DNP at low body fat percentage

[RzSco]

I just used DNP for 2 weeks to lose about 5kg and go from 15-16% to 10-12%. My attempts at bulking once again resulted in only fat gain despite my best efforts.

Problem is I still have a lot of fat on my belly and love handles such that my abs are only faintly visible when not flexing, but meanwhile I have veins all over my arms, delts and quads.

I'm not really sure how to proceed now.

1. Do another DNP 400mg for 2 weeks and expect my fat distribution to sort itself out on its own by going to 6-8% bf.

2. Do a low dose DNP (like 100-200mg) + Anavar cycle for 4-6 weeks and hope that the Anavar will target the fat around my waist selectively?

3. Just pay for 3D liposuction on the problem area since the rest of my body already looks pretty good?

 

[Nilatac]

This is it, isn't it?
Sounds like OP keeps gaining and losing the same 20lbs of fat.
As quickly as DNP allows to lose fat, you get it back just as fast if you don't reverse diet carefully.

Not really. You don't need a reverse diet when you get off dnp just to adjust your caloric intake to the new weight

 

[malin7]

Not really. You don't need a reverse diet when you get off dnp just to adjust your caloric intake to the new weight

This is literally what reverse diet is.

 

[Nilatac]

This is literally what reverse diet is.

Isn't that you gradually increase the food over a period of time?
But if you want to maintain a weight eat a caloric intake that allows you to be at that weight. You don't increase anything

 

[RzSco]

Guy said that he never went above 800-1200 mg/week but I opened that topic and read the first post and then I don't know what to understand

The test and deca blend turned out to be bunk to some extent and I didn't recognize it because I was used to underdosed gear.
Now I have a proper source I'm getting like 3x the test levels on the same doses.

I think there is an issue with my training too though. But trying out a high dose of actually legit test can't hurt.

 

[RzSco]

Were you overweight as a kid? You don't have to be overweight as a kid to develop extra stubborn fat, but usually the amount of fat cells is not fixed but flexible and not determined until the ages of maybe 2-5-7 years old. There is debate. Some people think fat cells number is determined by early puberty.

You may have some stubborn fat pockets as a result of your childhood development. That's why it is important to keep your kids lean because they will develop more fat cells if they have a certain amount of fat at a certain age, and those are life long fat cells. If you think this applies to you, get lipo.

I got up to probably 40% body fat when I was 19 or so. What a dumb move that was.

 

[Nilatac]

The test and deca blend turned out to be bunk to some extent and I didn't recognize it because I was used to underdosed gear.
Now I have a proper source I'm getting like 3x the test levels on the same doses.

I think there is an issue with my training too though. But trying out a high dose of actually legit test can't hurt.

If you are sensible to estrogen can hurt.
Training wise I told you. Progressive overload

 

[Inspired]

I got up to probably 40% body fat when I was 19 or so. What a dumb move that was.

Residual fat from overweight periods can stick around or be ultra resistant to fat loss. I think you should consider lipo. If those problems areas were thinned out, you would be happier and not have to diet and cut all the time. That stubborn fat is most likely getting in the way of your progress because just when you are going to gain more muscle or cement muscle, you end up changing diet or cutting.

 

[hudson98]

I used to be 130 lbs and probably at a higher body fat percentage too. 50+ lbs of muscle on top of that now. It's a little bit better than concentration camp level. Unfortunately the routines I used to get those 50 lbs just don't work any more.

I have seen guys build amazing physiques doing weird high volume routines like 10 x 10 for years, or your typical PPL, or low volume "rest-pause" work focusing on intensity. I've tried all these techniques and I just get fat. I've followed programs and simply not been able to keep up with the periodisation because my body won't adapt to the increased loads despite having a diet and steroid usage that should put it in a state to build muscle.

Trying to bulk again and again and failing to gain muscle every time is just letting perfect be the enemy of good and becoming so frustrating that I end up using things like DNP. Honestly just think it's time to stop with all that, cut down to shredded, and maintain at that.

