DNP at low body fat percentage

[RzSco]

I just used DNP for 2 weeks to lose about 5kg and go from 15-16% to 10-12%. My attempts at bulking once again resulted in only fat gain despite my best efforts.

Problem is I still have a lot of fat on my belly and love handles such that my abs are only faintly visible when not flexing, but meanwhile I have veins all over my arms, delts and quads.

I'm not really sure how to proceed now.

1. Do another DNP 400mg for 2 weeks and expect my fat distribution to sort itself out on its own by going to 6-8% bf.

2. Do a low dose DNP (like 100-200mg) + Anavar cycle for 4-6 weeks and hope that the Anavar will target the fat around my waist selectively?

3. Just pay for 3D liposuction on the problem area since the rest of my body already looks pretty good?

 

[Nilatac]

This 100% tells me the following

No matter how intensely you think you train, you're not training with enough intensity

Your diet is not designed properly. Plain and simple

You're not focused enough on optimizing sleep and minimizing stress

Do not argue these things. Once you accept them and take serious action to correct them, you will see results.

Do yourself a favor, hire a coach. There's tons out there. Go on ig, find competitors who are good amateurs, check their posts and see who their coaches are. I don't care if you don't want to be a competitor, you don't have to be, but those coaches will know much better than you how to build muscle and mitigate fat accumulation.

Getting a good couch it will help him but finding a decent one that doesn't send you copy&paste programs and diet is more tricky.
I suggest him not to look on ig as there you find couches that don't care about you and want to take the money only but to find a guy locally. The trainer from your gym or a guy from your city that you know him and he knows you

 

[Evom1]

The trainer from your gym or a guy from your city that you know him and he knows you

Normally I would not recommend this, but this guy is at SUCH a basic starting point that yes, this could work.

However I'd rather see him do something like hire one of John Jewetts guys that coach under him or Dusty Hanshaw, or any well known quality coaches. Not a random guy with no client resume

 

[RzSco]

What's needed for muscle gain?
1. anabolic environment
2. mechanical tension / muscle damage

I feel like with 500mg of test, calorie surplus, protein 200-300g a day, and stress and sleep optimised as much as possible, the first one should be satisfied reasonably well for someone my size.

I think the comment about lack of intensity is probably it.

Any coach seeing my work capacity will be like "what the fuck" I think. My reps fall off a cliff from set to set, for example if in the first set I fail on the 12th, the second after 5 minutes I'll fail on the 7th and the third on the 5th rep. That's just not normal. A set of 5 or even 7 reps can't be worth much.

It feels intense for me and all those final reps are slow grindy struggles but realistically the second two sets are not intense at all for muscle tension purposes, right?

 

[Rido]

What's needed for muscle gain?
1. anabolic environment
2. mechanical tension / muscle damage

I feel like with 500mg of test, calorie surplus, protein 200-300g a day, and stress and sleep optimised as much as possible, the first one should be satisfied reasonably well for someone my size.

I think the comment about lack of intensity is probably it.

Any coach seeing my work capacity will be like "what the fuck" I think. My reps fall off a cliff from set to set, for example if in the first set I fail on the 12th, the second after 5 minutes I'll fail on the 7th and the third on the 5th rep. That's just not normal. A set of 5 or even 7 reps can't be worth much.

It feels intense for me and all those final reps are slow grindy struggles but realistically the second two sets are not intense at all for muscle tension purposes, right?

I think you need a personal trainer at the gym or something dude.

The amount of gear you run really doesnt match your size.
stuff like this thread is a reflection that you are putting too much weight on drugs and not enough on training/discipline .

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

The point is lipo permanently removes fat cells while dieting just drains them evenly across your body, so you can change your fat distribution with lipo in a way that's not possible with diet.

Right, but at some point if you decide to bulk again you’ll just expand the remaining fat cells in that target area. Unless your plan is to get lipo and then remain lean forever you’re likely to have trouble in those spots all over again. That’s a costly risk that I would have a hard time justifying.

 

[Nilatac]

What's needed for muscle gain?
1. anabolic environment
2. mechanical tension / muscle damage

I feel like with 500mg of test, calorie surplus, protein 200-300g a day, and stress and sleep optimised as much as possible, the first one should be satisfied reasonably well for someone my size.

I think the comment about lack of intensity is probably it.

