DNP, T3, Clen at the same time

[Starkraven]

I never used clen before and when i do DNP, i either do it alone and follow up with 1 tab of t3 for 7 days or do it with t3 and follow up as well. ive done many DNP cycles so i know my tolerance. 600mg per day is usually enough, actually 500mg per day seems to be a good dose. Usually i try to keep a diet strict but my appetite goes through the roof (i already have a huge appetite naturally) so i never keep it strict. That is the main reason for the clen, to suppress appetite. Also, I heard it is like ephedrine, where it brings the fat into the blood so DNP can burn it..Also, I never did cardio on DNP before. Only went out at night once but stopped, felt too short of breath.

Right now I am about 15-16% BF and I think if i use DNP at 500mg per day (or 400,600,400 etc), T3 at 1-2 tabs per day, and Clen 3-4 tabs per day, along with my super strict diet, and cardio (medium intensity brisk walk 3.5mph) for 30-45 minutes every morning upon waking on empty, I'll get under 10% BF. What do you guys think?

 

[kemo]

Good Job

Stark....thanks for the updates. Keep us posted.

Kemo

 

[Starkraven]

day 3, i am feeling it now, starting to get nauesous, carbs have been under 150g past 2 days, i am only getting them from oats/yams although if i feel extremely nausous, i will start chewing up some fruit, just a couple bites, this helps with alleviating naeusa, which you feel on dnp when you are low on carbs i guess. but i still wont pass 150g. i am upping clen to 6 tabs per day, im using the bulgarian shit, i cant feel anything really, but i think im starting to get headaches, my brother said it does that. his appetite was suppressed but mine isnt, im sure its the dnp, i might add caffeine.

 

[kemo]

day 3, i am feeling it now, starting to get nauesous, carbs have been under 150g past 2 days, i am only getting them from oats/yams although if i feel extremely nausous, i will start chewing up some fruit, just a couple bites, this helps with alleviating naeusa, which you feel on dnp when you are low on carbs i guess. but i still wont pass 150g. i am upping clen to 6 tabs per day, im using the bulgarian shit, i cant feel anything really, but i think im starting to get headaches, my brother said it does that. his appetite was suppressed but mine isnt, im sure its the dnp, i might add caffeine.

Stark,

If you are getting nauseous and the headaches, try taking Aleve....the sodium naproxen is the best at alleviating the headaches from the Clen. Also, you are most likely starting to get a little nauseous from the effects of the ATP levels dropping in the smooth muscles of the digestive system. You might try some regular 7-Up. The sugar will drop the amount of other carbs you can have, but it tends to settle the stomach a little.

Where is your T-3 at right now? You might try up it to 5 tabs if you are doing o.k. The ramp up isn't as essential as the ramp down...same for Clen.

Keep us informed.....thanks for the posts.

Kemo

 

[Starkraven]

kemo, thanks for the response. i do notice the nausea comes from the ATP depletion, last time i got really nauseous and almost puked before my meal, i had a little bit of oreo ice cream pie and within a minute i felt better, of course a couple bites only. also, i think yams upset my stomach. that and flaxseed oil.

my t-3 is at 25mcg i took that in the morning. tonight i am adding another tab. i didnt think i should go to 5 tabs per day ?! ive never ever done that, never went past 75mcg. but this time i think i will. i think with the t3 i get more naeseous. this will be a naeseous cycle! but i know when i feel naesous and hot and very uncomfortable, i lose alot of fat!! dnp makes you feel sick.

 

[kemo]

T-3

kemo, thanks for the response. i do notice the nausea comes from the ATP depletion, last time i got really nauseous and almost puked before my meal, i had a little bit of oreo ice cream pie and within a minute i felt better, of course a couple bites only. also, i think yams upset my stomach. that and flaxseed oil.

my t-3 is at 25mcg i took that in the morning. tonight i am adding another tab. i didnt think i should go to 5 tabs per day ?! ive never ever done that, never went past 75mcg. but this time i think i will. i think with the t3 i get more naeseous. this will be a naeseous cycle! but i know when i feel naesous and hot and very uncomfortable, i lose alot of fat!! dnp makes you feel sick.

Stark,

I would take the T-3 up a bit each day until you reach the 5. BTW...I hate Yams!! Oreo Ice Cream Pie sounds much better.

Don't you just love the "DNP Flu"??!!

Kemo

 

[Starkraven]

day 4, i am leaner than before i started. i hold water on this day and i dont look like it, i look much leaner in the face. i usually bloat there. this shows diet is perfect. also, i cut out yams, so just oats now. oats and some carbs from v-8 juice and only a couple bites from fruit.

i hate the dnp flue, whether its cold or hot outside, you still feel it!! of course its much better now when its cold compared to summer!! i upped dnp to 600 per day, t3 going to 75mcg today and clen already took 5 or 6, i lost count! im not sweating at all really, i guess the cold outside, i dont want to go to 800mg im scared it is a lethal dose. so i will keep it at 600mg per day the rest of the days. i dont feel much on 400mg, in fact i drank alot of ice cold water, like 2 cups straight and i was actually starting to freeze in my car!! also, i HATE the dry throat when you wake up!!

