Dr Scally or Bill Roberts Cycle Question

[Petgio]

How much trenbolone and Dianabol will really depend on how aggressive you want or need to be.

750 mg/week of testosterone enanthate is a good beginning cycle and usually can continue allowing good gains until having at least 20 lb more LBM than prior to steroid use (there is no exact figure true for everyone -- the number is for illustration only!)

On the other hand, if already being very experienced with such levels, then another cycle of the same likely will accomplish little.

What cycles have you done before?

i have done 5 cycles.
my last cycle was with boldenone and proviron that was the last one about 6 months ago for 10 weeks.
to other cycles which was bad cycles i have a blend of drugs,masteron,test prop,trenbolone,winstrol and primobolan,1 shot of each every week...i think that was bad cycles!

 

[Bill Roberts]

In this case, I think you will get excellent results without needing to add much to the 750 mg/week testosterone enanthate base.

A funny thing is that while it might be guessed that steroid dosing is extremely precise, actually dosages are typically based on round numbers of mL! And this works absolutely fine.

So the recommendation here is assuming the trenbolone enanthate is 200 mg/mL. As you're planning 750 mg/week of testosterone enanthate, I'm guessing your product will be 250 mg/mL, and you're planning on injecting 3x/week. If not, then things can be adjusted.

Adding 100 mg of trenbolone enanthate per injection is being pretty modest, yet will give a significant edge and will already move you up to just over a gram per week of injectables. Trenbolone-specific side effects are unlikely to appear at this dosage.

As you're already using a decent amount of testosterone, Dianabol doesn't need to be at the 50 mg/day level that ordinarily I'd prefer, when that's not the case. You could do fine with 30-40 mg/day.

This would put you at about the 1300 mg/week total level, which is quite solid. I think there is no way this would be insufficient or unsatisfactory for you.

If you were not using the Dianabol also, there would be a chance (no guarantee though) of the 750 mg/week testosterone usage not raising problematic issues with estrogen: adding in the Dianabol, that's still possible, but less likely. Letrozole 1 mg/day is a reasonable estimate with this amount of aromatizable steroid (about 1 gram per week), but I'd test estradiol levels two weeks into the program and adjust as necessary. It is easy to order the test online, and not expensive. It's very much worth doing.

 

[Petgio]

In this case, I think you will get excellent results without needing to add much to the 750 mg/week testosterone enanthate base.

A funny thing is that while it might be guessed that steroid dosing is extremely precise, actually dosages are typically based on round numbers of mL! And this works absolutely fine.

So the recommendation here is assuming the trenbolone enanthate is 200 mg/mL. As you're planning 750 mg/week of testosterone enanthate, I'm guessing your product will be 250 mg/mL, and you're planning on injecting 3x/week. If not, then things can be adjusted.

Adding 100 mg of trenbolone enanthate per injection is being pretty modest, yet will give a significant edge and will already move you up to just over a gram per week of injectables. Trenbolone-specific side effects are unlikely to appear at this dosage.

As you're already using a decent amount of testosterone, Dianabol doesn't need to be at the 50 mg/day level that ordinarily I'd prefer, when that's not the case. You could do fine with 30-40 mg/day.

This would put you at about the 1300 mg/week total level, which is quite solid. I think there is no way this would be insufficient or unsatisfactory for you.

If you were not using the Dianabol also, there would be a chance (no guarantee though) of the 750 mg/week testosterone usage not raising problematic issues with estrogen: adding in the Dianabol, that's still possible, but less likely. Letrozole 1 mg/day is a reasonable estimate with this amount of aromatizable steroid (about 1 gram per week), but I'd test estradiol levels two weeks into the program and adjust as necessary. It is easy to order the test online, and not expensive. It's very much worth doing.

i will not need to take hcg or clomid? or this is depend on the levels of estadriol?

 

[Bill Roberts]

It would be very advisable to use HCG throughout the cycle or through much of it, at 700-2000 IU total per week divided into at least 3 injections per week.

Clomid won't be necessary during the cycle, but for PCT, I would use 300 mg on Day 1 as either 100 mg three times or 50 mg six times, followed by 50 mg/day.

 

[mac111]

bill what would you say to the fact ive read that mast isnt very much more productive or necessary over 400mgs per week? and what would you reckon to var as an oral over dbol for the 2wk theory, or is it really only suited to big hitters like dbol and adrol? cheers

 

[Bill Roberts]

Well, it's puzzling to me that anyone would write that there's no point to Masteron past 400 mg/week, other than that there are some things which come out of historical reasons. (In this case, Masteron was expensive, came only as 100 mg/mL, and tended to be used for cutting, so 400 mg/week was about as high as anyone cared to go with out, back in the day.)

Absolutely for example 700 mg/week Masteron or 1000 mg/week is much more effective than 400 mg/week, and it can be affordable now.

This is when looking at it as the principal injectable. But for example if already using say 75 mg/day trenbolone, then much less difference would be seen from adding 400 mg/week Masteron versus a larger amount. Not because of properties of Masteron, but because of diminishing returns for the total.

