Diet, Exercise, Gear, Supplements Benefits Pyramid - What matter most?

[dacman24]

So I've exhausted alot of effort in researching things I want to engage in in order to improve myself. But with that comes time, effort, money and knowledge. I jumped into this kinda differently than most in that I was prescribed TRT. 200mg a week I think was my dose. I now know that's probably on the high end. Either way I noticed a rejuvenated energy and excitement for me wanting to work out after a month or so. Fast forward 4 months and I'm fully involved and loving life. I also have a desire to keep improving. I started looking at and dabbling in peptides. However, before I get too far along my path and too far invested in spending money I wonder just what am I getting with my investments in certain things. I figured others wonder as well. I think it would be helpful to have a discussion on the benefits and order of importance when embarking on a "bodybuilding" or wellness journey. Think of a pyramid with the base being the most important. I would imagine that the order of importance would be:

1-Diet
2-Exercise
3-Rest/Recovery
4-Gear/Peptides
5-Supplements

Displayed as a pyramid:

5
44
333
2222
11111(1A)

and 1A would be Genetics (luck) for competition purposes.

How would you guys rearrange this pyramid or possible allocate these components?
Also put simply if I'm not trying to compete and genuinely looking to make a large improvement for the most part but money is a factor do peptides matter that much? Asked another way would a person ever take a HGH peptide if they are on Test? what's the benefit gonna be compared to only taking a peptide?

Also I realize with Diet there's a discussion of methods (i.e. protein counts, macros, protein quality) and within Exercise there's discussion (bro splits, push/pull/legs, etc...)

Just looking for some dialogue into what people think is the most important and maybe the ranking of each out of say 100. So for me it would be Diet, Exercise, Rest is 95 and everything else is 5. Or is that Gear component actually a bigger factor than a 5?

Thanks and sorry for the lengthy post.

 

[scarface53]

So I've exhausted alot of effort in researching things I want to engage in in order to improve myself. But with that comes time, effort, money and knowledge. I jumped into this kinda differently than most in that I was prescribed TRT. 200mg a week I think was my dose. I now know that's probably on the high end. Either way I noticed a rejuvenated energy and excitement for me wanting to work out after a month or so. Fast forward 4 months and I'm fully involved and loving life. I also have a desire to keep improving. I started looking at and dabbling in peptides. However, before I get too far along my path and too far invested in spending money I wonder just what am I getting with my investments in certain things. I figured others wonder as well. I think it would be helpful to have a discussion on the benefits and order of importance when embarking on a "bodybuilding" or wellness journey. Think of a pyramid with the base being the most important. I would imagine that the order of importance would be:

1-Diet
2-Exercise
3-Rest/Recovery
4-Gear/Peptides
5-Supplements

Displayed as a pyramid:

5
44
333
2222
11111(1A)

and 1A would be Genetics (luck) for competition purposes.

How would you guys rearrange this pyramid or possible allocate these components?
Also put simply if I'm not trying to compete and genuinely looking to make a large improvement for the most part but money is a factor do peptides matter that much? Asked another way would a person ever take a HGH peptide if they are on Test? what's the benefit gonna be compared to only taking a peptide?

Also I realize with Diet there's a discussion of methods (i.e. protein counts, macros, protein quality) and within Exercise there's discussion (bro splits, push/pull/legs, etc...)

Just looking for some dialogue into what people think is the most important and maybe the ranking of each out of say 100. So for me it would be Diet, Exercise, Rest is 95 and everything else is 5. Or is that Gear component actually a bigger factor than a 5?

Thanks and sorry for the lengthy post.

For me I'll summarize it on a scall of 100%:

Point Allocation:​

• Diet: 40
• Exercise: 35
• Rest/Recovery: 20
• Gear/Peptides: 3
• Supplements: 2

In this allocation, Diet, Exercise, and Rest/Recovery take up 95% of the importance. Gear/Peptides and Supplements make up the remaining 5%. The lower allocation for Gear/Peptides reflects both its risk and its non-essential nature for most people.

 

[OmL]

What’s happening in here?

Lift heavy shit, eat loads of food, inject testosterone. Fuck someone every now and then.

 

[dacman24]

What’s happening in here?

Lift heavy shit, eat loads of food, inject testosterone. Fuck someone every now and then.

That adds absolutely no benefit for someone looking for some answers. I get it dude. You got life figured out and lifting is everything. Others are on a budget and wanting to do make some sort of a educated decision. This is a forum for people looking for answers hence my post. Did you really add any measurable benefit to my post? I mean I guess so in your eyes but I was kinda looking for a breakdown of what matters most for some. Thanks I guess.