You are smart for saying fuck bulking, thats what the fatasses do.

you are no smart for needing DNP to get lean. Even if it goes you there, if your not able to get lean with diet you will not stay lean with diet. sam with lipO , you will suck some fat out then when you don't eat right you'll gain it back in weird places and look like one goofy fuck

 

[hudson98]

I will say this

I wouldn't hire a coach, who coaches 100 IG guys who hav better genetics than and you and train harder than you he will put you on their diet say "eat big bro grow big bro, the scale is moving bro, good job bro" and you will end up a fat ass again

But I do agree with people saying you need to train hard, I mean fucking hard. You dont

do you know how I know? because people who have the mentality to train hard don't use DNP to get to 10 percent, thats not lean, 6 percent is. You should b able to hit 10 percent in your sleep. People who train hard don't consider liposuction,,thats what fat lazy loser fucks think about, not people who train and diet

you need to train hard,,brutally hard,,I mean 7 sets per week per body part hard if you can do 8 its because you pushed out at 7 and they were not actually intense.

 

[Nilatac]

I will say this

I wouldn't hire a coach, who coaches 100 IG guys who hav better genetics than and you and train harder than you he will put you on their diet say "eat big bro grow big bro, the scale is moving bro, good job bro" and you will end up a fat ass again

But I do agree with people saying you need to train hard, I mean fucking hard. You dont

do you know how I know? because people who have the mentality to train hard don't use DNP to get to 10 percent, thats not lean, 6 percent is. You should b able to hit 10 percent in your sleep. People who train hard don't consider liposuction,,thats what fat lazy loser fucks think about, not people who train and diet

you need to train hard,,brutally hard,,I mean 7 sets per week per body part hard if you can do 8 its because you pushed out at 7 and they were not actually intense.

That's how you get injured.
The "training hard" is misunderstood. You don't need to kill yourself in the gym. Volume and progressive overload is important not get a muscle tear forcing things that aren't meant to happen.
Is all about progress in a long period of time not going pedal to the metal 3 months and then you stay another 3 months to recover from a injury or you don't want to go to the gym because being in a war with weights is not fun. CNS will suffer also
Bodybuilding isn't about lift heavy all the time and be Kyriakos grizzly at the gym.
And no training isn't the most important. Sorry to ruin your day. Food and drugs are.

Using dnp is like using steroids to achieve a goal and not diet for 6 months when you can do that in 3 weeks. Use drugs in your favor and drugs work.
Probably you never used dnp than why you talk about it? You don't know what it does. That's one of the problems with forums that there is people that didn't do a thing and talk like there are experts.

In your view people should hunt their food with arrows and live in a caves because if you buy from market you are a pussy. Things evolved,people do their lives simple and not stay in a caveman mentality

But if that's what are you in have fun

I am sick of this topic...have fun guys talking to a wall that doesn't seem to understand or care about what other 10 people has advice him or making a argument with Rambo guys that think that you should make a disc hernia and tear 3 muscle in a year to "train hard".


The best training program is the one you can follow and the best diet is the one you can respect

 

[RzSco]

I don't know what's causing it but I think this "power fatigue" issue where my later sets are absolutely shit is the core issue here and why I can not train hard enough to achieve anything. Apart from the idea of "genetics" it's the main thing that seems to set me apart from those more successful amateur body builders.

I'm going to try training multiple times a day so I can always be fresh and get close to my maxes on every set I do instead of bullshit reps like 12 - 7 - 5 it will be 12 - 12 - 12. Just one set per workout, but two or three workouts each day where I'm always fresh and hitting that muscle hard and consistently. Then give it a day of complete rest the next day, and so on hopefully with progressive increase in strength.

It's the only way I can reconcile:
- training hard on every set I do
- training with high volume
- having rest days
- my weird power fatigue issue which I've never seen anyone else have

Worst case scenario I overtrain... best case all that volume and intensity with appropriate recovery can get me growing. Will also use 750mg test.

Life is an n=1 experiment, gotta try things.

 

[Rido]

Multiple times a day? Do more reading on junk volume instead of DNP dosing. Jesus Christ.

Life is an experiment and you are failing at designing it...

Go find a trainer at a local bodybuilding gym. Stop researching drugs.

 

[TheRingloVale]

Wtf? Work out ONCE per day.

And this is while you're dieting?

By the way, DNP will kill your workouts.

