Difference between GSO and MCT Test E 250mg Labmax

[jonsal]

Ok so I did the lab max with straight mct, zero glow. Threw 1 drop of test p in, and noticeable glow. So that would be 50mg strength. Gso would most def show absolutely zero glow at this mg level. Unfortunately I had a camera malfunction and didn't get the whole thing on camera. I will post what I got tomorrow.

 

[I_know_nothing]

With this new development the usefulness of the Labmax test has just been significantly reduced. As @brutus79 pointed out, every UGL on the planet is switching to MCT oil as we write here.

i wouldn't say reduced. i would actually say the opposite. before we had brothers trying to deduce the concentration from labmax alone, which we now know if affected by at least one other factor (carrier oil). if all labs switched over to MCT, we would hopefully see clearer passes vs fails. right now there are some labmaxes that are a tough call- this actually makes the labmax judgement calls easier if MCT is used.

labmax results were never suppose to indicate purity, this just further justifies that. i think this is a step in the right direction. thanks again brother @jonsal

 

[flenser]

@jonsal Do you know the purity of the raws you used?

 

[flenser]

That's why..
I said it before and I'll say it again

Stick your labmax up your ass lol

You don't need a labmax to tell my Test E was strong.. I have results
and people asking for more more more..

I don't need a labmax to tell me my
9" erection most of the day, is from my golden Tren..

OK, I am just talking shit again.. like always

M

The trouble is the size of your erection won't tell you whether you just pinned mast p or tren a (thanks Astro), or primo or test p, or less importantly a mix of two testosterone esters. We've had so much questionable test-e lately everyone has become fixated on using it to determine strength. And yea, I'm guilty too as you know.

I still want to see a comparison with other hormones. Test e is known to change color with strength - and now with the carrier oil. We don't know if that will happen with other hormones and MCT.

 

[Mr. Deltoid]

So isnt this really a good/bad thing? Every lab is gonna pass with flying colors now. Does underdosed test in that oil have the same prominent glow? Definitely let labmax know about this.

Underdosed test with mct glows just like Jonsals pics I had some genza test c. from naps that was severely underdosed and it had the same strong glow.

 

[BIGMESC]

Labmax originally stated that the test was for presence of steroids only and that BA BB and carrier oil had no reaction.

Later when they noticed that a stronger sample gave a stronger and longer lasting reaction, they posted the now famous underdosed vs pharm grade video.
We now know that this was pseudoscience at its finest.

Why? because it only works with certain carrier oils not all.
This means there is something other than dosage that is a factor in the reaction strength and length.

While carrier oil by itself has no reaction it does effect its quality.

I like MCT oil because it gives a very positive-negative test for presence of hormone.
We should take if for that alone, and use blood work to determine dosage.

 

[Hunter44]

Good to see this. I have not done anything with lab max myself, but a couple guys at he gym where running into issues testing known good gear and getting different results. Trashed their kits and said screw it. Seeing this it was probably the carrier oil.

 

[jonsal]

@jonsal Do you know the purity of the raws you used?

Unfortunately not. But given the labmax, its gotta be pharma quality! Lol

 

[flenser]

Unfortunately not. But given the labmax, its gotta be pharma quality! Lol

I was wondering if the ~0.3mg detection threshold still applied, or if it took much less.

 

[DirtyRandy]

Thanks for the replys to my question. Is it definitely easy to believe that higher dosage means a stronger glow due to a higher presence, but apparently that is not the case.

 

[jonsal]

Thanks for the replys to my question. Is it definitely easy to believe that higher dosage means a stronger glow due to a higher presence, but apparently that is not the case.

To some extent, it is true. I labmax'd some prop last night in MCT oil, 50mg. And the glow was not as strong as 250mg test e.

But the point here for me was, with GSO, you would never ever see 50mg test show up on labmax.

 

[I_know_nothing]

To some extent, it is true. I labmax'd some prop last night in MCT oil, 50mg. And the glow was not as strong as 250mg test e.

But the point here for me was, with GSO, you would never ever see 50mg test show up on labmax.

but maybe test p doesnt glow as strong as test E? the best comparison would be 50mg prop vs 100mg prop.

let's work on a list of potential experiments we want to do. i would like a more concrete idea of what experiments we want to do before i go out and buy some stuff. i only have test E powder right now :/

 

[mercury]

The problem might be like with sun glasses some absorb better UV light some less.

It might be the case with GSO, it might be simply blocking UV light.

This is what I found in google

Sesame oil, on an average, has absorption of about 45% in the UV-B, I could not find info on GSO

If you use some shitty UV light from ebay or walmart, which is not 365 nm, this will affect the results too.

 

[jonsal]

For the record, I am using the light provided by labmax.

 

[MANWHORE]

Labmax my gear, for me

 

[flenser]

The problem might be like with sun glasses some absorb better UV light some less.

It might be the case with GSO, it might be simply blocking UV light.

This is what I found in google

Sesame oil, on an average, has absorption of about 45% in the UV-B, I could not find info on GSO

If you use some shitty UV light from ebay or walmart, which is not 365 nm, this will affect the results too.

Hmm, at 365nm sesame seed oil absorbance is around 70% and grape seed oil 100%. Haven't found MCT oil yet.

PDF here

 

[jymis]

With this new development the usefulness of the Labmax test has just been significantly reduced. As @brutus79 pointed out, every UGL on the planet is switching to MCT oil as we write here.

I don't think it reduces the validity of this test. It probably makes it easier for the pass fail to be judged. Also people will stop saying whether or not the gear is underdosed or not since we never should have been doing this anyways.

I like MCT oil because it gives a very positive-negative test for presence of hormone.
We should take if for that alone, and use blood work to determine dosage.

I agree it seems to take the guess work out of the pass or fail.

Hmm, at 365nm sesame seed oil absorbance is around 70% and grape seed oil 100%. Haven't found MCT oil yet.

PDF here

Now when it says 100% for GSO that sounds to me like if it were used we wouldn't get any reaction because its all being absorbed? Maybe thats why so many LM's seem like there is barely any hormone in them regardless of actual purity.

 

[msmith22]

Jonsal, great find

 

[flenser]

I don't think it reduces the validity of this test. It probably makes it easier for the pass fail to be judged. Also people will stop saying whether or not the gear is underdosed or not since we never should have been doing this anyways.



I agree it seems to take the guess work out of the pass or fail.



Now when it says 100% for GSO that sounds to me like if it were used we wouldn't get any reaction because its all being absorbed? Maybe thats why so many LM's seem like there is barely any hormone in them regardless of actual purity.

Yes, we should do some comparisons between GSO and SSO. If we are going with pass/fail it doesn't matter all that much, but it would be nice to know.

 

[Kinikuman]

i wouldn't say reduced. i would actually say the opposite. before we had brothers trying to deduce the concentration from labmax alone, which we now know if affected by at least one other factor (carrier oil). if all labs switched over to MCT, we would hopefully see clearer passes vs fails. right now there are some labmaxes that are a tough call- this actually makes the labmax judgement calls easier if MCT is used.

labmax results were never suppose to indicate purity, this just further justifies that. i think this is a step in the right direction. thanks again brother @jonsal

I say reduced because of the exact reason you state above - brothers weren't trying to deduce potency, they were defining potency on the basis of this reagent test. Lot's of comments about how strong the Test in the vial "looks" and so on . How many guys ran out and bought mutiple jugs of XYZ UGLs severely underdosed product based on such commentary? More than we would care to count. So, if the Labmax test is useless to us to determine potency, then yes, it has been reduced in its usefulness, compared to how it was being used.