Do you plan to blast in old age (40+)?

[explodingHeart]

I'm not claiming it's healthy or smart.

I just turned 40 and being on gear simply makes me feel great and adds too much to my life. I've come to the conclusion that'll run between TRT and 1g of gear as long as I can.

> "Bro, you're just a drug addict."
Probably! Honestly I don't care. Honestly I'm proud of it at this age.

>"What about your health?"
My health markers are great. Not claiming that will last forever. Things might go to shit in a few years.

> Healthy gear choices
For me just test/primo/mast/gh. But I guess the dose makes the poison.

Anyone else feel the same?

 

[DECLAN]

I'm not claiming it's healthy or smart.

I just turned 40 and being on gear simply makes me feel great and adds too much to my life. I've come to the conclusion that'll run between TRT and 1g of gear as long as I can.

> "Bro, you're just a drug addict."
Probably! Honestly I don't care. Honestly I'm proud of it at this age.

>"What about your health?"
My health markers are great. Not claiming that will last forever. Things might go to shit in a few years.

> Healthy gear choices
For me just test/primo/mast/gh. But I guess the dose makes the poison.

Anyone else feel the same?

Everyone has different tolerances to drugs, some can still blast heavy even at 50+, that’s how masters category exist.

It’s all about how much you’re willing to risk.

I am in my early 40’s myself, however I am always been conservative in my dosages, did pct and time on time off until I stopped steroids all together.

Nowadays, I blast and cruise since I am on trt anyway but I always go off everything for 3 months of the year, people will say it’s probably bad for my hormones but I can tolerate being low testosterone for that time and at least I could see my markers reset once I do get off.

It’s probably useless but it gives me some peace of mind lol. So far so good even my hematology issues I usually deal with have been resolved lately.

 

[Theworm]

WTH? 40 is old age???
Ok, 45 here, tons of research, I stay on trt at 120 mg week and once maybe twice a year I do what I think is best benefit to risk ratio: test prop 150 EOD x 8 weeks, that’s it. Look good, feel good. Calcium score zero. Cholesterol great. Only issue is blood pressure which is controlled with telmisartan.

 

[4Drago]

I'm in my 50s and no problems blasting a few times a year. No orals...ever again. I handle test great except the regular bloating but mast helps considerably if you're not worried about your hair.

 

[Ghoul]

I'm not claiming it's healthy or smart.

I just turned 40 and being on gear simply makes me feel great and adds too much to my life. I've come to the conclusion that'll run between TRT and 1g of gear as long as I can.

> "Bro, you're just a drug addict."
Probably! Honestly I don't care. Honestly I'm proud of it at this age.

>"What about your health?"
My health markers are great. Not claiming that will last forever. Things might go to shit in a few years.

> Healthy gear choices
For me just test/primo/mast/gh. But I guess the dose makes the poison.

Anyone else feel the same?

If you think 40 is "old age" in 2024 you're doomed.

I've seen plenty of guys in their 40s think and move like "old men". It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, with these guys being "elderly" by 50 and too far gone to recover anything resembling youthful energy.

Meanwhile I've known dudes in their 70s that were absolutely unstoppable with limitless energy.

A simple but statistically accurate "shorthand" method scientists use to gauge "biological age" of men in studies is walking speed. Slow walkers tend to have bad outcomes, more disease, more pain, more depression, and shorter lifespan.

Quick pace is indicative of better physical and psychological health, and correlated with longer life.

Try to walk quickly, everywhere, always.

 

[Theworm]

Exactly.

If you think 40 is "old age" in 2024 you're doomed.

I've seen plenty of guys in their 40s think and move like "old men". It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, with these guys being "elderly" by 50 and too far gone to recover anything resembling youthful energy.

Meanwhile I've known dudes in their 70s that were absolutely unstoppable with limitless energy.

A simple but statistically accurate "shorthand" method scientists use to gauge "biological age" of men in studies is walking speed. Slow walkers tend to have bad outcomes, more disease, more pain, more depression, and shorter lifespan.

Quick pace is indicative of better physical and psychological health, and correlated with longer life.

Try to walk quickly, everywhere, always.

exactly!

Your a smart guy, thoughts on my opinion that safest blast is prop only 150 EOD x 8 weeks? In addition to trt…

 

[lukiss96]

40's is old to teens and maybe early 20's youngsters who still have a lot of shit to do and learn in life.

As always what you can or can't do depends on a lot of factors, genetics is a bitch. Some people are like tanks when it comes to health.

I know some people who were chronic alcoholics and abused for 20-30 years. Then suddenly realized they can't go like this anymore. Also smoking a pack of cigs. Few years later they look younger than their age compared to others.

 

[narta]

Old fart maybe. Old man, nope!

