Diagnosed with IBD

[iris]

Just make sure you eat before drinking them, I was drinking them for breakfast before work low t couldn't get out of bed hahaha. 100% my fault when I think about it now lol.

Eat before....Hmmmm, sometimes...
What is it inside that stuff that gave you the ulcers?
Did they manifest as stomach pain and then you had imaging done?
I have a Monster thingy in my bag as we speak, lol.
And I am having a coffee.
= lunch, lol

 

[iris]

How your shits with no actual fibre? Genuine question

I have heard people saying this stuff about the carnivore diet, Jordan Peterson being one.
But I just cannot make sense of how taking fibre away would solve the issue.
Meat takes a long time to be digested.
How that would help with gastric issues, idk.
@FunkOdyssey

Often, they talk about grains/gluten being an issue creating inflammation.
Is that the rationale? And fruit and veg because they can ferment while being digested?

 

[trt20244]

Eat before....Hmmmm, sometimes...
What is it inside that stuff that gave you the ulcers?
Did they manifest as stomach pain and then you had imaging done?
I have a Monster thingy in my bag as we speak, lol.
And I am having a coffee.
= lunch, lol

I had diarrhea (was going like 6 times a day) bloating, stomach pain and Got a colonoscopy they seen ulcers, at that point they thought it was Crohn's.

After a biopsy of the inflammation and the fact that my symptoms finally got better when I seen them again 3 months later. They ruled out Crohn's and started asking what could have caused the ulcers and inflammation the only unhealthy habit I had at the time was lots of energy drinks, pre workout.

Also caffeine can cause leaking of stomach acid into the gut so I put 2 and 2 together. That's why I say eat before drinking caffeine. I'm not a doctor so can't 100percent say, but all my symptoms got better when I quit them..

Hadn't taking any ibuprofen in ages so wasn't anything like that. Quit them for 3 years now I don't have a problem drinking them.

 

[iris]

I had diarrhea (was going like 6 times a day) bloating, stomach pain and Got a colonoscopy they seen ulcers, at that point they thought it was Crohn's.

After a biopsy of the inflammation and the fact that my symptoms finally got better when I seen them again 3 months later. They ruled out Crohn's and started asking what could have caused the ulcers and inflammation the only unhealthy habit I had at the time was lots of energy drinks, pre workout.

Also caffeine can cause leaking of stomach acid into the gut so I put 2 and 2 together. That's why I say eat before drinking caffeine. I'm not a doctor so can't 100percent say, but all my symptoms got better when I quit them..

Hadn't taking any ibuprofen in ages so wasn't anything like that. Quit them for 3 years now I don't have a problem drinking them.

Thank you.
Caffeine on an empty stomach gives me reflux and i was told to get rid of it, 3 years ago. It got really bad.
Clearly, that has not happened. Learn from your mistakes, lol.

It's just that every powdered preworkout you buy also contains lots of it.
I only take that before cardio, but I will be making my own concoction using other stuff that is not caffeine.
I used to love the No Explode from years ago. I think they changed the formulation, so it's not as good.

The monster stuff I take before weight training, now.
I suppose I could avoid it.
I have read that actually avoiding coffee in the morning would be better and it is for the reasons you talk about (no food, creates irritation/inflammation).
But how the hell do you do that?
Decaf to fool yourself.

Glad to know you are better.
Are you taking any stims before you train now or not?
Even just psychologically it kind of helps.
If you are knackered, they are deffo useful.
But....

 

[Pulpfiction]

Have you tried probiotics? Just add a few capsules to a jar of filtered water, pink salt, sugar, and fruits, then let it ferment for a few weeks or months. You'll end up with an extremely concentrated probiotic drink that lasts forever (refill with water, sugar and salt every time you drink). Just take a sip with every meal—it should help a lot.

Good luck.

I have , pre and probiotics. I still have some that I cycle with like 6 months on 6 off. Reason being I feel like a lot of these supplements we take build up in our body so staying off a little while I feel helps with effectiveness

 

[Pulpfiction]

Usually with pre, I rarely drink it. Maybe like 4 times a month now if I really need a boost before I train. But always eat before, I feel like these Celsius drinks I have been drinking for years are playing an sig role in how fucked my guts are.

