DNP at low body fat percentage

[RzSco]

I just used DNP for 2 weeks to lose about 5kg and go from 15-16% to 10-12%. My attempts at bulking once again resulted in only fat gain despite my best efforts.

Problem is I still have a lot of fat on my belly and love handles such that my abs are only faintly visible when not flexing, but meanwhile I have veins all over my arms, delts and quads.

I'm not really sure how to proceed now.

1. Do another DNP 400mg for 2 weeks and expect my fat distribution to sort itself out on its own by going to 6-8% bf.

2. Do a low dose DNP (like 100-200mg) + Anavar cycle for 4-6 weeks and hope that the Anavar will target the fat around my waist selectively?

3. Just pay for 3D liposuction on the problem area since the rest of my body already looks pretty good?

 

[Rido]

Not use dnp and do a safer dieting protocol?

 

[RzSco]

Not use dnp and do a safer dieting protocol?

Dieting into single figure percentages tends to crush your metabolism, a shorter and sharper DNP cut might avoid that but I'd worry about muscle loss.

Honestly leaning toward the 3D lipo option so I can just stay at a healthy 10-12% instead of having to be at 5% because muh abs and bad storage genetics.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

You have no idea what you’re doing and/or have zero discipline and self control if dieting to reasonable body fat levels crushes your metabolism and immediately throws fat back on.

 

[Nilatac]

From those 3 options I would choose 1.
Add some T3 would be more efficient

 

[hudson98]

crazy

so my question, whatever you do to get lean, are you going to remain lean or bulk and get fat again>?

do you plan to use DNP to remain lean, or accept that you have to eat right? because you cant use DNP forever.

liposuction? LOL. at 12% you are expected to still have a good amount of fat on you. diet it off. until you lean discipline and what calorie intake correlates to what body fat percentage your just going to frustrate yourself.

 

[RzSco]

crazy

so my question, whatever you do to get lean, are you going to remain lean or bulk and get fat again>?

do you plan to use DNP to remain lean, or accept that you have to eat right? because you cant use DNP forever.

liposuction? LOL. at 12% you are expected to still have a good amount of fat on you. diet it off. until you lean discipline and what calorie intake correlates to what body fat percentage your just going to frustrate yourself.

I've dieted down without cutting drugs to where I had veiny 3D abs a couple times before but I always end up too small to be really aesthetic.

DNP was just a useful shortcut this time. I am sick and tired of this endless bulk/cut cycle where I always end up looking the same regardless of drugs, routine, or diet changes.

 

[Inspired]

I just used DNP for 2 weeks to lose about 5kg and go from 15-16% to 10-12%. My attempts at bulking once again resulted in only fat gain despite my best efforts.

Problem is I still have a lot of fat on my belly and love handles such that my abs are only faintly visible when not flexing, but meanwhile I have veins all over my arms, delts and quads.

I'm not really sure how to proceed now.

1. Do another DNP 400mg for 2 weeks and expect my fat distribution to sort itself out on its own by going to 6-8% bf.

2. Do a low dose DNP (like 100-200mg) + Anavar cycle for 4-6 weeks and hope that the Anavar will target the fat around my waist selectively?

3. Just pay for 3D liposuction on the problem area since the rest of my body already looks pretty good?

Can you show a photo of what problem you're talking about?

What are you eating on your bulk?

Maybe you're doing something wrong. Those lovehandle and stomach areas can be really difficult. It may make sense to get lipo, but you have to be aware that the results may look dimpled or uneven. But if it worked, you wouldn't have to cut anymore and it would make your life easier.


Without more information, I think maybe your skin hasn't had time to adjust to the fat loss. Your body wants homeostasis. Whenever you attempt to lose fat, the fat gets filled with fluids. And when you start eating again, the fat fills with fluids. You may have to stabilize longer. But you said you've done this before.

 

[hudson98]

I've dieted down without cutting drugs to where I had veiny 3D abs a couple times before but I always end up too small to be really aesthetic.

