Difference between GSO and MCT Test E 250mg Labmax

[Kinikuman]

I don't think it reduces the validity of this test. It probably makes it easier for the pass fail to be judged. Also people will stop saying whether or not the gear is underdosed or not since we never should have been doing this anyways.

I agree it seems to take the guess work out of the pass or fail.

Now when it says 100% for GSO that sounds to me like if it were used we wouldn't get any reaction because its all being absorbed? Maybe thats why so many LM's seem like there is barely any hormone in them regardless of actual purity.

Again, right here the comment being made about the quantitative analytical capabilities of labmax - the inference that the test can somehow determine hormone concentration. Immediately after saying it is now understood that it cannot do so. It cannot, yet the possibility that it could has been repeated so often and with such aplomb on this board that the myth has become ingrained in us all as virtual fact...

 

[jymis]

I think I worded that wrong. Wasn't meaning to imply that the lack of extreme fluorescence meant low purity but just oil possibly could hindering it by absorbing the light. Which then made people think it is under dosed when truly there is no way to tell its just a pass and more testing is needed.

 

[I_know_nothing]

I say reduced because of the exact reason you state above - brothers weren't trying to deduce potency, they were defining potency on the basis of this reagent test. Lot's of comments about how strong the Test in the vial "looks" and so on . How many guys ran out and bought mutiple jugs of XYZ UGLs severely underdosed product based on such commentary? More than we would care to count. So, if the Labmax test is useless to us to determine potency, then yes, it has been reduced in its usefulness, compared to how it was being used.

i see what you're saying brother. i guess maybe a better way to phrase what i said:

con: brothers may have falsely bought underdosed gear or gear that was not as good as the "test said"

pro: we now know this information and we can prevent the above from happening.

 

[mercury]

there used to be labmax video on their site of test enan, when they use one drop and a few more, they show that there is significant difference in glow. But I guess it must be the same oil to show the difference.

 

[ECB]

Jonsal, was the color of vial A slightly different as well? Hard to tell but looks like the GSO was more red/orange.

 

[jonsal]

there used to be labmax video on their site of test enan, when they use one drop and a few more, they show that there is significant difference in glow. But I guess it must be the same oil to show the difference.

There def is a difference in glow between low and high concentration. I put 1 drop of "400mg" test e, nothing, I put 3-4 and it had a decent glow.

 

[jonsal]

Jonsal, was the color of vial A slightly different as well? Hard to tell but looks like the GSO was more red/orange.

Yea it was different. Like olive green, not orange.

 

[flenser]

There def is a difference in glow between low and high concentration. I put 1 drop of "400mg" test e, nothing, I put 3-4 and it had a decent glow.

1 drop of 400mg t-e didn't give any glow? That's not good no mater what oil you used.

 

[DirtyRandy]

1 drop of 400mg t-e didn't give any glow? That's not good no mater what oil you used.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Especially since it only calls for one drop.

 

[flenser]

Yea. 1 drop is 0.05ml is 20mg of 400mg t-e. To get below the 0.3mg threshold, it would have to be 1.5% of the stated concentration or 6mg/ml.

 

[Kinikuman]

Yea. 1 drop is 0.05ml is 20mg of 400mg t-e. To get below the 0.3mg threshold, it would have to be 1.5% of the stated concentration or 6mg/ml.

Wow! Now that is some serious fraudulent labeling. Advertise @ 400mg/ml and actually contains 6mg/ml or less. The 400mg claim would have been a flag to me from the get-go.

@flenser , your post makes me think that although LM is no good for determining potency, it may have some use in determining weakness. In cases like this where 1 drop has no effect, if multiple drops do produce a change, you may be able to ballpark just how low the concentration is; thereby giving you a better idea of what kind of POS scammer you just got your gear from.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Wow! Now that is some serious fraudulent labeling. Advertise @ 400mg/ml and actually contains 6mg/ml or less. The 400mg claim would have been a flag to me from the get-go.

@flenser , your post makes me think that although LM is no good for determining potency, it may have some use in determining weakness. In cases like this where 1 drop has no effect, if multiple drops do produce a change, you may be able to ballpark just how low the concentration is; thereby giving you a better idea of what kind of POS scammer you just got your gear from.

i do not support this. we just agreed that we can't indicate purity from labmax and it's intent is not to test for purity. let's not try to extrapolate when it's clearly stated labmax is not for purity.

besides, we need more experiments and controls and comparisons rather than just the statement "1 drop of 400mg/ml does not have a glow"

labmax is for indication of presence of hormone only, do not try to make your own assumptions about anything beyond that. we already have had brothers potentially jipped by bunk gear or throw away perfectly good gear because of asssumptions we have made before. let's not repeat the past

 

[jonsal]

1 drop of 400mg t-e didn't give any glow? That's not good no mater what oil you used.