 

[trt20244]

Thank you.
Caffeine on an empty stomach gives me reflux and i was told to get rid of it, 3 years ago. It got really bad.
Clearly, that has not happened. Learn from your mistakes, lol.

It's just that every powdered preworkout you buy also contains lots of it.
I only take that before cardio, but I will be making my own concoction using other stuff that is not caffeine.
I used to love the No Explode from years ago. I think they changed the formulation, so it's not as good.

The monster stuff I take before weight training, now.
I suppose I could avoid it.
I have read that actually avoiding coffee in the morning would be better and it is for the reasons you talk about (no food, creates irritation/inflammation).
But how the hell do you do that?
Decaf to fool yourself.

Glad to know you are better.
Are you taking any stims before you train now or not?
Even just psychologically it kind of helps.
If you are knackered, they are deffo useful.
But....

Yeah it's probably better if you cut down, you 100% can still drink caffeine, but I think you're like me and find it hard to drink a small amount during the day. The acid reflux your having is definitely a sign to slow down on them.

I still drink caffeine in small doses like a half dose pre workout and sometimes drink a monster, just needed a break from it to heal but I generally drink a lot less caffeine now. So you can get away with some caffeine before your workout.


I also use Modafinil now have you tried that before?. Don't think it's a great substitute because it is a pharmaceutical but it gives me a boost on the days I take it.

Prepare for a crash if you do cut out all caffeine, and then an energy boost when you recover.
Hope you get your reflux under control.

 

[laclark89]

Sweetheart, I got no problem with anything, especially anything to do with you little angel.

lol I really have zero shame around men, But your different.

Everyone thinks they have a real ibd untill they see a bowel movement like this.

What do you think? lol how bad is that compared to a strong day of a menstrual cycle?

 

[iris]

Everyone thinks they have a real ibd untill they see a bowel movement like this.
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What do you think? lol how bad is that compared to a strong day of a menstrual cycle?

Well, it looks like it, you are right.
I would have thought it was someone's period, deffo.
Still, I cannot not like your blood, lol.
Just because I know it's yours.

Could be good as Halloween party trick.

Seriously, though, how often do you get all this blood coming out?
Is there anything that you can do about it?

 

[iris]

Usually with pre, I rarely drink it. Maybe like 4 times a month now if I really need a boost before I train. But always eat before, I feel like these Celsius drinks I have been drinking for years are playing an sig role in how fucked my guts are.

Celsius, yeah, I have been having those too.
Tried all the flavours, just to be sure, lol.

That Symprove probiotic is supposed to be good, but very expensive.
Then, again, I am not sure who is placing the seal of approval.
You know when they conduct clinical studies, paid for by the company that makes something...
Not saying it's like that, because I am not sure, but one sees that happen.

 

[iris]

Yeah it's probably better if you cut down, you 100% can still drink caffeine, but I think you're like me and find it hard to drink a small amount during the day. The acid reflux your having is definitely a sign to slow down on them.

I still drink caffeine in small doses like a half dose pre workout and sometimes drink a monster, just needed a break from it to heal but I generally drink a lot less caffeine now. So you can get away with some caffeine before your workout.


I also use Modafinil now have you tried that before?. Don't think it's a great substitute because it is a pharmaceutical but it gives me a boost on the days I take it.

Prepare for a crash if you do cut out all caffeine, and then an energy boost when you recover.
Hope you get your reflux under control.

Thank you.
Yes, I should try to do a few days without.
You are right.
No, I have not tried Modafinil, but I see Ghoul talking about it, often.

My plan is to get some Dmaa and add a few bits, to make myself a preworkout.
No caffeine, but I hope it will work OK.
I have never tried it, so I am super looking forward to it.
I was told that the "crash" can hit hard.
We will see, can't wait.

 

[trt20244]

Thank you.
Yes, I should try to do a few days without.
You are right.
No, I have not tried Modafinil, but I see Ghoul talking about it, often.

