DNP feasible for BJJ/MMA guys?

[RowdyGrunt]

New guy around here, but not a new guy to training and supplementation; except when it comes to the fat burners like DNP, Clen, etc.

In the past two years, I've managed to nearly die not one time, but three. Broken back, jumped by some teens playing the knockout game giving me a traumatic brain injury, and finally, nearly fatal pneumonia. I've trained martial arts for 37 years; and not in the ways that allows a black belt to get fat. I had my first MMA fight in 93. I'm still an addicted BJJ/MMA, Muay Thai guy.

That said, all of those incidents have put a damper getting back on track. I'm also an old Army Infantry guy, so regimentation and discipline ain't scary.

My diet's on track, as is my training from the fitness side of things. I'm working with a guy that's very well known and experienced for working with many of the bigger UFC guys you may know if you follow the sport. My cardio is the only thing that's suffering because I've put on weight that I've never carried before. And if you train any of the intense martial arts like BJJ or Muay Thai, you'll know that cardio is part of the training by simply participating.

Here's my question: All of the basic's being lined up (diet, training, cardio), is it feasible to use DNP for getting weight down while training BJJ/MMA, Muay Thai?

Or, is DNP, too taxing considering what goes on in MMA training?

The reason is that I want to compete again, and make it out to the World Championships and Pan Am's. But I do not want to compete in Heavyweight, simply because there aren't many guys my age and my level. I need to be down in light heavy, and in a younger age group.

I've yet to talk to any of my MMA bro's who've used DNP; so I have no foundation to know if it is an unnecessary risk.

 

[AnTabolic73]

Its gonna make physical activity more taxing. The higher the dose, the more taxing physical activity will be.

But DNP isn't really meant to aide you in training per se. You take it for 2 weeks, lose fat, and after that you do whatever training it is you do.

I've taken DNP, it wasn't too bad since I've kept it to only 250mg a day(crystal). I didn't even try to train. But I noticed the effect on my cardio just taking the stairs in my house, one flight. Lost a good amount of fat, and, due to the weight loss, I noticed an immediate increase in cardio capacity after my dnp run.

If I had to guess, cuz like I said I mostly skipped training while on(cardio/weight training). It would make your mma training a living hell.

That's just my $0.02

Use it to get to get to the weight you want, and then focus on training.

 

[RowdyGrunt]

You nailed it bro. That's exactly what I needed to know. My intent would have been to simply get the extra weight off. But I do not want to take it at the expense of my training. Cardio on the mats is too hard to come by.

I cannot risk training by interrupting cardio, even for a couple weeks, so close to the tournaments.

 

[Kracken]

I found I could still run while using DNP. It did make me sweat faster and more, but I could still do it. It really varies person to person. An effect of DNP is an increase in metabolism. My personal theory, as one of the older guys here, is that as someone with a slower metabolism (perhaps due to being a bit older), that I experienced less intense sides that many of the younger guys here have reported.

 

[RowdyGrunt]

That's an interesting way to look at it.
My metabolism has certainly slowed at 47...
It would be a net positive from the point of view of speeding up metabolism.

Thank you Kracken!

 

[Eman]

It could be done but I would suggest a very low dose... Maybe even getting 100mg caps to start with and probably not going above 200mg.

The biggest issue you'll probably have is sweating on your partner while sparring, if you do a lot of that... They will probably tap out just to get away from the waterfall that is your sweaty body.

Sides, metabolism and age aren't really going to have an effect on side effects... DNP only raises metabolic rate as a byproduct of it's mechanism of action. T3 would be a different story.

 

[RowdyGrunt]

LOL! I see you've spent some time on the mats. My favorite part of training is the rolling and sparring. We can add the sweating submission in the old age and treachery tool box.

Would you go with that 100mg for the same duration?

T3, I have as much experience with that, as I do with DNP. Which is nothing. I'm familiar, but as my gear usage was to maintain and repair from MMA, I've never used anything for "cutting".

Would you say that T3 is a preferred route?

 

[Eman]

LOL! I see you've spent some time on the mats. My favorite part of training is the rolling and sparring. We can add the sweating submission in the old age and treachery tool box.

Would you go with that 100mg for the same duration?

T3, I have as much experience with that, as I do with DNP. Which is nothing. I'm familiar, but as my gear usage was to maintain and repair from MMA, I've never used anything for "cutting".

Would you say that T3 is a preferred route?

I didn't see where you mentioned a duration... You can run 100mg and see what you think and increase from there. It really depends on how much fat you want to drop and how long you have to drop it. 200mg will most likely be treat you okay but I would be concerned about the profuse sweating if you're doing intense sparring. A med high intensity on the elliptical for 20-30min is enough to make me look like I went swimming in my gym clothes. But that's at a higher dose and I still eat carbs beforehand. You may find 400mg tolerable, but I doubt it. If you have a short time frame, low dose dnp at about 200mg combined with other techniques will get you to where you want to be pretty fast.

I don't recommend adding T3 to it, at least not yet. See how you do with one thing at a time. I would prefer to add ECA once the DNP accumulates... It will help mobilize the fat and the DNP will burn it off.

Edit- when I said "t3 would be a different story" I was referring to your age and metabolism... T3 will directly address a lower metabolism whereas DNP will indirectly address it to a certain degree. T3 is more or less a replacement for a lacking natural level... DNP is acting on ATP processes, your body is constantly trying to make up for inefficiencies the dnp is causing which raises metabolic rate.

 

[RowdyGrunt]

Very solid guidance Eman. Thank you for that very much.
I'm not trying to be over the top. What I need to drop is that last bit of hard to drop fat. 10% bf is prime territory for BJJ competition; and as of last dunk tank measurement, I'm at 16. Down from a high of 23% after the stuff that nearly gave me a dirt nap.

I primarily compete with the gi, and wear double weaves; so that'll assuage some of the sweat. But frankly, I don't shower for a few days prior to a competition anyways. Kind of an asshole thing to do, but hey... gotta drop an age group to get the most competition.

Thanks a ton man.