Was really weird actually. It glowed for a few second, hardly but it was there. Then the glow disappeared completely. Watch video to prove it. This was the turning point for me and labmax accuracy.

 

[jonsal]

Wow! Now that is some serious fraudulent labeling. Advertise @ 400mg/ml and actually contains 6mg/ml or less. The 400mg claim would have been a flag to me from the get-go.

@flenser , your post makes me think that although LM is no good for determining potency, it may have some use in determining weakness. In cases like this where 1 drop has no effect, if multiple drops do produce a change, you may be able to ballpark just how low the concentration is; thereby giving you a better idea of what kind of POS scammer you just got your gear from.

I brewed the this batch myself.

I will not be using labmax for purity ratings any longer. High or low. Never was intended to be used that way.

Especially now. What does interest me though is washing raws. seems like the only way to get some clean gear.

 

[mercury]

i do not support this. we just agreed that we can't indicate purity from labmax and it's intent is not to test for purity. let's not try to extrapolate when it's clearly stated labmax is not for purity.

besides, we need more experiments and controls and comparisons rather than just the statement "1 drop of 400mg/ml does not have a glow"

labmax is for indication of presence of hormone only, do not try to make your own assumptions about anything beyond that. we already have had brothers potentially jipped by bunk gear or throw away perfectly good gear because of asssumptions we have made before. let's not repeat the past

take for example deca

on labmax there info page only about deca, well documented.

"you can see change from mat green for oil to more intense green - blue for pure powder"

it will not give you detailed report like mass spec but at least some idea what you have

it makes sense if you have higher concentration of powder in oil then it has to give more intense glow.

 

[flenser]

Wow! Now that is some serious fraudulent labeling. Advertise @ 400mg/ml and actually contains 6mg/ml or less. The 400mg claim would have been a flag to me from the get-go.

@flenser , your post makes me think that although LM is no good for determining potency, it may have some use in determining weakness. In cases like this where 1 drop has no effect, if multiple drops do produce a change, you may be able to ballpark just how low the concentration is; thereby giving you a better idea of what kind of POS scammer you just got your gear from.

I would say anything that doesn't glow with one drop is bunk. A while back we discussed diluting samples to get small enough ratios to determine strength based on the 0.3mg detection threshold, but no one tried it that I know of. I bet that threshold number is an estimation anyway.

 

[I_know_nothing]

take for example deca

on labmax there info page only about deca, well documented.

"you can see change from mat green for oil to more intense green - blue for pure powder"

it will not give you detailed report like mass spec but at least some idea what you have

it makes sense if you have higher concentration of powder in oil then it has to give more intense glow.

ill do some tests then, give me some time and ill throw up pics. tired of people trying to deduce purity from labmax "oh that looks like about 70% purity". there is no basis without a standard. just like how you cant get purity without a standard with HPLC it's the same thing with labmaxes if you wanna do purity. use the same carrier oil, same BA/BB/EO and have well documented pictures and experiments of different purity levels glows.

 

[mercury]

ill do some tests then, give me some time and ill throw up pics. tired of people trying to deduce purity from labmax "oh that looks like about 70% purity".

you cannot give number but definitely there is difference with various samples, very low and high concentration.

I have noticed it with test enan and deca.

when you compare two anavar pills, you can see also the color difference.

it probably works for other gear too but I have not tested it

 

[I_know_nothing]

you cannot give number but definitely there is difference with various samples, very low and high concentration.

I have noticed it with test enan and deca.

when you compare two anavar pills, you can see also the color difference.

it probably works for other gear too but I have not tested it

that's just the very beginning though. at first you say A is better than B, then B is better than C, soon you have people saying A is about 50% better than be. look around, it's already happening. and it's because we allow subjective data to be turned into objective data

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

i do not support this. we just agreed that we can't indicate purity from labmax and it's intent is not to test for purity. let's not try to extrapolate when it's clearly stated labmax is not for purity.

besides, we need more experiments and controls and comparisons rather than just the statement "1 drop of 400mg/ml does not have a glow"

labmax is for indication of presence of hormone only, do not try to make your own assumptions about anything beyond that. we already have had brothers potentially jipped by bunk gear or throw away perfectly good gear because of asssumptions we have made before. let's not repeat the past

Shut the fuck up, nobody gives a shit what you "support" you self righteous prick..

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