Do people use too much gear than necessary?

[iris]

It's rough to come off, but it's not impossible. You have age advantage that most don't. You settled on TRT for life because you're afraid to lose everything you have and that you worked for. You can choose the game but you cannot change the rules. There are always choices and their consequences. At this point you can still hit the restart button, later on chances will get lower and lower. So make your choice.

I thought you were on holiday...
Been missing the Meso crew?
Good to see you

 

[ackmack78]

What are you talking about


I tried coming off like 5 times it’s not the muscle damage or anything it’s the lack of libido and feeling like death that killed me. I was off for like 12 weeks and things still weren’t happening.

Not an expert on it or anything but have definitely heard people say it can take up to a year for your test to fully rebound. 12 weeks isn't enough time to say it won't ever come back. Also are you using pct drugs?

 

[lukiss96]

I thought you were on holiday...
Been missing the Meso crew?
Good to see you

Hey man, definitely. Still getting ready for it lol.

 

[malfeasance]

I started when I was 18 due to insecurities and now I’m on TRT for life due to all the abuse I gave my balls. I’m 24 now and tried to come off like 5 times.

What are you talking about


I tried coming off like 5 times it’s not the muscle damage or anything it’s the lack of libido and feeling like death that killed me. I was off for like 12 weeks and things still weren’t happening.

You have to wait a whole lot longer than 12 weeks.

You are 24 and impatient.

The problem is that you are sitting out there at 12 weeks "feeling like death" and that is when you body is finally figuring out things are off and trying to recover, but it never gets the chance because you keep taking stuff to either change what your body would normally do on its own or injecting testosterone which suppresses what your body would normally do on its own.

Recovery takes time.

Workout. Eat a good diet. Testosterone will come back into the normal range.

 

[borkies]

Did you have IBS or just decided to try it?

On my latest blast I was having trouble getting in enough calories to add any weight, constantly on the toilet several times per day and my appetite was going south, lots of indigestion problems - I had figured maybe I was just getting too old for this stuff. Someone here in this thread mentioned seeing a dietician for some assistance. I was advised to try out omitting "high FODMAP" foods and suddenly I am able to digest stuff again. Not sure what changed, never had to do this before. But, its working so far so I'm happy. Able to get calories in, keep them in and gain weight now.

 

[benfrankparkway]

Yeah, like I said - it’s all personal and relative. At my age and with my goals, 400 is a good combination of risk/reward. Plus I still cycle off and PCT w/ prescription Enclomiphene. That keeps my “natty” levels in the 700s (for now until it stops working).

Now, for someone 10 years younger who is competing that might not cut it. But I will say that I read another board with some old school guys who swear by lower dosages and still able to get on stage. Ofc, you don’t know who’s being honest about what they’re taking and maybe looking for a competitive advantage.

wow you get prescribed enclomiphene. How did you manage to get a script for that. Btw what is your age?

 

[benfrankparkway]

Not an expert on it or anything but have definitely heard people say it can take up to a year for your test to fully rebound. 12 weeks isn't enough time to say it won't ever come back. Also are you using pct drugs?

I am still relatively new to this forum. Came to this forum for advice and information before wanting to start a cycle. Did 1st cycle at 41. 500mg test 16 weeks, full pct. I just wanted to see what it could do and was not planning on running another cycle or live a lifestyle of TRT. I came off and my test levels were actually better than when i started. I believe is was in 600 range. I continued to stay on HGH, now its has been a year later, still no anabolics, got recent bloodwork and test levels are 619 and I feel great. Fun experiment, I went from 238 to 265. I am currently 252 and feel and look great.

 

[Chips7]

I am still relatively new to this forum. Came to this forum for advice and information before wanting to start a cycle. Did 1st cycle at 41. 500mg test 16 weeks, full pct. I just wanted to see what it could do and was not planning on running another cycle or live a lifestyle of TRT. I came off and my test levels were actually better than when i started. I believe is was in 600 range. I continued to stay on HGH, now its has been a year later, still no anabolics, got recent bloodwork and test levels are 619 and I feel great. Fun experiment, I went from 238 to 265. I am currently 252 and feel and look great.

Whats your T lvl before ?

 

[Ouch]

wow you get prescribed enclomiphene. How did you manage to get a script for that. Btw what is your age?

