Dbol Does Not Build Contractile Tissue

[adrenalytic]

Anyone who says Dbol does not build muscle is an imbecile.

Solid argument bro.

 

[bananafeet]

Sorry to sideline the argument. But there is a theory that sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is a preceding step to myofibrilar hypertrophy.

So it may not be anabolic but sets the muscle up for anabolism. Like HGH does...
Edit:
Source:

Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy in Skeletal Muscle: A Scientific “Unicorn” or Resistance Training Adaptation? - PMC

Skeletal muscle fibers are multinucleated cells that contain mostly myofibrils suspended in an aqueous media termed the sarcoplasm. Select evidence suggests sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, or a disproportionate expansion of the sarcoplasm relative to ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[the_pope]

My first cycle was 500 mg test only, 12 weeks. My second cycle was 500 mg test 12 weeks and 50 mg dbol the last 6 weeks of the cycle. I can confirm that dbol added size, very noticeable. And I didn't lose anything after stopping it, only the normal water/glycogen stores.

I know this is anecdotal, but I thought someone might find it interesting. The article might be right, but there must be some other path that makes dbol grow muscle like a beast.

 

[adrenalytic]

The article might be right, but there must be some other path that makes dbol grow muscle like a beast.

The title is not "Dbol is useless for building muscle". As a cycle additive, it does seem to potentiate other anabolics but in a vacuum it does fuckall but give water gains. At least that is the gist of the study.

 

[the_pope]

The title is not "Dbol is useless for building muscle". As a cycle additive, it does seem to potentiate other anabolics but in a vacuum it does fuckall but give water gains. At least that is the gist of the study.

Yes, you're right. My use was as an additive. I've heard people used to do dbol only cycles back then, but I don't plan on running dbol solo (why would I) so I'm not willing to experiment with it.

Interesting study, I wonder if this is dbol specific or if there are other AAS that work similarly and are only good as additives to a cycle.

 

[adrenalytic]

Yes, you're right. My use was as an additive. I've heard people used to do dbol only cycles back then, but I don't plan on running dbol solo (why would I) so I'm not willing to experiment with it.

Interesting study, I wonder if this is dbol specific or if there are other AAS that work similarly and are only good as additives to a cycle.

They only tested dbol here so I dunno. 100 mg a day and no gains were sustained upon discontinuation.

 

[Mfras]

For me a 50mg dbol tab PWO gives temporary but very noticable strength increases- I don’t chase load PRs and stress tendons but almost every lift gets rep PRs on dbol. It’s just a temporary artifical strength though and I don’t keep any of it. Plus there’s the estrogenic effects and other possible sides that stop me from just eating one every day I want to work out hard.

I think that while anadrol or tren can remove some of the CNS safety barriers- pain signaling, and willingness to use raw muscle strength that might be beyond your body’s trained and trusted confidence in connective tissue under a load, that dbol actually uses cellular water leverage in addition to some of the same mechanisms- the strength is temporary but maybe more of a real mechanical advantage vs a mind over matter thing with adrol or tren.

Whatever the mechanism of strength increase- confidence and aggression mixed with removed subconscious fear of injury, or real but temporary biological upgrade, I think that anything that lets you work harder will help grow muscle in the increased recovery environment of a cycle, unless you rip a tendon off the bone or fuck your hormones and organs up.

So while being on orals for days and weeks isn’t really aligned with my goals, I totally understand the allure for powerlifters or for someone trying to milk the less productive last weeks of a cycle for lasting gains and it makes a lot of sense for some people willing to accept risks and manage sides.

I’m certainly not an expert but that’s how I look at orals after trying them to see if they’re for me or not. At this point they’re kinda ‘once in a while for funsies’ haha

 

[BendigoShafter]

Why don't more people inject dbol instead of taking it orally? That seems to be a safer option overall.

 

[wp_375]

What kind of moron takes one study and makes the idiotic conclusion that Dbol doesn't build contractile tissue? There's just as many that show it builds muscle just like every other AAS out there.

I guess aliens just transplanted all that mass on, I dunno, every silver era bodybuilder ever who did Dbol only and was massive.

