Dr Scally or Bill Roberts Cycle Question

[mac111]

Hey guys,
in my first 3 cycles i put for pct,hcg 3x 1500 for one week and nolvadex for 3 weeks after..
on cycle proviron 50mg/ed
on cycle nolvadex 50mg/ed

in my last cycle,which was,"light" 500/mg boldenone/w for 10 weeks
proviron 50mg ed weeks 1-12
hcg 300mcg/3 times/week..weeks 2-11

clomid 300 mg first day and then 50 mg ed for 4 weeks
12-16 weeks...

50mgs ED nolva on cycle???!!! you should be using a low dose AI on cycle. 12.5 masin ED or .5mg adex EOD. nolva only stops binding, it doesnt do anything for the estro floating around in your system and 50mgs is waaaaay too much, 10mgs ED would have been enuf for me and im gyno prone

man, no offence but you seriously need to go to the drawing board, you dont know what you are doing

 

[Petgio]

50mgs ED nolva on cycle???!!! you should be using a low dose AI on cycle. 12.5 masin ED or .5mg adex EOD. nolva only stops binding, it doesnt do anything for the estro floating around in your system and 50mgs is waaaaay too much, 10mgs ED would have been enuf for me and im gyno prone

man, no offence but you seriously need to go to the drawing board, you dont know what you are doing

I plan only the last cycle..th3 3 first cycles, planned it for me at the gym...now after reading a lot i think, i know that,yeah that was bad cycles.
(sorry for my english ..)

 

[mac111]

I plan only the last cycle..th3 3 first cycles, planned it for me at the gym...now after reading a lot i think, i know that,yeah that was bad cycles.
(sorry for my english ..)

oh dear......

 

[Petgio]

First of all,
Thank you for the response Dr. Scally
Now,because i don't understand what exactly you said,can you recommend me a way to plan my cycle?

when i will take hcg,arimidex,nolvadex,clomid,or anything

Thank you!

Dr. Scally
Can you answer me please?

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Dr. Scally
Can you answer me please?

The simple answer, no. It would take too much time and space to plan out the use of these compounds. I highly suggest more reading, particularly in reference to AAS PK/PD and HPTA physiology.

I already provided much of the needed information:

What you and almost all cycling fail to consider is the half-lifes of the AAS administered. As long as their is a significant AAS presence, the HPTA is suppressed. In this case, using TE 750 MG/WEEK will provide a serum level about 7500 ng/dL at week 10. This is an estimate, but the value might be HIGHER or less, but not much less. For the very reason that underestimating is a real problem it is far better to use a HIGHER value. Using 10,000 ng/dL, it will take ~5 half-lifes (~30+ days) until the serum T is at a point the HPTA will "turn-on." It is at this point if hCG was used that SERM/AI use is optimal. There are other caveats, but this is the general rule of thumb.

AND ...
LABS
LABS
LABS

[BTW: I have treated well over 1000 AAS, prescription and nonprescription, users for AIH. ]

 

[Petgio]

The simple answer, no. It would take too much time and space to plan out the use of these compounds. I highly suggest more reading, particularly in reference to AAS PK/PD and HPTA physiology.

I already provided much of the needed information:

OK ,i will read,can you recommend to me ,web sites, or articles?

 

[Millard]

OK ,i will read,can you recommend to me ,web sites, or articles?

You can find everything you need to know about steroid here on MESO-Rx

Here are some good articles that provide an introduction to anabolic steroids, and tell you how to plan a steroid cycle, how to stack steroids, how to avoid steroid side effects, how to use hCG during a cycle and how to use Clomid and Nolvadex for post cycle therapy. I also highly recommend that you read every single steroid profile.

 

[Petgio]

You can find everything you need to know about steroid here on MESO-Rx

Here are some good articles that provide an introduction to anabolic steroids, and tell you how to plan a steroid cycle, how to stack steroids, how to avoid steroid side effects, how to use hCG during a cycle and how to use Clomid and Nolvadex for post cycle therapy. I also highly recommend that you read every single steroid profile.

Thank you very much!

 

[Bill Roberts]

You know, on reading realgains' posts in another thread (by the way, I'm quite glad to learn of his good results) I saw that he brings out a key point that I really don't bring out nearly enough.

Namely, it's impossible to train at peak "intensity" for a long period of time straight. Whatever level you can sustain for some lengthy number of weeks, you could have sustained a higher level for a shorter time.

This doesn't mean that every cycle has to be a 2-weeker, though it's key to having excellent success with a 2 week cycle.

It is one of the reasons though for a briefer period such as 8 weeks having a lot to be said for it.

On the original cycle, as already said, trenbolone will be a better choice for results and for recovery than Deca.

I'd trim the cycle to 8 weeks. This will also enable doing the next cycle sooner.

 

[Petgio]

You know, on reading realgains' posts in another thread (by the way, I'm quite glad to learn of his good results) I saw that he brings out a key point that I really don't bring out nearly enough.

Namely, it's impossible to train at peak "intensity" for a long period of time straight. Whatever level you can sustain for some lengthy number of weeks, you could have sustained a higher level for a shorter time.

This doesn't mean that every cycle has to be a 2-weeker, though it's key to having excellent success with a 2 week cycle.

