Which drugs have you mainly used (obviously you like Primo) and what does your TRT/cruise and blast cycling look like - dosages, duration, etc.
Someone that has used AAS as long as you and is still in good health has my curiosity piqued. Well done!
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Do you plan to blast in old age (40+)?
- Thread starter explodingHeart
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Someone that has used AAS as long as you and is still in good health has my curiosity piqued. Well done!
egruberman
Well-known Member
In terms of cheap and easily available poly-pharmacy for lipid management, low-dose rosuvastatin, ezetimibe and bempedoic acid all have complementary effects and will give you LDL (and ApoB) values of a teenager when taken in concert.
I started on ezetimibe with an ApoB in the 120mg/dL range. That plus some dietary modifications and all the various supplements people recommend for such things got me to around 100mg/dL. I added 10mg rosuvastatin daily which got me in the 70s. Bempedoic acid dropped it by another 15% or so. I think it was 50mg/dL before I started a PCSK9i. LDL-C is commensurately low.
Bempedoic acid is hard to get covered in the US and it's ~$300ish per month on goodrx. However, you can order it from any of the Indian pharma places. For example pct.zone has "bempetol" for $.40ea or about $12/mo.
In the past year, the results of a couple of outcomes trials have been published showing substantial evidence not just of a lipid lowering effect, but an actual reduced risk of death.
Cholesterol Lowering via Bempedoic Acid, an ACL-Inhibiting Regimen - American College of Cardiology
Dharam J. Kumbhani, MD, SM, FACC
The side effects look kinda scary, but the incidence is extraordinarily low.
Repatha is a different story entirely. If you're statin intolerant, get an Rx and apply for the copay card. Being a biologic, I doubt you'll be seeing that come out of India or China any time soon. Inclisiran is another PCSK9i hitting the market soon, but the only benefit to that are fewer injections for folks that don't like the idea of putting a needle in themselves, so, basically nobody here.
fike
Member
Shit....I'm 36 now. I'm planning on looking like a God damn greek god by the time I'm 40. Then I'm going to be the scariest 50 year old you've ever seen.
Despite my drug use, thanks to God, I'm the healthiest I've been since around 13 or 14. I may die tomorrow tho, but at least I tried. As long as my health stays like it is, I'm running that shit.
Edit: I have systemic lupus and stage II kidney disease. This shit is helping save me man.
Despite my drug use, thanks to God, I'm the healthiest I've been since around 13 or 14. I may die tomorrow tho, but at least I tried. As long as my health stays like it is, I'm running that shit.
Edit: I have systemic lupus and stage II kidney disease. This shit is helping save me man.
Primoisthebest
New Member
I have used most every aas except insulin. In the last 20 years mostly test, primo, mast and a small amount of deca here and there. I have sprinkled in Tren, superdrol and others occasionally . My lowest dose is 500 test. I tend to be “on” more than not. Typically that’s 1000-1500mg total. Typical for me is 750 test, 300 mast, 300 primo. Recently started using gh continuously also at 6 iu. I was a competitive bb in the 80’s, not really a successful one lol, but fully lived the life while in college and it just stuck.
I’m 5’10 200 lbs and bf ranges 8.5-10.5%. Adding gh has made it a lot easier to stay under 10%. Im
not trying to get a lot more muscle, I just like the feeling of being “on”, especially as I’m older just more drive for everything in life. I work out at a gym with a young clientele so it’s fun competing with the young bucks too.
If I started loosing the ability to maintain health I would definitely scale back to a trt type regimen and it does require a poly pharmacy approach to manage as I am. I’m under no illusion this is the healthiest thing to do but for me the calculated risks are worth it.
IronJohnDoe
New Member
I am 38 and yes I do plan a blast once a year.
I check my bloods often (e2, prolactin, estradiol, lipids, LDL, HDL levels etcetera)
Check my blood pressure daily also.
I also don't use anymore nor19s but that is a personal choice.
I am going to do a Test(sustanon daily) and Primo blast towards end of September:
CYCLE 20 weeks (5 months)
Compounds:
Sustanon 850mg x week (0.7ml every day)
Primo 420mg x week (0.3ml every day)
Total 1270mg x week (1ml every day)
Supporting Meds:
Proviron 50mg every day split AM/Lunch
Cialis 5mg every day
Supporting Supplements:
(SAME For cycle, taper down and cruise)
Nac 1500mg Tot 3x daily
Optimen 3x day
Fish oil DHA and EPA 4x day 1600mg
CoQ10 + Hawthorn Berries daily
(400mg + HB1600mg split am/lunch)
L-theanine 2 x100mg upon awaking empty stomach 30 mins before breakfast
2x100mg 1h before bed
TAPERING DOWN 9 weeks (2 months)
Compounds:
Sustanon 485mg x week (0.4ml every day)
Primo 140mg x week (0.1ml every day)
Total 625mg x week (0.5ml every day)
Supporting Meds:
Proviron 50mg every day split AM/Lunch
Cialis 5mg every day
Supporting Supplements:
Same
CRUISE 24 weeks (6 months)
Compounds:
Sustanon 240mg x week (0.2ml every day)
Total 240mg x week (0.2ml every day)
Supporting Meds:
Proviron 25mg every day
Cialis 5mg every day
Supporting Supplements:
Same
I have Aromasin on hand but I seldom use it as I don't aromatase easy.