 

[dacman24]

For me I'll summarize it on a scall of 100%:

Point Allocation:​

• Diet: 40
• Exercise: 35
• Rest/Recovery: 20
• Gear/Peptides: 3
• Supplements: 2

In this allocation, Diet, Exercise, and Rest/Recovery take up 95% of the importance. Gear/Peptides and Supplements make up the remaining 5%. The lower allocation for Gear/Peptides reflects both its risk and its non-essential nature for most people.

Much appreciate the response. Exactly the answer I was looking for.

 

[buzzingonaas]

Giving gear a 3 when rest/recovery gets a 20 is just a little insane in my opinion. Yes rest over gear in theory, but in reality you will build more muscle in a calorie surplus while getting terrible sleep on lots of gear, than you ever will on no gear but 9 hours of sleep. Yes I understand you placed it low due to risk/reward but let’s be real nobody is every making it to 260 semi lean by sleeping for 9 hours, eating a lot, and taking their vitamins. It takes some gear to get there and the part that steroids play is a good amount. And that’s coming from someone who stresses using the least amount necessary

 

[scarface53]

Giving gear a 3 when rest/recovery gets a 20 is just a little insane in my opinion. Yes rest over gear in theory, but in reality you will build more muscle in a calorie surplus while getting terrible sleep on lots of gear, than you ever will on no gear but 9 hours of sleep. Yes I understand you placed it low due to risk/reward but let’s be real nobody is every making it to 260 semi lean by sleeping for 9 hours, eating a lot, and taking their vitamins. It takes some gear to get there and the part that steroids play is a good amount. And that’s coming from someone who stresses using the least amount necessary

So how would you rate it?

 

[hp15]

I hate ranking stuff like this (or I’m just being lazy), but I will say diet is #1 because generally you can’t get ripped if you always eat in a surplus and you can’t make gains if you don’t eat enough.

Diet/exercise/rest are the top 3 - if you remove supps and AAS, you can still make gains (for example: natural lifters).

I wouldn’t overcomplicate it with mental masturbation, just do everything within your power to make gains as best you can.

 

[Avarice911]

Diet is your main driver.
Gear is going to get you there faster.
Exercise with high intensity is like your navigation.

 

[dacman24]

on a total up to 10 and assuming diet, exercise and rest are done properly how would you rank gear for gains compared to peptides/supplements? Gear 9 Peps a 1 to equal that 10? or a 5 & 5 which i doubt anyone will say.

 

[Avarice911]

on a total up to 10 and assuming diet, exercise and rest are done properly how would you rank gear for gains compared to peptides/supplements? Gear 9 Peps a 1 to equal that 10? or a 5 & 5 which i doubt anyone will say.

You pretty much had it right. Of the PEDs, anabolics are prob 80-90% and the peptides and other things are 10-20%

 

[phenominal34]

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That adds absolutely no benefit for someone looking for some answers. I get it dude. You got life figured out and lifting is everything. Others are on a budget and wanting to do make some sort of a educated decision. This is a forum for people looking for answers hence my post. Did you really add any measurable benefit to my post? I mean I guess so in your eyes but I was kinda looking for a breakdown of what matters most for some. Thanks I guess.

Take your thong outta your ass Sally !! Better get used to some of those answers.

You want knowledge of what’s important, go do your own research. It’s all out there to be acquired.

 

[jJjburton]

If you exercise, and with that same routine add gear, you will grow that much more…

If you use gear and eat, not exercise, you wont.

So basically peptides are worthless…Sleep doesnt matter apparently…when using stupid high amounts of gear.

So top 5
Exercise
Food
Gear
Sleep
Peptide dont do anything special

 

[Avarice911]

Just remember-

Food
Sleep
Gear

Take out gear, you can still make gains. Remove one of the other two and you'll be going nowhere.

 

[jJjburton]

Just remember-

Food
Sleep
Gear

Take out gear, you can still make gains. Remove one of the other two and you'll be going nowhere.

But your guy has no exercise? So he just pins to eat?

 

[Avarice911]

But your guy has no exercise? So he just pins to eat?

Lmao he presumably would exercise to get something out of any of those things

 

[Tap in]

Just so its clear by diet peeps mean just surplus calories and protein right?

 

[Avarice911]

Just so its clear by diet peeps mean just surplus calories and protein right?

Diet to achieve whatever your goal is. Deficit to lose, maintenance to maintain, or surplus to gain. With an approach that adequately covers micronutrients

 

[jJjburton]

Just so its clear by diet peeps mean just surplus calories and protein right?

I took it as, eating for bodybuilding type goals/gaining muscle

 

[blinz77]

i think we're mostly in agreement that diet is number one. can't build the house if you don't have the bricks. after that, i think it's kinda murky because drugs are important and i think they allow a lot more leeway to do stupid shit and get away with it. poll 1000 pros and you'll get just as many different modalities of training. after food, i don't know if you can really rank the other options as they all kinda feed into one another. this is a tough one