In my early 40’s. I did a Test / Deca cycle and did my normal PCT. After finishing that I had bloodwork done and my T levels were in the 300’s. So then I ordered some Enclo from a UGL, ran it for 90 days and tested again and my T levels were in the 700’s.

So I took both tests to my Dr at the time and told him I would like to try Enclo long term. After some hemming and hawing, he agreed to write me a prescription. Took some time to find a pharmacy that would compound it for me but I finally did and have been on it since…except during cycles ofc.

 

[armburst]

I don’t care why other people do it, I’m just thinking of myself the amount of sides I get when trying to push house dosages. I don’t understand how some people can push the envelope and function when running 500mg test/tren/mast. Just an example.

Are you,bro,high doses lover? Me too. I doing cruise on 500mg test c and blasting always with susta,because I found more agressive than rest tests and also as minimum 1g a week susta

 

[bigboy420]

Are you,bro,high doses lover? Me too. I doing cruise on 500mg test c and blasting always with susta,because I found more agressive than rest tests and also as minimum 1g a week susta

Legend
Hope ill be like you one day bro

 

[armburst]

Legend
Hope ill be like you one day bro

How old are you?

 

[armburst]

We need to find a point,when is to much. I think then you get more sides than benefits. Let say for my 3 compouds even on high doses is not much,but when you look to Dallas cycle,that is armagedon. And view from from another point. You all so much love primo,for me it is worst prep. Why? Almost nothing beneffits and it made me bald,su rubish for me.

 

[DECLAN]

We need to find a point,when is to much. I think then you get more sides than benefits. Let say for my 3 compouds even on high doses is not much,but when you look to Dallas cycle,that is armagedon. And view from from another point. You all so much love primo,for me it is worst prep. Why? Almost nothing beneffits and it made me bald,su rubish for me.

But are you bruce willis bald or the Rock bald, huge difference.

 

[armburst]

But are you bruce willis bald or the Rock bald, huge difference.

You can see me in avatar photo,nothing special ...

 

[DECLAN]

You can see me in avatar photo,nothing special ...

Looking good brother, not looking bald lol.

 

[IronHouse]

I don’t really agree with the idea of "using more gear than necessary." As you progress, you just become more advanced, make your own adjustments, and keep going. Some people can be on just TRT and still have an incredible physique, while others need to use more to achieve their best results. Its all pretty personal

 

[armburst]

I don’t really agree with the idea of "using more gear than necessary." As you progress, you just become more advanced, make your own adjustments, and keep going. Some people can be on just TRT and still have an incredible physique, while others need to use more to achieve their best results. Its all pretty personal

That is the way,my friend. There is no one receipe for all. I do love higher doses,but seen some magical tricks on sustanon 300 and deca 200 a week

 

[benfrankparkway]

In my early 40’s. I did a Test / Deca cycle and did my normal PCT. After finishing that I had bloodwork done and my T levels were in the 300’s. So then I ordered some Enclo from a UGL, ran it for 90 days and tested again and my T levels were in the 700’s.

So I took both tests to my Dr at the time and told him I would like to try Enclo long term. After some hemming and hawing, he agreed to write me a prescription. Took some time to find a pharmacy that would compound it for me but I finally did and have been on it since…except during cycles ofc.

that's awesome, I wish I had the power of persuasion!

 

[Spideog]

You have to wait a whole lot longer than 12 weeks.

You are 24 and impatient.

The problem is that you are sitting out there at 12 weeks "feeling like death" and that is when you body is finally figuring out things are off and trying to recover, but it never gets the chance because you keep taking stuff to either change what your body would normally do on its own or injecting testosterone which suppresses what your body would normally do on its own.

Recovery takes time.

Workout. Eat a good diet. Testosterone will come back into the normal range.

I think it’s psychological more than anything. Will give it another month before going to the doctor and getting blood tests. Your right I am impatient but loosing the libido is a major issue that annoys me. I think a lot of it is psychological, the strength, the sex drive, the being an absolute alpha and being unstoppable. All of it, it’s a mental shock going from this to low test levels, even in the normal range of test you will always compare yourself to being on.

Like I mentioned above, steroids are massively psychologically addictive imo. It’s very hard to go from superhuman to normal. I wish I never touched them but hey….. I want to stay off long enough that I forget the feeling.