Any coach seeing my work capacity will be like "what the fuck" I think. My reps fall off a cliff from set to set, for example if in the first set I fail on the 12th, the second after 5 minutes I'll fail on the 7th and the third on the 5th rep. That's just not normal. A set of 5 or even 7 reps can't be worth much.

It feels intense for me and all those final reps are slow grindy struggles but realistically the second two sets are not intense at all for muscle tension purposes, right?

1 you don't have to kill yourself in the gym to grow
2 take more drugs as times goes by
3 up the food as times goes by
4 give more time for fuck sake. To the same thing for YEARS day in and out
5 or pay a couch that will guide you. I told you the same things like 4 times and I don't see that you get something out of it. Me and others guys as well
Pay a dude that it will take you on the right way and that's it. Case close

People build muscle since they was prehistoric caveman. I bet that you can do the same thing after 10000 years with more knowledge on training,eating and drugs.
Is not a big deal to build muscle is just boring as it takes a long time of doing the same thing.
Just lift things heavier as times goes by, eat more as times goes by and pin more as times goes by. That's all you have to do and in years it will show the results.

 

[RzSco]

I tried taking more drugs (500mg test instead of 250mg) and more food (200-500 surplus, went from lean 82kg to not lean 90kg over about six months) and I didn't gain any more muscle. Tried a few routines during that time as my strength wasn't increasing.

What if I'm just one of the dots near the bottom on this scatter plot and you guys are the dots above the trend line? I didn't get into lifting because I liked it or was good at it, quite the opposite actually.

 

[Rido]

I tried taking more drugs (500mg test instead of 250mg) and more food (200-500 surplus, went from lean 82kg to not lean 90kg over about six months) and I didn't gain any more muscle. Tried a few routines during that time as my strength wasn't increasing.

What if I'm just one of the dots near the bottom on this scatter plot and you guys are the dots above the trend line? I didn't get into lifting because I liked it or was good at it, quite the opposite actually.

put the chart away.

you need a coach. we have told you this multiple times. the drugs work, you clearly have an issue.

there are genetic limitations yet but if you cant get bigger being 6'2 185 lbs utilizing AAS then you have a problem whether its health or your training.

Looking at your previous posts, all of us think it is you.

 

[Evom1]

Stop

You literally just need to be taught how to train properly. Stop with the random ass routines. Get a coach

And stooppppp with the drugs. You do NOT need to take shit being that little

 

[Nilatac]

I tried taking more drugs (500mg test instead of 250mg) and more food (200-500 surplus, went from lean 82kg to not lean 90kg over about six months) and I didn't gain any more muscle. Tried a few routines during that time as my strength wasn't increasing.

What if I'm just one of the dots near the bottom on this scatter plot and you guys are the dots above the trend line? I didn't get into lifting because I liked it or was good at it, quite the opposite actually.

Basically you shut yourself down to take a trt dose. Ok then...
Good luck! I'm out of this

 

[RzSco]

Basically you shut yourself down to take a trt dose. Ok then...
Good luck! I'm out of this

I had levels in the 200s natty, TRT was required anyway. I don't know man, you are saying I'm taking too few drugs, the guy above you says I'm taking too many!

Stop

You literally just need to be taught how to train properly. Stop with the random ass routines. Get a coach

And stooppppp with the drugs. You do NOT need to take shit being that little

I used to train following 5x5 program, made a lot of gains, eventually plateaued, switched to 531 BBB, made more gains, eventually plateaue'd. Fucked around with different routines a bit, nothing could break the plateau.

Started taking steroids and repeated the whole process. Now I'm on the fucking around stage again trying to find something that will work, but beginning to think that's it for what I can achieve.

 

[Nilatac]

I had levels in the 200s natty, TRT was required anyway. I don't know man, you are saying I'm taking too few drugs, the guy above you says I'm taking too many!



I used to train following 5x5 program, made a lot of gains, eventually plateaued, switched to 531 BBB, made more gains, eventually plateaue'd. Fucked around with different routines a bit, nothing could break the plateau.

Started taking steroids and repeated the whole process. Now I'm on the fucking around stage again trying to find something that will work, but beginning to think that's it for what I can achieve.

And on a natural level of testosterone (a bit higher) what you expect to build and how fast? That thing won't happen
On 500 mg of test how fast you expect to build muscle and how much? Not fast and not much
Use a total of 10-15/mg/kg and as you get heavy you up the dose to make to that mark. If you want to get bigger you must to up the total mg/kg and food again to 20-25 and so on and on and on. Is growing whatever you do if you want to grow bigger and bigger
For the moment 10-15mg/kg is enough for you. Later you need more...