 

[inominate]

dnp questions

new to board.
thanks for the info:

Is DNP particularly harmful on the liver?
Fruit helps
lots of water
some drugs are more potentially harmful than others....thanks

 

[kemo]

Welcome

new to board.
thanks for the info:

Is DNP particularly harmful on the liver?
Fruit helps
lots of water
some drugs are more potentially harmful than others....thanks

Hello Inominate....welcome to the board.

DNP is not particularly harmful to the liver. The primary reason some AAS are hard on the liver is due to reductase, which is not applicable to DNP.

Fruit is o.k. as long as you keep the carbs down. I would recommend a fruit with a glycemic index similar to an apple. Stay away from cherries, grapes, etc.

Water is imperative.

As for potentially more harmful, yes....it can be. However, taken correctly DNP is far safer than Clen, ECA, or T-3 as it does not affect the central nervous system or the hormone axis. However, I would still recommend someone try the good old tons of cardio, clean diet, increased muscle mass method first. I am not sure your overall performance drug experience level, but just wanted to throw that out there.

Hope this helps,

Kemo

 

[inominate]

thanks Kemo but more questions

prompt reply. Excellent.

I tried(I am trying) the cardio,clean diet, and increased the muscle mass
naturally.
Worked up to a point than no more weight loss...

So I will try the DNP

Any further advice is most appreciated as I do have lots to learn.

Q:
-Abbreviations for supplements; (i did search but came up empty)
ala?
r-ala?

-As for a proper diet I prefer to keep it as simple as possible.
I was thinking of the drinks..slim fast etc. with add. proteins for the muscles.
Lower carb to reduce the sweating as i do have to work.
Does this make any sense?

thanks Kemo, everyone

Hello Inominate....welcome to the board.

DNP is not particularly harmful to the liver. The primary reason some AAS are hard on the liver is due to reductase, which is not applicable to DNP.

Fruit is o.k. as long as you keep the carbs down. I would recommend a fruit with a glycemic index similar to an apple. Stay away from cherries, grapes, etc.

Water is imperative.

As for potentially more harmful, yes....it can be. However, taken correctly DNP is far safer than Clen, ECA, or T-3 as it does not affect the central nervous system or the hormone axis. However, I would still recommend someone try the good old tons of cardio, clean diet, increased muscle mass method first. I am not sure your overall performance drug experience level, but just wanted to throw that out there.

Hope this helps,

Kemo

 

[Starkraven]

day 5 today and this is the day it gets hardcore. i am not even bloated in my face, i am losing a ton of fat, i can see it first in my face. i know i am holding water but i lost so much fat that it looks like i am not.

i am miserable about now. last night was the worst. i am keeping dnp at 400mg from now on. 3rd night i took 600mg i was ok because i didnt feel much that day because i guess it didnt build up in my system yet like today. but then the 4th day (yesterday) i was splitting up the dnp preparing to take 600mg so i didnt take it normally like one upon waking and one before bed, i took the second one 6 hours after the first and it built up in my system, and 3 hours later i drank 24 oz black coffee to keep me up here at work til 3 am, i never drink coffee so the caffeine fucked me up, i was nervous, anxious, hot, sweaty, and had major heavy breathing and couldnt sleep til 4:30. i felt like i was coming off of coke. i still had to take another cap but no way. i even kept t3 at 50mcg. so now it will be 2 caps dnp and 2 tabs t3 with 6 tabs clen. i might up t3 to 75mcg but i do think the addition of t3 is making the cycle much more intense. i tried it with it about 3-4 times and many times without it, and i must say it makes you feel like absolute shit. i had to eat a little tiny piece of chocolate and 4 dates to offset some serious naesau i have been feeling all day today. but anyway, i am aiming for 10 days and i will do it.

 

[Stones34]

Kemo, would you recommend ramping the T3 or just take the desired number of pills throughout the cycle?

Stones

 

[kemo]

Kemo, would you recommend ramping the T3 or just take the desired number of pills throughout the cycle?

Stones

I would ramp up the T-3 so you don't overly shock your system, otherwise you are going to feel like total $h!t....but, it isn't as important as is the ramp down. You can come up fairly fast as long as you can stand the sides....but you need to ramp down to help your own system kick back in place.

Hope this helps.....

Kemo

 

[kemo]

Inom

Q:
-Abbreviations for supplements; (i did search but came up empty)
ala?
r-ala?

-As for a proper diet I prefer to keep it as simple as possible.
I was thinking of the drinks..slim fast etc. with add. proteins for the muscles.
Lower carb to reduce the sweating as i do have to work.
Does this make any sense?

thanks Kemo, everyone

Inom....as for the slim fast, it tends to have a little too much sugar. If you want a quick drink like that I would go for one of the EAS or Muscletech products.

As for the ALA:

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) is a unique nutrient shown to have a potent effect on glucose disposal. It is also a natural antioxidant with free radical scavenging abilities as well as the ability to regenerate oxidized antioxidants. This actually makes other antioxidants more potent.