 

[wp_375]

These guys would like to disagree

 

[adrenalytic]

These guys would like to disagree

Tell me you didn't read the study without telling me you didn't read the study.

 

[shredded.lyfe]

For me a 50mg dbol tab PWO gives temporary but very noticable strength increases- I don’t chase load PRs and stress tendons but almost every lift gets rep PRs on dbol. It’s just a temporary artifical strength though and I don’t keep any of it. Plus there’s the estrogenic effects and other possible sides that stop me from just eating one every day I want to work out hard.

I think that while anadrol or tren can remove some of the CNS safety barriers- pain signaling, and willingness to use raw muscle strength that might be beyond your body’s trained and trusted confidence in connective tissue under a load, that dbol actually uses cellular water leverage in addition to some of the same mechanisms- the strength is temporary but maybe more of a real mechanical advantage vs a mind over matter thing with adrol or tren.

Whatever the mechanism of strength increase- confidence and aggression mixed with removed subconscious fear of injury, or real but temporary biological upgrade, I think that anything that lets you work harder will help grow muscle in the increased recovery environment of a cycle, unless you rip a tendon off the bone or fuck your hormones and organs up.

So while being on orals for days and weeks isn’t really aligned with my goals, I totally understand the allure for powerlifters or for someone trying to milk the less productive last weeks of a cycle for lasting gains and it makes a lot of sense for some people willing to accept risks and manage sides.

I’m certainly not an expert but that’s how I look at orals after trying them to see if they’re for me or not. At this point they’re kinda ‘once in a while for funsies’ haha

This is how I've come to use orals so I'm excited to try dbol in the future.

It also gives me the flexibility to pick the oral for the day instead of committing to "the stack"

Of course some level of consistency matters but the flexibility is nice, especially if you're trying to figure out which one gives the most bite.

 

[wp_375]

Tell me you didn't read the study without telling me you didn't read the study.

I read it long before Big Paul did his video on it, courtesy of working a graveyard shift job for the last 6 years where I had plenty of downtime to browse PubMed. LOL.

It's one study from 45 years ago (on a whopping 7 whole people) where they used a methodology I've never seen in any other other study on AAS to draw their conclusions. Conclusions, I might add that literally no one else in the 100's of studies on Dbol including clinical trials for it to be approved came to. There's a zillion studies on Dbol out there and by and large they all show significant increases in LBM regardless of exercise or not. Obviously there is going to be some loss of water in the washout period but that is normal with nearly all AAS.

While it isn't advisable, there's way, way too many guys hella jacked beyond their genetic potential from Dbol only cycles in the silver and golden era to say something as foolish as "Dbol doesn't build contractile tissue"

 

[adrenalytic]

I read it long before Big Paul did his video on it, courtesy of working a graveyard shift job for the last 6 years where I had plenty of downtime to browse PubMed. LOL.

Apologies. I had assumed you didn't because of the guys you pictured, it is highly unlikely they only used dbol to build their physiques.

It's one study from 45 years ago

People still cite the Bhasin et al study from 1996 to bolster their arguments so I'm not sure why this is relevant.

where they used a methodology I've never seen in any other other study on AAS to draw their conclusions. Conclusions, I might add that literally no one else in the 100's of studies on Dbol including clinical trials for it to be approved came to.

Fair enough.

There's a zillion studies on Dbol out there and by and large they all show significant increases in LBM regardless of exercise or not.

do you have a specific one in mind I can look at?

way too many guys hella jacked beyond their genetic potential from Dbol only cycles in the silver and golden era to say something as foolish as "Dbol doesn't build contractile tissue"

For clarity sake, I did not make the claim. The study did. I have personally never used dbol as stated in the op so I don't have a leg to stand on such a bold claim.

 

[Dumbellsanonymous]

From my personal experience winstrol is highly anabolic dried me like sand but I couldn’t walk couldn’t climb the stairs forearm cramps it was a nightmare magnesium/ taurine did nothing
Never tried pairing it with Deca so that’s a question mark for me

Yeah I loved it my last cycle but realized at the end of 4 week had horrible golfers elbow and still dealing with it being 3 weeks off.