On using oxandrolone, I don't look at it as a potential substitute for Dianabol or Anadrol, but instead as a potential substitute for injectables, though generally I'd say just to use the injectable. It's a unique oral in that way.

 

[mac111]

Well, it's puzzling to me that anyone would write that there's no point to Masteron past 400 mg/week, other than that there are some things which come out of historical reasons. (In this case, Masteron was expensive, came only as 100 mg/mL, and tended to be used for cutting, so 400 mg/week was about as high as anyone cared to go with out, back in the day.)

Absolutely for example 700 mg/week Masteron or 1000 mg/week is much more effective than 400 mg/week, and it can be affordable now.

This is when looking at it as the principal injectable. But for example if already using say 75 mg/day trenbolone, then much less difference would be seen from adding 400 mg/week Masteron versus a larger amount. Not because of properties of Masteron, but because of diminishing returns for the total.

On using oxandrolone, I don't look at it as a potential substitute for Dianabol or Anadrol, but instead as a potential substitute for injectables, though generally I'd say just to use the injectable. It's a unique oral in that way.

cheers Bill, i intend on giving mast a run in the near future and will report my findings. i might also do a dbol/drol cocktail with it (had great results with 50mg A and 20mg D before)

 

[Bill Roberts]

Please do!

With that, you should have good results!

 

[Reymak]

In this case, I think you will get excellent results without needing to add much to the 750 mg/week testosterone enanthate base.

A funny thing is that while it might be guessed that steroid dosing is extremely precise, actually dosages are typically based on round numbers of mL! And this works absolutely fine.

So the recommendation here is assuming the trenbolone enanthate is 200 mg/mL. As you're planning 750 mg/week of testosterone enanthate, I'm guessing your product will be 250 mg/mL, and you're planning on injecting 3x/week. If not, then things can be adjusted.

Adding 100 mg of trenbolone enanthate per injection is being pretty modest, yet will give a significant edge and will already move you up to just over a gram per week of injectables. Trenbolone-specific side effects are unlikely to appear at this dosage.

As you're already using a decent amount of testosterone, Dianabol doesn't need to be at the 50 mg/day level that ordinarily I'd prefer, when that's not the case. You could do fine with 30-40 mg/day.

This would put you at about the 1300 mg/week total level, which is quite solid. I think there is no way this would be insufficient or unsatisfactory for you.

If you were not using the Dianabol also, there would be a chance (no guarantee though) of the 750 mg/week testosterone usage not raising problematic issues with estrogen: adding in the Dianabol, that's still possible, but less likely. Letrozole 1 mg/day is a reasonable estimate with this amount of aromatizable steroid (about 1 gram per week), but I'd test estradiol levels two weeks into the program and adjust as necessary. It is easy to order the test online, and not expensive. It's very much worth doing.

Bill, what do you think about using Tren A and Test P in the beginning of the cycle, while waiting for the Tren E and Test E to kick-in? First week only? First two weeks? Front-loading the Tren A and Test P?

My thought is that six to eight weeks is relatively short cycle (I hear a lot of people doing 10, 12, 16 weeks +), so getting things going, so to speak, as soon as possible and maximizing the time spent (i.e., the 6-8 weeks) is important.

Also, with regards to the enanthate ester, shouldn't the Tren E and Test E be concluded at the end of week six, then wait for clearing until week nine, then begin PCT?

 

[Bill Roberts]

It can be done and is reasonable if already having those products on hand. But if not, there's no real reason to buy them just for that purpose: frontloading the enanthates works fine.

Meaning, the first injection is the usual ongoing amount plus, in this case, the amount that on average would be injected per 5 days.

So for example if taking 200 mg every other day for an average total weekly dosage of 700 mg/week, the frontload is 200 mg plus 500 mg, or 700 mg.

(It won't always work out as equal to the total weekly amount: it is only by chance that in this case it does.)

I prefer to use the general line of reasoning that you say and to have the number of weeks of the cycle refer to the total number of weeks where steroid levels are suppressive. But, the world hasn't been changed over to that way of thinking and so when people mean "8 weeks of injections" when talking about "8 week cycles," I understand what they mean and work with it.

But there is a lot to be said for figuring according to weeks of suppressive levels. And if short-acting esters are going to be used in only one part of a cycle, it's the end where they're best suited, as they allow prolonging use of full dosage for as long as possible within the time planned, and minimize the time spent in the "neither here not there" zone.

 

[Realgains]

you know, on reading realgains' posts in another thread (by the way, i'm quite glad to learn of his good results) i saw that he brings out a key point that i really don't bring out nearly enough.

Namely, it's impossible to train at peak "intensity" for a long period of time straight. Whatever level you can sustain for some lengthy number of weeks, you could have sustained a higher level for a shorter time.

This doesn't mean that every cycle has to be a 2-weeker, though it's key to having excellent success with a 2 week cycle.

It is one of the reasons though for a briefer period such as 8 weeks having a lot to be said for it.

On the original cycle, as already said, trenbolone will be a better choice for results and for recovery than deca.

I'd trim the cycle to 8 weeks. This will also enable doing the next cycle sooner.

yup

and see my reply here
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134307334

rg