 

[hudson98]

training multiple times a day no one does that stop trying to reinvent the wheel, here's your routine, if your worried about getting injured warm up, higher rep range, and pick exercises that wont hurt you (no flat bench, deadlift)

Chest
Hammer Press 1 reset pause 20-30 Total
Weighted Dip 1 rest pause 20-30 total
Incline DB Press 1 set 12-20
Pushups to failure, then stretch

Back
Vertical Pull 1 rest apuse 20-30 Total
Another vertical, same as above
Horizontal Pull, one set 8-12, then lower by 20 percent hit another set
Another Horizontal pull, same

Legs
1 lying hamstring curl rest pause 20-30 total
Seated Hammy curl 1 set 12-20
Hack Squat 2 sets to 10, add weight each week
Lunges 30lbs each arm, 30 steps, 2 sets of this
Traps Incline Shrugs 1 set rest paus 20-30
Abs

Off

Arms
2 rest pause for bi and 2 for tri as above
2 superset, DB skull and Spider curls 20 reps, increase weight if you can do more than 20

Delts
1 rest pause movement for each front, side, rear
For side and rear then do a different movement 1 droplet to failure, 3 drops

Off

Cardio on off days. If we count a rest pause as 3 sets, your doing about 8 sets per part, should be done in an hour. Warm up and don't rush your workout, its not a circuit training, everything is to failure.

Pre and post workout meal with protein and carbs.

 

[AbstractMind]

This 100% tells me the following

No matter how intensely you think you train, you're not training with enough intensity

Your diet is not designed properly. Plain and simple

You're not focused enough on optimizing sleep and minimizing stress

Do not argue these things. Once you accept them and take serious action to correct them, you will see results.

Do yourself a favor, hire a coach. There's tons out there. Go on ig, find competitors who are good amateurs, check their posts and see who their coaches are. I don't care if you don't want to be a competitor, you don't have to be, but those coaches will know much better than you how to build muscle and mitigate fat accumulation.

This guy has it figured out

 

[RzSco]

training multiple times a day no one does that stop trying to reinvent the wheel, here's your routine, if your worried about getting injured warm up, higher rep range, and pick exercises that wont hurt you (no flat bench, deadlift)

Chest
Hammer Press 1 reset pause 20-30 Total
Weighted Dip 1 rest pause 20-30 total
Incline DB Press 1 set 12-20
Pushups to failure, then stretch

Back
Vertical Pull 1 rest apuse 20-30 Total
Another vertical, same as above
Horizontal Pull, one set 8-12, then lower by 20 percent hit another set
Another Horizontal pull, same

Legs
1 lying hamstring curl rest pause 20-30 total
Seated Hammy curl 1 set 12-20
Hack Squat 2 sets to 10, add weight each week
Lunges 30lbs each arm, 30 steps, 2 sets of this
Traps Incline Shrugs 1 set rest paus 20-30
Abs

Off

Arms
2 rest pause for bi and 2 for tri as above
2 superset, DB skull and Spider curls 20 reps, increase weight if you can do more than 20

Delts
1 rest pause movement for each front, side, rear
For side and rear then do a different movement 1 droplet to failure, 3 drops

Off

Cardio on off days. If we count a rest pause as 3 sets, your doing about 8 sets per part, should be done in an hour. Warm up and don't rush your workout, its not a circuit training, everything is to failure.

Pre and post workout meal with protein and carbs.

That's really similar to what I've been doing, though I incorporated the tricep and delt work into the chest day and the bicep work into the back day. And I did it twice a week to get the volume rather than once a week with rest pause.

If you tell me what rest to take, and how many reps to do in my "main" set, then I'll tell you how many reps I get on my rest pause sets. Let's use chin ups as an example - I can do a maximum of 15 if I'm fresh.

You can then tell me if my rep numbers are reasonable or not.

 

[Rido]

That's really similar to what I've been doing, though I incorporated the tricep and delt work into the chest day and the bicep work into the back day. And I did it twice a week to get the volume rather than once a week with rest pause.

If you tell me what rest to take, and how many reps to do in my "main" set, then I'll tell you how many reps I get on my rest pause sets. Let's use chin ups as an example - I can do a maximum of 15 if I'm fresh.