My plan is to get some Dmaa and add a few bits, to make myself a preworkout.
No caffeine, but I hope it will work OK.
I have never tried it, so I am super looking forward to it.
I was told that the "crash" can hit hard.
We will see, can't wait.

Good luck hopefully it works good.

 

[Pulpfiction]

Everyone thinks they have a real ibd untill they see a bowel movement like this.
View attachment 298160
What do you think? lol how bad is that compared to a strong day of a menstrual cycle?

This is exactly what mine looked like

 

[laclark89]

Yeah it's probably better if you cut down, you 100% can still drink caffeine, but I think you're like me and find it hard to drink a small amount during the day. The acid reflux your having is definitely a sign to slow down on them.

I still drink caffeine in small doses like a half dose pre workout and sometimes drink a monster, just needed a break from it to heal but I generally drink a lot less caffeine now. So you can get away with some caffeine before your workout.


I also use Modafinil now have you tried that before?. Don't think it's a great substitute because it is a pharmaceutical but it gives me a boost on the days I take it.

Prepare for a crash if you do cut out all caffeine, and then an energy boost when you recover.
Hope you get your reflux under control.

Reflux is the last of my worries. It’s called Prilosec otc.

This is exactly what mine looked like

no good. I would get some blood work check your red and white blood cells thickness and feritin or iron also. And get some stool samples specifically cal protectin a inflammation marker for your intestines.

 

[UncleBuns]

Forgot a couple things. The person I know with IBD finds that taking high-end turmeric with black pepper, inulin, and CBD with a little THC helps them. They take these daily.

Have you tried BPC 157? I'm not sure about studies on it, but I've read many reports of BPC helping with intestine issues. From what I've seen injecting that Sub-Q is the best way to go and works better than oral.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

How your shits with no actual fibre? Genuine question

It's pretty normal, there's just less volume.

 

[Pulpfiction]

Reflux is the last of my worries. It’s called Prilosec otc.

no good. I would get some blood work check your red and white blood cells thickness and feritin or iron also. And get some stool samples specifically cal protectin an inflammation marker for your intestines.

Already got it done . Everything is fine except iron, I have to get an iron fusion if it doesn’t come back up normally. I thought it was the hemroids but it’s the Inflammatory bowel causing it. So next is another colonoscopy in 6 months and also stool sample tests

 

[Pulpfiction]

Forgot a couple things. The person I know with IBD finds that taking high-end turmeric with black pepper, inulin, and CBD with a little THC helps them. They take these daily.

Have you tried BPC 157? I'm not sure about studies on it, but I've read many reports of BPC helping with intestine issues. From what I've seen injecting that Sub-Q is the best way to go and works better than oral.

I’ve taken it orally but not the arginine version mentioned earlier. Bpc I heard works best at area of issue so I’m wondering with subq would inject in stomach fat areas? The doctors actually wrote me a bunch of medication that I’m going to try first and go from there

 

[UncleBuns]

I’ve taken it orally but not the arginine version mentioned earlier. Bpc I heard works best at area of issue so I’m wondering with subq would inject in stomach fat areas? The doctors actually wrote me a bunch of medication that I’m going to try first and go from there

There are varied opinions but I'm a firm believer that BPC is best done as a sub-q in any fatty tissue as its affects are systemic and that localized injection is just extra work but won't really matter.

Smart move to start with the initial meds before adding too many things in.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

But I just cannot make sense of how taking fibre away would solve the issue.

The relationship between fiber and digestive health is complicated, and fiber is by no means beneficial for everyone.

In my opinion, what primarily determines whether various indigestible carbohydrates (including fiber) will be beneficial or harmful is your microbiome. If you have a healthy microbiome composed of predominantly benevolent species, supporting their growth by feeding them with indigestible carbs is more likely to be a net positive. On the other hand, if your microbiome was carpet-bombed with 1000 rounds of antibiotic as a child by well-meaning but ignorant parents and doctors (describing myself here), you've got bacteria that look like this:



In that case, the best thing you can do is starve them into submission, because supporting their growth only leads to inflammation and illness.

Removing fiber from the diet improves constipation:

Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms - PMC

AIM: To investigate the effect of reducing dietary fiber on patients with idiopathic constipation. METHODS: Sixty-three cases of idiopathic constipation presenting between May 2008 and May 2010 were enrolled into the study after colonoscopy excluded ...