DNP was just a useful shortcut this time. I am sick and tired of this endless bulk/cut cycle where I always end up looking the same regardless of drugs, routine, or diet changes.

you realize the same thing I realized a while ago bulk and cut is idiotic

it works for guy with elite genetics or who are willing to use a boat load of drugs or dedicate their life to bodybuilding

for average genetics, guy who isn't obsess with muscle, staying lean is best. walk around 190lbs at 6 percent, who looks better than you? some 240lb distended gut guy? some 210lb guy at 15 percent? no

get to 7 then stay there, getting there is hard, staying there is a piece of cake

 

[Nilatac]

I've dieted down without cutting drugs to where I had veiny 3D abs a couple times before but I always end up too small to be really aesthetic.

DNP was just a useful shortcut this time. I am sick and tired of this endless bulk/cut cycle where I always end up looking the same regardless of drugs, routine, or diet changes.

Some quick tips without getting in details because I don't have time to write right now
1. Stay more on a "bulk" more(I don't like the terms bulk&cut but is something everyone gets). Like 3 years with a small surplus and high protein. At least 2-2,25 g/kg day in and day out. More will help but this is at least. In those 3 years you will be able to build 10-12-15 kg of muscle
depending on what level you are now and how hard you want to push the drugs
10-15 kg of muscle it will change your frame
2. Use more drugs. Don't know what and how much you used until now but as a rule a thumb more drugs helps you build muscle and burn fat indirect
3. Use hgh
4. Throw 2-3 small cardio sessions a week
In time(years and many) you will recomp and grow. Just do the same thing on and on and on
5. And if you are into health and all that forget the above and forget the steroids and cycle and everything. Eat your veggies and do the cardio.

 

[Jaxino]

I just used DNP for 2 weeks to lose about 5kg and go from 15-16% to 10-12%. My attempts at bulking once again resulted in only fat gain despite my best efforts.

Problem is I still have a lot of fat on my belly and love handles such that my abs are only faintly visible when not flexing, but meanwhile I have veins all over my arms, delts and quads.

I'm not really sure how to proceed now.

1. Do another DNP 400mg for 2 weeks and expect my fat distribution to sort itself out on its own by going to 6-8% bf.

2. Do a low dose DNP (like 100-200mg) + Anavar cycle for 4-6 weeks and hope that the Anavar will target the fat around my waist selectively?

3. Just pay for 3D liposuction on the problem area since the rest of my body already looks pretty good?

You need to learn discipline.
Your problem is that you can't have a proper diet.... It's not the drugs.

Mate even the most disciplined guys have issues loosing bf on DNP since this shit makes you so hungry and uncomfortable....

 

[TheRingloVale]

I really like DNP at a low dose. 200mg daily through the entire cut keeps things moving, but the sides are almost non existent. I get a very slight warmth after carbs, no cravings, not much lethargy, and sleep is just fine (just with fewer blankets). Gym performance isn't completely awful like it would be with a big dose. I'll never go back to the big 400+ doses. Easy and slow with a steady diet will work great. IMO, the faster you try to go the more you will lose muscle, DNP or not.

 

[AbstractMind]

OP you need to rethink your approach to this game.

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

Just pay for 3D liposuction on the problem area since the rest of my body already looks pretty good?

And the minute you go into another calorie surplus those remaining fat cells will grow and swell to roughly the same size they were prior to liposuction. But at least you’ll be spending a fortune to look the same a year later, so that’s good. The plastic surgeon who has a boat payment appreciates your approach.

 

[Evom1]

I've dieted down without cutting drugs to where I had veiny 3D abs a couple times before but I always end up too small to be really aesthetic.

DNP was just a useful shortcut this time. I am sick and tired of this endless bulk/cut cycle where I always end up looking the same regardless of drugs, routine, or diet changes.

You need to hire a legitimate knowledgeable coach

Follow what you're told, 100% with absolute discipline and you will achieve your goals and be much healthier and not be fucking around with dnp and having an endless cycle where yoh end up looking the same.

Any coach with a decent client resume would do you well.

 

[RzSco]

I'm actually getting a little happier with the results now, I think the water retention from DNP must do strange things.

