Do you plan to blast in old age (40+)?

[OldGHGuy]

I’m 60 and have been using aas for 42 years. Not continuously, but regularly. As I’ve gotten older I pay more attention to blood work (monthly) and take a few drugs to keep everything in or near range. I recently bought a large life insurance policy that required a lot of tests (blood, scans and a stress test). No issues.

My advice
Cardio 30 min every day
Watch bp closely (Telmisartin, nebivolol if over 125)
Use ezitamide, citrus bergamot and fish oil if any lipids are off
Monthly blood work.
Watch glucose carefully.
Get and stay lean (under 10% bf)
Eat a basic bb diet mostly, but enjoy life
Avoid tren and orals

Which drugs have you mainly used (obviously you like Primo) and what does your TRT/cruise and blast cycling look like - dosages, duration, etc.

Someone that has used AAS as long as you and is still in good health has my curiosity piqued. Well done!

 

[egruberman]

Low dose statin takes care of any cholesterol issues with little/no sides (for me at least)

In terms of cheap and easily available poly-pharmacy for lipid management, low-dose rosuvastatin, ezetimibe and bempedoic acid all have complementary effects and will give you LDL (and ApoB) values of a teenager when taken in concert.

I started on ezetimibe with an ApoB in the 120mg/dL range. That plus some dietary modifications and all the various supplements people recommend for such things got me to around 100mg/dL. I added 10mg rosuvastatin daily which got me in the 70s. Bempedoic acid dropped it by another 15% or so. I think it was 50mg/dL before I started a PCSK9i. LDL-C is commensurately low.

Bempedoic acid is hard to get covered in the US and it's ~$300ish per month on goodrx. However, you can order it from any of the Indian pharma places. For example pct.zone has "bempetol" for $.40ea or about $12/mo.

In the past year, the results of a couple of outcomes trials have been published showing substantial evidence not just of a lipid lowering effect, but an actual reduced risk of death.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2215024

Cholesterol Lowering via Bempedoic Acid, an ACL-Inhibiting Regimen - American College of Cardiology

Dharam J. Kumbhani, MD, SM, FACC

www.acc.org

The side effects look kinda scary, but the incidence is extraordinarily low.

Repatha is a different story entirely. If you're statin intolerant, get an Rx and apply for the copay card. Being a biologic, I doubt you'll be seeing that come out of India or China any time soon. Inclisiran is another PCSK9i hitting the market soon, but the only benefit to that are fewer injections for folks that don't like the idea of putting a needle in themselves, so, basically nobody here.

 

[fike]

Shit....I'm 36 now. I'm planning on looking like a God damn greek god by the time I'm 40. Then I'm going to be the scariest 50 year old you've ever seen.
Despite my drug use, thanks to God, I'm the healthiest I've been since around 13 or 14. I may die tomorrow tho, but at least I tried. As long as my health stays like it is, I'm running that shit.

Edit: I have systemic lupus and stage II kidney disease. This shit is helping save me man.

 

[Primoisthebest]

Which drugs have you mainly used (obviously you like Primo) and what does your TRT/cruise and blast cycling look like - dosages, duration, etc.

Someone that has used AAS as long as you and is still in good health has my curiosity piqued. Well done!

I have used most every aas except insulin. In the last 20 years mostly test, primo, mast and a small amount of deca here and there. I have sprinkled in Tren, superdrol and others occasionally . My lowest dose is 500 test. I tend to be “on” more than not. Typically that’s 1000-1500mg total. Typical for me is 750 test, 300 mast, 300 primo. Recently started using gh continuously also at 6 iu. I was a competitive bb in the 80’s, not really a successful one lol, but fully lived the life while in college and it just stuck.

I’m 5’10 200 lbs and bf ranges 8.5-10.5%. Adding gh has made it a lot easier to stay under 10%. Im
not trying to get a lot more muscle, I just like the feeling of being “on”, especially as I’m older just more drive for everything in life. I work out at a gym with a young clientele so it’s fun competing with the young bucks too.

If I started loosing the ability to maintain health I would definitely scale back to a trt type regimen and it does require a poly pharmacy approach to manage as I am. I’m under no illusion this is the healthiest thing to do but for me the calculated risks are worth it.

 

[IronJohnDoe]

I am 38 and yes I do plan a blast once a year.

I check my bloods often (e2, prolactin, estradiol, lipids, LDL, HDL levels etcetera)
Check my blood pressure daily also.

I also don't use anymore nor19s but that is a personal choice.

