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Do you plan to blast in old age (40+)?

Eddie. said:
Yes i do, if health markers are fine. I started gear at 35 so the exposure won't be too much for me. For guys started blasting gear at their 20's, they obviously need to pay more attention with dosages and compound selection.



There's medication for this, ezetimibe and a statin is one way to fix it. Hdl by itself doesn't mean that much, even if it's 20 by having your ldl at 40 you're probably fine.
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Serious question. Is it really that easy? You just take the statin blasting gear and your cholesterol is fine? I can never get my LDL in range ever. But my doc has never prescribed a static and I go yearly and am in my 40s. When on gear my HDL gets crushed with a small increase in LDL.
 
lukiss96 said:
Why is that? If anything you get a good discount deal when in comes to health in your 20's (from my own experience). Obviously you need to slow down after you get in to each decade or even 5 years later on as you age, but it doesn't take away much if you think about it. Banking a number of successful cycle in your 20's and 30's is an advantage. Later on in your 40's and 50's you won't need as much. It's gonna be about maturing that muscle and preserving it as you get in to your 60's, I believe.
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Hypothetically speaking, if someone wants to blast and cruise for 15-20 years and then go to legit TRT then obviously the one who starts at an earlier age is more resilient to health implications. That's one thing.

I believe OP asks if someone is willing to continue blasting beyond 40's, so comparing you who started at your 20's and you already dealing with issues (although BP i don't believe it's something you can't manage while on gear) with me which i'm enhanced for 10 months, i believe if we both continue blast and cruise until we past 40's then your health will be more deteriorated than mine since you're doing this for a way longer time than me.

I agree if you blast when you're young you can maintain a good physique with less when you got older, but here we have guys who blast 2gr of gear at 50+, like 4drago for example and many many others. I believe it's not sustainable to blast and cruise for 30 years straight, even if you start at your 20's.

jtmarlin said:
Serious question. Is it really that easy? You just take the statin blasting gear and your cholesterol is fine? I can never get my LDL in range ever. But my doc has never prescribed a static and I go yearly and am in my 40s. When on gear my HDL gets crushed with a small increase in LDL.
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For majority of ppl yes. I managed to lower my LDL with just ezetimibe and after starting primo and anavar, which is crazy to me. I thought it would just halt it but it actually lowered it.
 
"Old age" "40+" well fuck me...if 40+ is old age and I'm supposed to stop in 4 years then screw it, I guess I'm blasting my way to Heaven.

Nah for real tho I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. I never thought about putting an age limit on it, but more so about my blood and health markers. I haven't been doing this very long so hopefully I won't need to stop at 40.
 
Ghoul said:
Arterial plaque buildup starts when we're children. Gear accelerates that, laying the base for more rapid buildup over time, so that's a definite penalty.

Same with atrial remodeling of the heart, Sooner you start on gear, the more of that damage you accumulate with time.
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In theory if your LDL is under 60/70 and ApoB under 50, you're immune to plaque build up.

My LDL is low 30s with ezitimibe and 1g of gear.
 
explodingHeart said:
In theory if your LDL is under 60/70 and ApoB under 50, you're immune to plaque build up.

My LDL is low 30s with ezitimibe and 1g of gear.
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I wouldn't use the term "immune" but the accumulation of plaque burden is linear with ApoB. There are other factors, like inflammation and metabolic disorder that play a role. I check hsCRP when I check my lipids.
 
egruberman said:
I wouldn't use the term "immune" but the accumulation of plaque burden is linear with ApoB. There are other factors, like inflammation and metabolic disorder that play a role. I check hsCRP when I check my lipids.
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Probably yeah.

Low dose statins help bring down CRP as well.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Effect of Statins on Serum level of hs-CRP and CRP in Patients with Cardiovascular Diseases: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials

Several studies have reported that statins have anti-inflammatory effects. Nevertheless, results of clinical trials concerning the effect of statins on the levels of C-reactive protein (CRP) and high-sensitivity CRP (hs-CRP) have been inconsistent. Therefore, ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Well, your username lays out one of the biggest long term risk factors. Gear isn't healthy. Ill health effects are dose and compound dependent, genetic dependent, and are affected by all the other choices we make like stress level, nutrition, sleep, smoking, drinking, etc. Everything in life is a risk vs reward to some degree. If using gear is worth the risk to you, then let er rip. There's no right or wrong answer.
Personally I see myself settling into lower doses as I get older and eventually just TRT and reasonable GH. I'm "old age" by your metric and my blast doses would be considered low by many guys. I've found I prefer to do slightly higher dose for about 8 weeks max and low/moderate dose for a bit longer stretches. Running TRT and optimizing for health for chunks of time will go a long way staying healthy long term as well
 
I started blasting at 23, and I will do it for life. As for health, I don't really care, life is crap anyway, so even if I die, I don't care.

I don't have any plans to discontinue steroid use.
 
UncleBuns said:
Ill health effects are dose and compound dependent, genetic dependent, and are affected by all the other choices we make like stress level, nutrition, sleep, smoking, drinking, etc. Everything in life is a risk vs reward to some degree.
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Wholly agreed with all of this. I'm fairly conscientious when it comes to my health and never would've thought I could run as much AAS as I have. Turns out that I have the genetics to tolerate it, though I wish I also had the genetics to be a hyper-responder. My results are good, but not great.

I pay close attention to my health markers and figure I only have a few blasts left in me, which is why I'm not so concerned about organ growth. I also want to accumulate as much lean tissue as I can, while I still can and what's more, I'm healthier today than I was in my early 30s when I was smoking, roughly twice my current bodyweight, eating like a fool, and not exercising at all.
 
buck said:
By the time health markers show a problem damage has been done.
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Yes, thank you for this, I don't think some people realize this, at least I didn't when I was younger. If a motor is consistently running hot, damage is being done. After that it's all about damage control.
 
TomGlass said:
Yes, thank you for this, I don't think some people realize this, at least I didn't when I was younger. If a motor is consistently running hot, damage is being done. After that it's all about damage control.
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Plus many of us don't necessarily considerer "normal" blood markers as the standard for health to start with. How many don't think a nice normal T level of 300 is healthy.
 
I’m 60 and have been using aas for 42 years. Not continuously, but regularly. As I’ve gotten older I pay more attention to blood work (monthly) and take a few drugs to keep everything in or near range. I recently bought a large life insurance policy that required a lot of tests (blood, scans and a stress test). No issues.

My advice
Cardio 30 min every day
Watch bp closely (Telmisartin, nebivolol if over 125)
Use ezitamide, citrus bergamot and fish oil if any lipids are off
Monthly blood work.
Watch glucose carefully.
Get and stay lean (under 10% bf)
Eat a basic bb diet mostly, but enjoy life
Avoid tren and orals
 
jtmarlin said:
My main issue is that I can barely control my lipids on a TRT dose. The other blood markers are no issue HCT etc for me As long as one controls E2 there will be no prostate issues IMO. People who claim no sides while blasting may be kidding themselves if they aren't running a full panel. I don't know how anyone can run 750mg of primo and not completely crush his HDL. That's a side effect. Any amount of supra physiological androgens will boost LDL, lower HDL and significantly boost ApoB. This is all really detrimental to the heart.
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Low dose statin takes care of any cholesterol issues with little/no sides (for me at least)
 
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