You can then tell me if my rep numbers are reasonable or not.

we dont know your intensity or anything. hire a trainer from a bodybuilding gym.

the fact you mentioned training multiple times a day is a red flag(unless you are training for a sport or a tri-athalon) but that wasnt your goal..

 

[AlwaysHungry]

My guy I bet you don't know what intensity is.
I'll tell you how I learned about what intensity is.
I was hyped to try Dorian Yates high intensity program , I thought that my ONE AND ONLY SET must be intense as fuck.
So what I did?
I did go on the bench press I did put 100kg on the bar and I did a very hard 8 reps so hard that I was barely moving the bar at the last repetition. I say myself ok that was intense.
But something inside me knew I could give more.
So I did put on the bar 140kg and I told myself "we go for a set of 15 reps" I cracked out 7 very hard reps!
Then I opened my iPhone got into the notes and wrote "Bench Press 1 set 140kg 7 reps" then I did that for all of my exercises I would take notes.
And every session I must beat my previous records either in kilos or in reps.
That is intensity and progressive overload , then you can dig deeper into intensity techniques "rest pause , drop sets etc"

But you must be intense!!! If you can squat 100kg for 10 reps then load the fucking bar with 120kg and give yourself!. Preferably you want a training partner but you both must have the mentality to kill yourself in the gym and take care of each other to stay safe but don't be pussies.

Also progressive overload must be applied to everything must be applied on food and drugs.

You said you eat 300g of protein how you except not becoming fat again? Did you do to your muscles so much damage to justify 300g of protein ? Did you do 200kg incline presses ? Are you on 2g of gear?
If not then of course you'll become fat.

You're also not patient enough to stick with routine to stick with diet to stick with drugs. You said in the first place that you didn't like lifting weights and you were in the gym only for the results.
My bro if you don't love it you're not gonna get anywhere.
You must love the pumps you must love lifting you must love eating you must love to live a boring life.

 

[Inspired]

My guy I bet you don't know what intensity is.
I'll tell you how I learned about what intensity is.
I was hyped to try Dorian Yates high intensity program , I thought that my ONE AND ONLY SET must be intense as fuck.
So what I did?
I did go on the bench press I did put 100kg on the bar and I did a very hard 8 reps so hard that I was barely moving the bar at the last repetition. I say myself ok that was intense.
But something inside me knew I could give more.
So I did put on the bar 140kg and I told myself "we go for a set of 15 reps" I cracked out 7 very hard reps!
Then I opened my iPhone got into the notes and wrote "Bench Press 1 set 140kg 7 reps" then I did that for all of my exercises I would take notes.
And every session I must beat my previous records either in kilos or in reps.
That is intensity and progressive overload , then you can dig deeper into intensity techniques "rest pause , drop sets etc"

But you must be intense!!! If you can squat 100kg for 10 reps then load the fucking bar with 120kg and give yourself!. Preferably you want a training partner but you both must have the mentality to kill yourself in the gym and take care of each other to stay safe but don't be pussies.

Also progressive overload must be applied to everything must be applied on food and drugs.

You said you eat 300g of protein how you except not becoming fat again? Did you do to your muscles so much damage to justify 300g of protein ? Did you do 200kg incline presses ? Are you on 2g of gear?
If not then of course you'll become fat.

You're also not patient enough to stick with routine to stick with diet to stick with drugs. You said in the first place that you didn't like lifting weights and you were in the gym only for the results.
My bro if you don't love it you're not gonna get anywhere.
You must love the pumps you must love lifting you must love eating you must love to live a boring life.

Exactly. Intensity. You have to trick yourself. Use ammonia smelling salts, that works for some. Put hot sauce near your eyes and nose. Use stimulants. Get angry. Grab the bar like you want to strangle it. Imagine violence. There are many ways to creative that explosive intensity. Wake yourself up, smack yourself, growl, wear a mouth guard and bite down.

 

[Rido]

Exactly. Intensity. You have to trick yourself. Use ammonia smelling salts, that works for some. Put hot sauce near your eyes and nose. Use stimulants. Get angry. Grab the bar like you want to strangle it. Imagine violence. There are many ways to creative that explosive intensity. Wake yourself up, smack yourself, growl, wear a mouth guard and bite down.

I like music, I always lift on the heaviest on a climax of a song.