I check my bloods often (e2, prolactin, estradiol, lipids, LDL, HDL levels etcetera)
Check my blood pressure daily also.
I also don't use anymore nor19s but that is a personal choice.
I am going to do a Test(sustanon daily) and Primo blast towards end of September:
CYCLE 20 weeks (5 months)
Compounds:
Sustanon 850mg x week (0.7ml every day)
Primo 420mg x week (0.3ml every day)
Total 1270mg x week (1ml every day)
Supporting Meds:
Proviron 50mg every day split AM/Lunch
Cialis 5mg every day
Supporting Supplements:
(SAME For cycle, taper down and cruise)
Nac 1500mg Tot 3x daily
Optimen 3x day
Fish oil DHA and EPA 4x day 1600mg
CoQ10 + Hawthorn Berries daily
(400mg + HB1600mg split am/lunch)
L-theanine 2 x100mg upon awaking empty stomach 30 mins before breakfast
2x100mg 1h before bed
TAPERING DOWN 9 weeks (2 months)
Compounds:
Sustanon 485mg x week (0.4ml every day)
Primo 140mg x week (0.1ml every day)
Total 625mg x week (0.5ml every day)
Supporting Meds:
Proviron 50mg every day split AM/Lunch
Cialis 5mg every day
Supporting Supplements:
Same
CRUISE 24 weeks (6 months)
Compounds:
Sustanon 240mg x week (0.2ml every day)
Total 240mg x week (0.2ml every day)
Supporting Meds:
Proviron 25mg every day
Cialis 5mg every day
Supporting Supplements:
Same
I have Aromasin on hand but I seldom use it as I don't aromatase easy.
How is your SHBG with primo and proviron together?
Brother, this is the hardest thing most people achieve in their lifetime even at their peaks, say 20-30s. Now, doing it in your middle to old age, would even be more challenging.
I have only been slightly below 10% once in my life, this is with decent muscle mass and it was a struggle lol. For people who don’t compete, we barely go down less than 10%, generally gymbros stay around 12-18%.
You’re right though, when you think about health and longevity at the later later stages of life, we need to downsize and be generally lean.
IronJohnDoe
New Member
I will be able to answer that after doing bloods while on that cycle.
Wanted to check, just unsure if check at week 5 or 8.
Happy to receive suggestions on that.
(Cycle will start in Mid/End of September cruising at the moment and plan to check my bloods 1 week before starting that cycle)
tcri
New Member
I often think about this. I have several years left until my 40's. But , I wonder if I will even have the same goals then. Maybe more conservative dosages would be best. But training even changes as you age, so it is prob reasonable to expect tolerances to high dosages to reduce as well.
For sure! Enjoy those winter bulks while you can. Used to LOVE them but they are a thing of the past for me in my 50's, just on BP alone
egruberman
Well-known Member
I'm under 10% for the first time in my life. At least according to the dexa. I'm dubious. I have veins everywhere and some striations in places, but also a lot of loose skin and some goddamn love handles that won't go away.
I'm just above 8% right now and I think I'm going to have to bulk and then cut again to get closer to 6% to really be pleased.
blastncruiser
New Member
Blast ? Probably not. Cruise ? Of course. My friend's father is on TRT and 91 years old traveling the world as a sex tourist.
egruberman
Well-known Member
God bless 'im.
Theworm
Well-known Member
Over 45 now I still think healthiest is 100-120 mg cruise and once or twice a year blast with prop at 150 mg EOD x 8 weeks.
diamondsshining
New Member
absolutely not. not gonna end up like rich piana. just gonna do trt at that point, if even. i like AAS but i like being healthy more than having muscles. no point if you die or suffer a heart attack
Get to know your ancillaries very well, including BP medication, Cholesterol medication, Ais, etc. Get your blood checked regularly. Learn how these hormones affect the body. Get your heart checked yearly with scans. If you stay on top of your bloodwork and heart scans, you can blast and cruise without taking too much risk. But remember, there is always risk! Also, have all of your gear tested; Janoshik is great for testing. Don't put anything in your body that has not been tested. If you can't afford to get your heart checked, your blood checked, and your gear checked, then you can't afford to blast.
AlexDavis43
Member
That's the thing. You'll never really be pleased. Bodybuilding is a brain disease.
egruberman
Well-known Member
Just let me believe my little lies for now.
Wanting to make consistent improvements over time is called progress.
bigMoJo
Member
They're going to retire that guys dick somewhere in one of those countries, with a plaque that reads "El Patron" or something.
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