I am going to do a Test(sustanon daily) and Primo blast towards end of September:

CYCLE 20 weeks (5 months)
Compounds:
Sustanon 850mg x week (0.7ml every day)
Primo 420mg x week (0.3ml every day)
Total 1270mg x week (1ml every day)

Supporting Meds:
Proviron 50mg every day split AM/Lunch
Cialis 5mg every day

Supporting Supplements:
(SAME For cycle, taper down and cruise)
Nac 1500mg Tot 3x daily
Optimen 3x day
Fish oil DHA and EPA 4x day 1600mg
CoQ10 + Hawthorn Berries daily
(400mg + HB1600mg split am/lunch)
L-theanine 2 x100mg upon awaking empty stomach 30 mins before breakfast
2x100mg 1h before bed

TAPERING DOWN 9 weeks (2 months)
Compounds:
Sustanon 485mg x week (0.4ml every day)
Primo 140mg x week (0.1ml every day)
Total 625mg x week (0.5ml every day)

Supporting Meds:
Proviron 50mg every day split AM/Lunch
Cialis 5mg every day

Supporting Supplements:
Same

CRUISE 24 weeks (6 months)
Compounds:
Sustanon 240mg x week (0.2ml every day)
Total 240mg x week (0.2ml every day)

Supporting Meds:
Proviron 25mg every day
Cialis 5mg every day
Supporting Supplements:
Same

I have Aromasin on hand but I seldom use it as I don't aromatase easy.

 

[Eddie.]

I am 38 and yes I do plan a blast once a year.

I check my bloods often (e2, prolactin, estradiol, lipids, LDL, HDL levels etcetera)
Check my blood pressure daily also.

I also don't use anymore nor19s but that is a personal choice.

I am going to do a Test(sustanon daily) and Primo blast towards end of September:

CYCLE 20 weeks (5 months)
Compounds:
Sustanon 850mg x week (0.7ml every day)
Primo 420mg x week (0.3ml every day)
Total 1270mg x week (1ml every day)

Supporting Meds:
Proviron 50mg every day split AM/Lunch
Cialis 5mg every day

Supporting Supplements:
(SAME For cycle, taper down and cruise)
Nac 1500mg Tot 3x daily
Optimen 3x day
Fish oil DHA and EPA 4x day 1600mg
CoQ10 + Hawthorn Berries daily
(400mg + HB1600mg split am/lunch)
L-theanine 2 x100mg upon awaking empty stomach 30 mins before breakfast
2x100mg 1h before bed

TAPERING DOWN 9 weeks (2 months)
Compounds:
Sustanon 485mg x week (0.4ml every day)
Primo 140mg x week (0.1ml every day)
Total 625mg x week (0.5ml every day)

Supporting Meds:
Proviron 50mg every day split AM/Lunch
Cialis 5mg every day

Supporting Supplements:
Same

CRUISE 24 weeks (6 months)
Compounds:
Sustanon 240mg x week (0.2ml every day)
Total 240mg x week (0.2ml every day)

Supporting Meds:
Proviron 25mg every day
Cialis 5mg every day
Supporting Supplements:
Same

I have Aromasin on hand but I seldom use it as I don't aromatase easy.

How is your SHBG with primo and proviron together?

 

[DECLAN]

I’m 60 and have been using aas for 42 years. Not continuously, but regularly. As I’ve gotten older I pay more attention to blood work (monthly) and take a few drugs to keep everything in or near range. I recently bought a large life insurance policy that required a lot of tests (blood, scans and a stress test). No issues.

My advice
Cardio 30 min every day
Watch bp closely (Telmisartin, nebivolol if over 125)
Use ezitamide, citrus bergamot and fish oil if any lipids are off
Monthly blood work.
Watch glucose carefully.
Get and stay lean (under 10% bf)
Eat a basic bb diet mostly, but enjoy life
Avoid tren and orals

Brother, this is the hardest thing most people achieve in their lifetime even at their peaks, say 20-30s. Now, doing it in your middle to old age, would even be more challenging.

I have only been slightly below 10% once in my life, this is with decent muscle mass and it was a struggle lol. For people who don’t compete, we barely go down less than 10%, generally gymbros stay around 12-18%.

You’re right though, when you think about health and longevity at the later later stages of life, we need to downsize and be generally lean.

 

[IronJohnDoe]

How is your SHBG with primo and proviron together?

I will be able to answer that after doing bloods while on that cycle.
Wanted to check, just unsure if check at week 5 or 8.
Happy to receive suggestions on that.
(Cycle will start in Mid/End of September cruising at the moment and plan to check my bloods 1 week before starting that cycle)

 

[tcri]

I often think about this. I have several years left until my 40's. But , I wonder if I will even have the same goals then. Maybe more conservative dosages would be best. But training even changes as you age, so it is prob reasonable to expect tolerances to high dosages to reduce as well.

 

[OldGHGuy]

Brother, this is the hardest thing most people achieve in their lifetime even at their peaks, say 20-30s. Now, doing it in your middle to old age, would even be more challenging.

I have only been slightly below 10% once in my life, this is with decent muscle mass and it was a struggle lol. For people who don’t compete, we barely go down less than 10%, generally gymbros stay around 12-18%.

You’re right though, when you think about health and longevity at the later later stages of life, we need to downsize and be generally lean.

For sure! Enjoy those winter bulks while you can. Used to LOVE them but they are a thing of the past for me in my 50's, just on BP alone