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Fiber can cause inflammation in people with IBD:

Unfermented β-fructan Fibers Fuel Inflammation in Select Inflammatory Bowel Disease Patients - PubMed

Although fibers are typically beneficial in individuals with normal microbial fermentative potential, some dietary fibers have detrimental effects in select patients with active IBD who lack fermentative microbe activities. The study is publicly accessible at the U.S. National Institutes of...

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The low FODMAP (Fermentable Oligosaccharides, Disaccharides, Monosaccharides, And Polyols) diet is a first line therapy for management of IBS with a ton of evidence supporting its efficacy. Here's an example meta-analysis:

A Low-FODMAP Diet Improves the Global Symptoms and Bowel Habits of Adult IBS Patients: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis - PubMed

<span><b>Background:</b> A low-fermentable oligo-, di-, monosaccharides, and polyols (FODMAP) diet has been reported to be associated with improving the symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS); however, its efficacy as evaluated by different studies remains controversial. <b>Objective:</b> A...

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Low FODMAP may also reduce fibromyalgia symptoms:

An anti-inflammatory and low fermentable oligo, di, and monosaccharides and polyols diet improved patient reported outcomes in fibromyalgia: A randomized controlled trial - PMC

Fibromyalgia (FM) has been associated with dysbiosis and low-grade inflammation. Studies have reported that diet influences clinical features in FM. To evaluate the effect of an anti-inflammatory and low fermentable oligo, di, and monosaccharides ...

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Restricting starch and sugar can be equally beneficial as the low FODMAP diet (some starch and sugar will escape digestion and feed the microbiome as well):

A Starch- and Sucrose-Reduced Diet Has Similar Efficiency as Low FODMAP in IBS-A Randomized Non-Inferiority Study - PubMed

A diet with low content of fermentable oligo-, di-, and monosaccharides and polyols (FODMAP) is established treatment for irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), with well-documented efficiency. A starch- and sucrose-reduced diet (SSRD) has shown similar promising effects. The primary aim of this...

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Meat takes a long time to be digested.
How that would help with gastric issues, idk.

Meat is nearly 100% digestible and leaves little/no residue. If you were to try a carnivore style diet for a short while, you would observe that it is the plant-based components of the diet that interfere with the digestive process. They contain enzyme inhibitors to prevent your digestive enzymes from breaking down food, phytic acid to prevent mineral absorption, and fiber to physically block nutrient absorption and food/enzyme interaction.

The experience of eating meat alone includes a complete lack of gas, bloating, burping, farting - these are all symptoms of excessive fermentation and indigestion caused by plant material.

Restriction of carbohydrates improves GERD symptoms:

The Effects of Modifying Amount and Type of Dietary Carbohydrate on Esophageal Acid Exposure Time and Esophageal Reflux Symptoms: A Randomized Controlled Trial - PubMed

A modification of dietary carbohydrate intake that targeted a substantial reduction in the intakes of simple sugars improved pH monitoring outcomes and symptoms of GERD that profoundly affect daily life. These findings provide a feasible and clinically applicable contribution to the limited...

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A very low-carbohydrate diet improves gastroesophageal reflux and its symptoms - PubMed

Obese patients with gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) may experience resolution of symptoms utilizing a very low-carbohydrate diet. The mechanism of this improvement is unknown. This studied aimed to prospectively assess changes in distal esophageal acid exposure and GERD symptoms among...

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Often, they talk about grains/gluten being an issue creating inflammation.
Is that the rationale?

That's another aspect, yes: inflammation caused directly by plant defense chemicals and inflammatory proteins. Here's a good overview of the many ways plants you eat are trying to kill you:

Naturally Occurring Plant Food Toxicants and the Role of Food Processing Methods in Their Detoxification - PMC

Some plant foods evolve defense mechanisms to protect themselves from predators by producing inherent chemicals as secondary metabolites such as cyanogenic glycosides, glycoalkaloids, glucosinolates, pyrrolizidine alkaloids, and lectins. These ...

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