ALA also increases the levels of intra-cellular glutathione. Glutathione has been shown to enhance recovery from heavy training by reducing intra-cellular damage. This can also help the cells recover from the damage on the mitochondria level they receive during DNP intake.

ALA's ability to enhance glucose uptake is a very exciting effect that could enhance other nutrient distribution. By mimicking insulin, ALA increases uptake of glucose into the muscle cell by 65%. This glucose transport stimulation is accomplished through Lipoic Acid's participation in the insulin signaling pathway. Lipoic Acid provokes an upward shift of the glucose-insulin dose-response curve. This is an important function that could enhance muscle cell nutrient uptake and protein turnover. Also, during a DNP cycle it may allow more energy to be dissipated in the cell.

Hope this helps.....

Kemo

 

[Starkraven]

day 6, i dropped 6 pounds on the scale already! actually i lost even more fat than that because im holding at least 3-5 pounds of water from dnp itself. so that means 10 pounds of fat loss at least. diet is still extreme, everyday that goes by, my face is even leaner than the day before, and it should be bloated from the dnp water. this is how i can tell i lost ALOT of fat. still got 4 more days to go. im anticipating dropping down to no more than 11% BF. dnp still at 400mg, t3 at 50mcg, clen at 120mcg.

 

[kemo]

Good Job

day 6, i dropped 6 pounds on the scale already! actually i lost even more fat than that because im holding at least 3-5 pounds of water from dnp itself. so that means 10 pounds of fat loss at least. diet is still extreme, everyday that goes by, my face is even leaner than the day before, and it should be bloated from the dnp water. this is how i can tell i lost ALOT of fat. still got 4 more days to go. im anticipating dropping down to no more than 11% BF. dnp still at 400mg, t3 at 50mcg, clen at 120mcg.

Stark.....way to go bro....great job!!!

Kemo

 

[Starkraven]

well, day 7, i lost another 1.5 pounds and face is slightly bloated, not much at all but i can tell. this means i lost even more fat because water weighs on the scale, too and if im dropping weight on the scale and bloating, then ive lost alot of fat. im going to lose more than 10 pounds of fat for sure. its already 7.5 on the scale and dnp water is 5-7 pounds.

i have headaches im sure from the clen, right now i have a pounding headache and a stomach ache. anyway, 3 more days to go. i do plan on a good cheat meal or two on my tenth day because i know i cant get fat from that and i deserve to cheat after 13 days of strict dieting (thats including the 3 carb depletion day) and feeling like shit! ill probably still lose fat since i wont go over 3000 cals that day.

 

[kemo]

i have headaches im sure from the clen, right now i have a pounding headache and a stomach ache.

Stark, have you tried Aleve for the headache? Take 3 tabs with a little carbs.

Kemo

 

[Starkraven]

Stark, have you tried Aleve for the headache? Take 3 tabs with a little carbs.

Kemo

i do want to try that because i have a headache that lasts 24/7, must be the clen. the only problem is, im afraid im taking too much shit! and usually 1 tab of naproxen sodium heals me up in less than a day. so i think 3 would be too much.

anyway, day 8 today, i lost ANOTHER 1.5 pounds from yesterday and i even drank water before i weighed myself. this is amazing. im already down 9 pounds on the scale and holding at least 5-7 pounds of water. i had one brownie yesterday just for some simple carbs for the body. still not exceeding 150 carbs.

 

[atlmo]

Yea it most llikely is the Clen, Clen and Dbol raises the BP and this always gives me a headach.

i do want to try that because i have a headache that lasts 24/7, must be the clen. the only problem is, im afraid im taking too much shit! and usually 1 tab of naproxen sodium heals me up in less than a day. so i think 3 would be too much.

anyway, day 8 today, i lost ANOTHER 1.5 pounds from yesterday and i even drank water before i weighed myself. this is amazing. im already down 9 pounds on the scale and holding at least 5-7 pounds of water. i had one brownie yesterday just for some simple carbs for the body. still not exceeding 150 carbs.

 

[Starkraven]

Today is Day 9, but i finished last night midnight taking the final cap of this cycle because i woke up at 3am and was so sick i couldnt move, my head was pounding, still is! i slept all day, i did not take any DNP caps today and dropped the clen, because im sure the headaches are coming from it even though i can tell it is a great drug.

Throughout most of this cycle i would be coughing and my lungs would hurt. i would always have headaches that would not go away but earlier today it was horrible, i couldnt even move. also, i would sleep with the windows open as well. maybe i caught something and it finally whipped me day 9, or i might have caught something from someone at work. i was taking 2-3g vit c and 800iu vit e.

anyway, weight stayed the same today just a little more bloated which means more fat loss otherwise i would have weighed more. i will be taking t3 at 50mcg ed and eating about the same thing i did on this cycle at least until 7 days from now and then i will test my BF. i look much much leaner and im happy. i cant wait to see the final results and will let you know what BF i stand at. i lost 9 pounds on the scale and i am holding at least 5-7 pounds of water from DNP.