Do people use too much gear than necessary?

[jankoch]

You are probably right, thanks for explaining.

 

[malfeasance]

You are probably right, thanks for explaining.

Or you are right - I am no expert in this by any means.

I tend to think there may be more water retention in 600 than 300, too.

But I also think 5 months of 600mg of testosterone has to have some effects. That's why we would not want our wives taking it. She might be able to kick our ass after those 20 weeks are up.

 

[Chips7]

I can look at the graph and see strength is not much higher in 600 than 300, just as you say, but, again, no strength training, so not surprising. Strength requires neural adaptation, which requires strength training. But power was up significantly.

No surprise that untrained men are more powerful than women. That's why they do not get to box each other. And the reason is testosterone. Men have it, and women don't. That is why high school boys can defeat professional women in soccer and the Venus sisters get swept back to back by a man rated number 350 in tennis, and now they do not claim that they could compete with the top 100 men. Testosterone equals power. 20 weeks of testosterone at 600mg a week increased it quite noticeably.

Sexual desire, not statistically significant - statistical significance is important to determining whether the difference you are seeing is simply due to chance or coincidence. It is math. It helps determine the validity of the result. A value that is within the realm of chance or coincidence is not statistically significant.

As for dexa not being exact, that range of error is going to get plugged into the math when they calculate for significance.

I get your critiques, but I am not so sure that they undermine the value of this study. Note that they also did water weighing and not just Dexa. They compared the water weighing and DEXA in an attempt to evaluate water retention, so the part you quote above is only a portion of what they did to rule out water retention.

So the young men on 600 mg weekly for 20 weeks were bigger and more powerful than the young men on 300 mg a week for 20 weeks. You can chalk it all up to water retention if you want, but I do not think that adequately explains it, and the researchers appeared to be well aware of the issue and did at least two things to control the results so that water retention is not what was being measured.

With which marker do you determine that the 600mg group are more powerful than the 300mg group?

the only marker that I see that can differentiate this is the strength on the leg press, but there is little difference at this marker.

apart from if you base it on the free fat mass index, but I don't see how this index means being more powerful.

if you can enlighten me.

 

[malfeasance]

Please see post # 90, in which I described exactly how they measured that, including the equipment used, and, of course, the study itself, to which I provided a link so that you can read it for yourself and not take my word for it (nor should you).

Leg press strength does not measure power. That is the whole point. That measures maximum strength.

 

[eery]

regarding female vs male ive heard people theorize something about womens androgen receptors being different/more sensitive


its genetics, they want to brag about their "mentality" and "discipline", acting like they are getting twice the results just by eating stuff that doesn't taste good. plenty of guys train hard, eat enough and dont stay out partying every weekend.

i can vouch for this.

 

[borkies]

update: I shifted my diet to low FODMAP and am up 6lbs, no more poopies.

 

[Cheburek1]

Some do, some don't. Guys who are usually short have small man syndrome so to compensate they abuse shit and of course they tell you how moderate they are with their use of 200mg weekly Test only. Just like small dick guys drive huge suvs and brag how much they make or how many imaginary women they have or had. Life is rough sometimes.

 

[malfeasance]

update: I shifted my diet to low FODMAP and am up 6lbs, no more poopies.

Did you have IBS or just decided to try it?

 

[explodingHeart]

No one who competes successfully is using low doses.

If you are, you're a genetic god and such an outlier your experience is irrelevant.
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Edit: Clarification, made the majority of gains on low doses. Being on TRT after using grams of gear doesn't count.

 

[Cheburek1]

No one who competes successfully is using low doses.

If you are, you're a genetic god and such an outlier your experience is irrelevant.
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Nobody is using low doses wtf is this. Anyone who is moderately big is using at least 250-300mg of Testo on a cruise. I can tell huge difference between being on 200mg and 300+ mg. The fullness and strength and feeling is night and day. Everyone lies.