And training wise. Don't need any fancy training programs.
Go there do 15-18 sets for bigger groups, 10-12 for smaller one and in a year time make sure you lift more than now. Progressive overload
I say training is the least important. Food and drugs are much more important.
Keep things simple. More than this I can't do

 

[RzSco]

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And training wise. Don't need any fancy training programs.
Go there do 15-18 sets for bigger groups, 10-12 for smaller one and in a year time make sure you lift more than now.

Per week, right?

10-15mg/kg will be 800-1200mg for me. I've never gone that high and most guys on here are saying I can get to like 220 lbs on a TRT dose.

But it's something I've not tried... so worth trying!

 

[Rido]

you ran a 16 week cycle and you had said you had 0 progress. you ran test and some powerful compounds. it should be easier to create gains off of that type of cycle.

its going back to diet and training

Bulk aftermath - complete failure!

Starting stats: Height 188cm Weight 82kg Waist 79cm Arms 36cm Peak weight stats (10 weeks in) Weight 92kg (steady 1kg per week) Waist 87cm Arms 36cm Stats after cutting (after 16 weeks) Weight 82kg Waist 81cm Arms 34cm First 8 weeks were 400 deca and 850 test, last 8 weeks were 500 test 400...

thinksteroids.com

 

[Nilatac]

Per week, right?

10-15mg/kg will be 800-1200mg for me. I've never gone that high and most guys on here are saying I can get to like 220 lbs on a TRT dose.

But it's something I've not tried... so worth trying!

Yes/week.
Not everyone is the same. Don't know how many and what body composition was that 225 and in how much time they got to that.
Not everyone is the same,not everyone responds to drugs the same.
Ronnie Coleman got to the Olympia stange natural then everyone should be able to do that? Not gonna to happen that

 

[Nilatac]

you ran a 16 week cycle and you had said you had 0 progress. you ran test and some powerful compounds. it should be easier to create gains off of that type of cycle.

its going back to diet and training

Bulk aftermath - complete failure!

Starting stats: Height 188cm Weight 82kg Waist 79cm Arms 36cm Peak weight stats (10 weeks in) Weight 92kg (steady 1kg per week) Waist 87cm Arms 36cm Stats after cutting (after 16 weeks) Weight 82kg Waist 81cm Arms 34cm First 8 weeks were 400 deca and 850 test, last 8 weeks were 500 test 400...

thinksteroids.com

I wouldn't label 500 mg test powerful compounds
Guy probably was cutting on nothing and lost whatever he gain. In 4 months you don't build much muscle on 500 test anyway

 

[Inspired]

Were you overweight as a kid? You don't have to be overweight as a kid to develop extra stubborn fat, but usually the amount of fat cells is not fixed but flexible and not determined until the ages of maybe 2-5-7 years old. There is debate. Some people think fat cells number is determined by early puberty.

You may have some stubborn fat pockets as a result of your childhood development. That's why it is important to keep your kids lean because they will develop more fat cells if they have a certain amount of fat at a certain age, and those are life long fat cells. If you think this applies to you, get lipo.

 

[Rido]

I wouldn't label 500 mg test powerful compounds
Guy probably was cutting on nothing and lost whatever he gain. In 4 months you don't build much muscle on 500 test anyway

sorry, 850 test, 450 deca, then 500 test and 400 tren.

Those high numbers for someone at his weight/height.

he should still be able to maintain that size at a TRT dose. shit, even 200 cruise should allow him to retain it unless he isnt lifting properly or at all.

 

[Nilatac]

sorry, 850 test, 450 deca, then 500 test and 400 tren.

Those high numbers for someone at his weight/height.

he should still be able to maintain that size at a TRT dose. shit, even 200 cruise should allow him to retain it unless he isnt lifting properly or at all.

Guy said that he never went above 800-1200 mg/week but I opened that topic and read the first post and then I don't know what to understand

@RzSco man save some money,get a couch even if is for 3 months and learn some things from him

 

[malin7]

Bro you don't have any muscle on you. What's wrong with you that you do what you do?
I don't know what your goals are but if you want a release from a concentration camp look you are on a good road

This is it, isn't it?
Sounds like OP keeps gaining and losing the same 20lbs of fat.
As quickly as DNP allows to lose fat, you get it back just as fast if you don't reverse diet carefully.