am going to do.
I am day 5
Tapering is a good idea too and I mean taper it to 5mg, that is what I am going to do.
I am day 5
end of day 10.... 50mg clomid, 20 mg nolva
not much new to report, libido still very low, but I feel really good, had a good workout, testicles are big... I wonder if libido will be this way until I get off the serms? I feel like I could stop now cuz I really feel like my hpta is producing, but I want to run for awhile to hope for a more longlasting cure.
not much new to report, libido still very low, but I feel really good, had a good workout, testicles are big... I wonder if libido will be this way until I get off the serms? I feel like I could stop now cuz I really feel like my hpta is producing, but I want to run for awhile to hope for a more longlasting cure.
Id run as planned if it was me.
This is something I copied on sunlight from a doc on MSN
Reduced Symptoms of PMS
Exposure to bright sunlight has been found to help alleviate some symptoms associated with pre-menstrual syndrome, such as mild depression and mood swings, irritability, physical discomfort and social withdrawal.
• Jet Lag Prevention
Doses of sunlight or simulated sunlight timed carefully upon arrival in a new time zone can reset your body’s biological clock, resulting in less daytime drowsiness and better quality night-time sleep.
• Reduction In Frequency of the Common Cold
A 10 – 20 minute exposure to ultraviolet light one to three times per week can result in a 40.3% reduction in the frequency of the common cold, thereby reducing the following symptoms: runny nose, sneezing, sore throat, coughing, and muscle aches. Reduction In Frequency of the Common Cold.
• Controls Obesity
Sunlight and/or simulated sunlight can stimulate the thyroid gland, which boosts your metabolism.
Robbie and Isabel says:
• Nature's Skin Protection
It is considered common knowledge that our natural tanning process provides protection against burning. Unlike some sunscreens, a tan can provide reliable, full-spectrum UVA/UVB protection against burning. Your natural tan provides protection that doesn’t rub, sweat or wear off the way sunscreen protection can.
• Prevention of Some Cancers
People who live in regions with more sunlight, such as New Mexico and Arizona, are known to have a lower incidence of death from ovarian, breast and colon cancers than those who live in places with less sunlight, such as New Hampshire and Vermont.
Helps Control Seasonal Depression
Many people, both young and old, spend more than 23 hours a day indoors. Over the last decade, studies at the National Institute of Mental health have produced evidence that the shortage of sunlight during winter produces clinical depression in millions of people. Exposure to sunlight or simulated sunlight for 10- - 20 minuets once or twice a week shows a 70% improvement in patients with Seasonal Affected Disorder (SAD). Light treatment is the only know cure for the “Winter Blues.”
• Increased Sex Drive
When the chest and back are exposed to sunlight, the male sex hormones may increase by up to 120%.
Robbie and Isabel says:
• Reduced Fatigue
Various laboratory tests and on-site studies have shown that the UV-inclusive light helps workers reduce fatigue and accidents, and dramatically increases productivity. Normal fluorescent lighting actually increases fatigue and drains the body of energy and vitamin A.
• Reduced Stress
Exposure to sunlight decreases adrenaline and noradrenaline levels for an anti-stressing effect. It also releases endorphins for the feeling of “well-being.”
Robbie and Isabel says:
ok thats enough for now, I have hundreds of topic lines like that we are condensing into a simple article.
matt says:
"When the chest and back are exposed to sunlight, the male sex hormones may increase by up to 120%." <---- thats all u needed to say... im sold
This is something I copied on sunlight from a doc on MSN
Reduced Symptoms of PMS
Exposure to bright sunlight has been found to help alleviate some symptoms associated with pre-menstrual syndrome, such as mild depression and mood swings, irritability, physical discomfort and social withdrawal.
• Jet Lag Prevention
Doses of sunlight or simulated sunlight timed carefully upon arrival in a new time zone can reset your body’s biological clock, resulting in less daytime drowsiness and better quality night-time sleep.