I am far healthier than the average late 40s man, but not a prime example of athleticism. Don't smoke, don't drink other than 4-5 times a year and that's a couple old fashioned at a time, watch my diet, bp sits at 120/70 on cycle with 2.5mg nebivolol and 20mg telmi.

So yes, pending genetics, one can blast gear conservatively deep into their 50s or early 60s. After that grandchildren and peace of mind are far more precious...

 

[bigead]

Mid 50's here, and blast 2 to 3 times a year.

 

[Theworm]

Mid 50's here, and blast 2 to 3 times a year.

What’s your blasts look like?

 

[roofer22]

I'm 50. I wouldn't call it a blast but i'm on 300 test and 300 primo plus 4iu gh. If labs continue to look good i'll bump it up. Everything was perfect on my Friday labs.

 

[egruberman]

52 here and ran 1.5g/wk (1:1 test c and primo) for 20 weeks earlier in the year with no sides. Going to blast again in the fall and push it a little harder.

 

[jtmarlin]

My main issue is that I can barely control my lipids on a TRT dose. The other blood markers are no issue HCT etc for me As long as one controls E2 there will be no prostate issues IMO. People who claim no sides while blasting may be kidding themselves if they aren't running a full panel. I don't know how anyone can run 750mg of primo and not completely crush his HDL. That's a side effect. Any amount of supra physiological androgens will boost LDL, lower HDL and significantly boost ApoB. This is all really detrimental to the heart.

 

[Ferello]

Blast absolutely, Less frequently and for shorter terms though.

 

[Eddie.]

Yes i do, if health markers are fine. I started gear at 35 so the exposure won't be too much for me. For guys started blasting gear at their 20's, they obviously need to pay more attention with dosages and compound selection.

My main issue is that I can barely control my lipids on a TRT dose. The other blood markers are no issue HCT etc for me As long as one controls E2 there will be no prostate issues IMO. People who claim no sides while blasting may be kidding themselves if they aren't running a full panel. I don't know how anyone can run 750mg of primo and not completely crush his HDL. That's a side effect. Any amount of supra physiological androgens will boost LDL, lower HDL and significantly boost ApoB. This is all really detrimental to the heart.

There's medication for this, ezetimibe and a statin is one way to fix it. Hdl by itself doesn't mean that much, even if it's 20 by having your ldl at 40 you're probably fine.

 

[lukiss96]

For guys started blasting gear at their 20's, they obviously need to pay more attention with dosages and compound selection.

Why is that? If anything you get a good discount deal when in comes to health in your 20's (from my own experience). Obviously you need to slow down after you get in to each decade or even 5 years later on as you age, but it doesn't take away much if you think about it. Banking a number of successful cycle in your 20's and 30's is an advantage. Later on in your 40's and 50's you won't need as much. It's gonna be about maturing that muscle and preserving it as you get in to your 60's, I believe.

 

[Ghoul]

Why is that? If anything you get a good discount deal when in comes to health in your 20's (from my own experience). Obviously you need to slow down after you get in to each decade or even 5 years later on as you age, but it doesn't take away much if you think about it. Banking a number of successful cycle in your 20's and 30's is an advantage. Later on in your 40's and 50's you won't need as much. It's gonna be about maturing that muscle and preserving it as you get in to your 60's, I believe.

Arterial plaque buildup starts when we're children. Gear accelerates that, laying the base for more rapid buildup over time, so that's a definite penalty.

Same with atrial remodeling of the heart, Sooner you start on gear, the more of that damage you accumulate with time.

 

[egruberman]

lower HDL and significantly boost ApoB. This is all really detrimental to the heart.

My HDL was lower, but the health impact of that is uncertain. My ApoB is 60mg/dL. Lipid management is well understood.

atrial remodeling of the heart,

Which can be prevented by managing blood pressure.

 

[lukiss96]

I think if you start in your 20's and then are willing to stop at the age of 35-40 then you win more. I tell you from my own experience starting at 23 that your body is so forgiving for using steroids, I had no issues at all until a year ago. This and I believe this is genetics mostly.

 

[Ghoul]

I think if you start in your 20's and then are willing to stop at the age of 35-40 then you win more. I tell you from my own experience starting at 23 that your body is so forgiving for using steroids, I had no issues at all until a year ago. This and I believe this is genetics mostly.

What's referred to as "forgiving" in your 20's could also be described as chewing up your "health reserve", making you more vulnerable to whatever nature has in store for you as you age. For the guys into life extension you know about telomeres getting used up each time you have to recover from damage.

Obviously a 45+ guy with the common health problems associated with that age isn't going to be blasting.

Active guys in that age group still chasing a good physique, and have the energy, motivation, and brains necessary to properly use PEDs in that pursuit are a self selected group who exhibit durable, good long term genetics already.

At least this is what I tell chicks in their 20s so I can hit it raw.