Unfortunately if I cut to 6% I'm going to end up at about 175 lbs and at 6'2" it's not a good look.

And the minute you go into another calorie surplus those remaining fat cells will grow and swell to roughly the same size they were prior to liposuction. But at least you’ll be spending a fortune to look the same a year later, so that’s good. The plastic surgeon who has a boat payment appreciates your approach.

The point is lipo permanently removes fat cells while dieting just drains them evenly across your body, so you can change your fat distribution with lipo in a way that's not possible with diet.

 

[Nilatac]

I'm actually getting a little happier with the results now, I think the water retention from DNP must do strange things.

Unfortunately if I cut to 6% I'm going to end up at about 175 lbs and at 6'2" it's not a good look.



The point is lipo permanently removes fat cells while dieting just drains them evenly across your body, so you can change your fat distribution with lipo in a way that's not possible with diet.

Bro you don't have any muscle on you. What's wrong with you that you do what you do?
I don't know what your goals are but if you want a release from a concentration camp look you are on a good road

 

[RzSco]

Bro you don't have any muscle on you. What's wrong with you that you do what you do?
I don't know what your goals are but if you want a release from a concentration camp look you are on a good road

I used to be 130 lbs and probably at a higher body fat percentage too. 50+ lbs of muscle on top of that now. It's a little bit better than concentration camp level. Unfortunately the routines I used to get those 50 lbs just don't work any more.

I have seen guys build amazing physiques doing weird high volume routines like 10 x 10 for years, or your typical PPL, or low volume "rest-pause" work focusing on intensity. I've tried all these techniques and I just get fat. I've followed programs and simply not been able to keep up with the periodisation because my body won't adapt to the increased loads despite having a diet and steroid usage that should put it in a state to build muscle.

Trying to bulk again and again and failing to gain muscle every time is just letting perfect be the enemy of good and becoming so frustrating that I end up using things like DNP. Honestly just think it's time to stop with all that, cut down to shredded, and maintain at that.

 

[Nilatac]

I used to be 130 lbs and probably at a higher body fat percentage too. 50+ lbs of muscle on top of that now. It's a little bit better than concentration camp level. Unfortunately the routines I used to get those 50 lbs just don't work any more.

I have seen guys build amazing physiques doing weird high volume routines like 10 x 10 for years, or your typical PPL, or low volume "rest-pause" work focusing on intensity. I've tried all these techniques and I just get fat. I've followed programs and simply not been able to keep up with the periodisation because my body won't adapt to the increased loads despite having a diet and steroid usage that should put it in a state to build muscle.

Trying to bulk again and again and failing to gain muscle every time is just letting perfect be the enemy of good and becoming so frustrating that I end up using things like DNP. Honestly just think it's time to stop with all that, cut down to shredded, and maintain at that.

Give yourself at least 3 years to build muscle. Up the dosage and be in a small surplus and a high protein intake. If everything stall and you are in the same spot up the drugs again and your protein. Do this for 3 years and you will be in another place

Training wise keep it simple. Drugs and diet are more important than fancy training programs that are build to get money.
Is basic shit. Lift things up and put it down,consistency and not getting injured. Progressive overload

Those 3-6 months bulk don't work.
I also started at 170 lbs and now I sit at 290-300. It took me 10 years of high doses of steroids, train,get the food in and do that day in and out for 10 years.

Also insulin and gh was very helpful but is not necessary for you now. Just do the boring stuff for many years

 

[Evom1]

I've tried all these techniques and I just get fat.

This 100% tells me the following

No matter how intensely you think you train, you're not training with enough intensity

Your diet is not designed properly. Plain and simple

You're not focused enough on optimizing sleep and minimizing stress

Do not argue these things. Once you accept them and take serious action to correct them, you will see results.

Do yourself a favor, hire a coach. There's tons out there. Go on ig, find competitors who are good amateurs, check their posts and see who their coaches are. I don't care if you don't want to be a competitor, you don't have to be, but those coaches will know much better than you how to build muscle and mitigate fat accumulation.