• Reduction In Frequency of the Common Cold
A 10 – 20 minute exposure to ultraviolet light one to three times per week can result in a 40.3% reduction in the frequency of the common cold, thereby reducing the following symptoms: runny nose, sneezing, sore throat, coughing, and muscle aches. Reduction In Frequency of the Common Cold.
• Controls Obesity
Sunlight and/or simulated sunlight can stimulate the thyroid gland, which boosts your metabolism.
Robbie and Isabel says:
• Nature's Skin Protection
It is considered common knowledge that our natural tanning process provides protection against burning. Unlike some sunscreens, a tan can provide reliable, full-spectrum UVA/UVB protection against burning. Your natural tan provides protection that doesn’t rub, sweat or wear off the way sunscreen protection can.
• Prevention of Some Cancers
People who live in regions with more sunlight, such as New Mexico and Arizona, are known to have a lower incidence of death from ovarian, breast and colon cancers than those who live in places with less sunlight, such as New Hampshire and Vermont.
Helps Control Seasonal Depression
Many people, both young and old, spend more than 23 hours a day indoors. Over the last decade, studies at the National Institute of Mental health have produced evidence that the shortage of sunlight during winter produces clinical depression in millions of people. Exposure to sunlight or simulated sunlight for 10- - 20 minuets once or twice a week shows a 70% improvement in patients with Seasonal Affected Disorder (SAD). Light treatment is the only know cure for the “Winter Blues.”
• Increased Sex Drive
When the chest and back are exposed to sunlight, the male sex hormones may increase by up to 120%.
Robbie and Isabel says:
• Reduced Fatigue
Various laboratory tests and on-site studies have shown that the UV-inclusive light helps workers reduce fatigue and accidents, and dramatically increases productivity. Normal fluorescent lighting actually increases fatigue and drains the body of energy and vitamin A.
• Reduced Stress
Exposure to sunlight decreases adrenaline and noradrenaline levels for an anti-stressing effect. It also releases endorphins for the feeling of “well-being.”
Robbie and Isabel says:
ok thats enough for now, I have hundreds of topic lines like that we are condensing into a simple article.
matt says:
"When the chest and back are exposed to sunlight, the male sex hormones may increase by up to 120%." <---- thats all u needed to say... im sold
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chap said:
How many days now bro?
Good morning wood?
That is a good thing.
I took a tan today
morning day 12
feel great, libido improved a bit last night, did 50mg clomid and 20 mg nolva yesterday and will again tonight
I've changed my dosing to only before bed now.
wish I had done this regimen years ago instead of all the time and headaches I wasted on trt
I think I will drop the clomid after day 14 and continue with the nolva
feel great, libido improved a bit last night, did 50mg clomid and 20 mg nolva yesterday and will again tonight
I've changed my dosing to only before bed now.
wish I had done this regimen years ago instead of all the time and headaches I wasted on trt
I think I will drop the clomid after day 14 and continue with the nolva
You take the nolva and clomid just before bed now?
If so this works better you think?
Better labido or what?
If so this works better you think?
Better labido or what?
liljunior
New Member
Nolva does make you drowsy
Dude,
Firstly keep these postings coming, and yeah I have a nap in an office while I'm at work cause it makes me feel like I'm going to fall over!
Anyway good to see this sort of stuff....keep it up..
Dude,
Firstly keep these postings coming, and yeah I have a nap in an office while I'm at work cause it makes me feel like I'm going to fall over!
Anyway good to see this sort of stuff....keep it up..
end of day 12
got back from working out, actually went heavy today because I feel strong and I was as strong as I was when I was on the trt doses for sure, so it makes me wonder if my natural test is now at a high level.... libido is still weak, but that might have something to do with being on clomid and nolva... but I feel really great, mood good, feel really healthy, something I can't say I felt all the time when on trt... this is really working much better than I expected
got back from working out, actually went heavy today because I feel strong and I was as strong as I was when I was on the trt doses for sure, so it makes me wonder if my natural test is now at a high level.... libido is still weak, but that might have something to do with being on clomid and nolva... but I feel really great, mood good, feel really healthy, something I can't say I felt all the time when on trt... this is really working much better than I expected