 

[PermaBlastingTren]

Split between left and right delts

150mg Test E
165mg Bold U
127.5mg Mast P
120mg Tren A


Swallowed split into 3 doses (every 8 hours):

105mg Superdrol
100mg Winstrol

Hmmm….

Nahhhh

 

[AlexDavis43]

Hmmm….

Nahhhh

Decided to take the day off?

 

[PermaBlastingTren]

Decided to take the day off?

Nope check again

 

[AlexDavis43]

Nobody is using low doses wtf is this. Anyone who is moderately big is using at least 250-300mg of Testo on a cruise. I can tell huge difference between being on 200mg and 300+ mg. The fullness and strength and feeling is night and day. Everyone lies.

 

[Spideog]

Or you are right - I am no expert in this by any means.

I tend to think there may be more water retention in 600 than 300, too.

But I also think 5 months of 600mg of testosterone has to have some effects. That's why we would not want our wives taking it. She might be able to kick our ass after those 20 weeks are up.

There is way more water retention on 600mg than 300mg. It also shoots my rbc through the roof. I made better gains on 300mg than 500mg. Steroids are way more powerful than people give it credit for, if I could go back in time I would never of touched the stuff.

 

[Spideog]

Some do, some don't. Guys who are usually short have small man syndrome so to compensate they abuse shit and of course they tell you how moderate they are with their use of 200mg weekly Test only. Just like small dick guys drive huge suvs and brag how much they make or how many imaginary women they have or had. Life is rough sometimes.

I started when I was 18 due to insecurities and now I’m on TRT for life due to all the abuse I gave my balls. I’m 24 now and tried to come off like 5 times.

 

[lukiss96]

I started when I was 18 due to insecurities and now I’m on TRT for life due to all the abuse I gave my balls. I’m 24 now and tried to come off like 5 times.

It's rough to come off, but it's not impossible. You have age advantage that most don't. You settled on TRT for life because you're afraid to lose everything you have and that you worked for. You can choose the game but you cannot change the rules. There are always choices and their consequences. At this point you can still hit the restart button, later on chances will get lower and lower. So make your choice.

 

[DECLAN]

I started when I was 18 due to insecurities and now I’m on TRT for life due to all the abuse I gave my balls. I’m 24 now and tried to come off like 5 times.

Most of the people I know from the 90’s who abused peds came off cold turkey because nobody even knew about pct or hcg therapy or anything remotely related to hpta recovery.

They just came off it, some even stopped working out because of life circumstances. Some had kids, some didn’t. In the end of the day, it’s all individual response; you might recover and have 8 kids like one of my uncles or you might have done too much damage and have to deal with infertility.

I say get professional advice and assistance, try to recover and give it time. Worse case scenario, back to trt.

 

[Cheburek1]

Most of the people I know from the 90’s who abused peds came off cold turkey because nobody even knew about pct or hcg therapy or anything remotely related to hpta recovery.

They just came off it, some even stopped working out because of life circumstances. Some had kids, some didn’t. In the end of the day, it’s all individual response; you might recover and have 8 kids like one of my uncles or you might have done too much damage and have to deal with infertility.

I say get professional advice and assistance, try to recover and give it time. Worse case scenario, back to trt.

He doesn't want to. This is really his biggest problem. People these days hop on bnc first and think second. Social media works.

 

[Spideog]

He doesn't want to. This is really his biggest problem. People these days hop on bnc first and think second. Social media works.

What are you talking about

It's rough to come off, but it's not impossible. You have age advantage that most don't. You settled on TRT for life because you're afraid to lose everything you have and that you worked for. You can choose the game but you cannot change the rules. There are always choices and their consequences. At this point you can still hit the restart button, later on chances will get lower and lower. So make your choice.

I tried coming off like 5 times it’s not the muscle damage or anything it’s the lack of libido and feeling like death that killed me. I was off for like 12 weeks and things still weren’t happening.