It is one of the reasons though for a briefer period such as 8 weeks having a lot to be said for it.

On the original cycle, as already said, trenbolone will be a better choice for results and for recovery than Deca.

I'd trim the cycle to 8 weeks. This will also enable doing the next cycle sooner.

ok i will do it 8 weeks..when i have to start taking arimidex or nolvadex or clomid or hcg ?

 

[mac111]

You know, on reading realgains' posts in another thread (by the way, I'm quite glad to learn of his good results) I saw that he brings out a key point that I really don't bring out nearly enough.

Namely, it's impossible to train at peak "intensity" for a long period of time straight. Whatever level you can sustain for some lengthy number of weeks, you could have sustained a higher level for a shorter time.

This doesn't mean that every cycle has to be a 2-weeker, though it's key to having excellent success with a 2 week cycle.

It is one of the reasons though for a briefer period such as 8 weeks having a lot to be said for it.

On the original cycle, as already said, trenbolone will be a better choice for results and for recovery than Deca.

I'd trim the cycle to 8 weeks. This will also enable doing the next cycle sooner.

is the key here the fact that recovery can be expedited and for those of us on trt, the short sharp cycle is irrelevant? i was skeptical due to the fact that any time ive used tren or dbol, its been 2-3wks before ive noticed their effects. however, i certainly have not done tren as high as 100mg pd and am guessing the high (relative) dose is key?

thanks.

 

[Bill Roberts]

For trenbolone acetate, even 50 mg/day is commonly quite effective if stacked with Dianabol, and certainly 75/mg day is a solid dose, again if stacked properly, which can instead be with testosterone or Anadrol. The frontload should be twice the usual daily dosage.

For the enanthate, a higher dose is needed. 100 mg/day is a good amount. The frontload should be 500-600 mg, if using that dosage level.

With trenbolone enanthate, ifnot frontloading, or if not also having a good amount of Dianabol, Anadrol, or testosterone in addition to the trenbolone, indeed it will take a while to see much results. When working with powder, this usually isn't an issue, and when working with Finaplix H, it never is.

 

[mac111]

For trenbolone acetate, even 50 mg/day is commonly quite effective if stacked with Dianabol, and certainly 75/mg day is a solid dose, again if stacked properly, which can instead be with testosterone or Anadrol. The frontload should be twice the usual daily dosage.

For the enanthate, a higher dose is needed. 100 mg/day is a good amount. The frontload should be 500-600 mg, if using that dosage level.

With trenbolone enanthate, ifnot frontloading, or if not also having a good amount of Dianabol, Anadrol, or testosterone in addition to the trenbolone, indeed it will take a while to see much results. When working with powder, this usually isn't an issue, and when working with Finaplix H, it never is.

i would dearly love to try the tren a approach but have sworn off the stuff for the reason that i have a case of hyperhydrosis and tren really makes it completely uncontrollable and anything over 30mgs pd dbol gives me insane calf and back pumps (not good for deadlifting)

i am interested in compounds such as masteron and halo atm, as i am in training for a shot at a WPF world deadlift record. would these compounds lend themselves to your theory? i'd be willing to give it a shot. im a trt patient, on nebido 1000mg every 12wks and wouldnt be adding in anymore test on top.

thanks for any advice.

 

[caribeman]

ok....??

I know, inspiring isn't it?.....

 

[ergomaniac]

i would dearly love to try the tren a approach but have sworn off the stuff for the reason that i have a case of hyperhydrosis and tren really makes it completely uncontrollable and anything over 30mgs pd dbol gives me insane calf and back pumps (not good for deadlifting)

i am interested in compounds such as masteron and halo atm, as i am in training for a shot at a WPF world deadlift record. would these compounds lend themselves to your theory? i'd be willing to give it a shot. im a trt patient, on nebido 1000mg every 12wks and wouldnt be adding in anymore test on top.

thanks for any advice.

im kinda interested in this answer also not only for practical reasons but academic. the three steroids used seem to be tren, dbol, and test.
if using a non aromatizing steroid you could eliminate the ai like letro im guessing.
maybe stick to a simple serm for a short pct. forget hcg maybe. that would be the simplest. two drugs. steroid and serm. its says on the other thread post 25 anadrol alone would work. if im reading that right. any others. would any steroid work at a high enough dose. theoretically. ie dosage for dbol and drol different but relative.
the big points being using strong short acting steroids, at a high dose, relative to the drug of course, train hard and heavy, eat plenty and get lots of rest.

 

[ergomaniac]

I know, inspiring isn't it?.....

im in awe!

 

[Bill Roberts]

Masterone (drostanolone) propionate works fine as a substitute for a casual 2-week or other brief cycle.

I'm qualifying that with "casual" because it hasn't been tested so far as I know in serious use.

I expect though that 150 mg/day should work well for a serious cycle, if stacked with Dianabol. Worth a try!

 

[mac111]

Masterone (drostanolone) propionate works fine as a substitute for a casual 2-week or other brief cycle.

I'm qualifying that with "casual" because it hasn't been tested so far as I know in serious use.

I expect though that 150 mg/day should work well for a serious cycle, if stacked with Dianabol. Worth a try!

im new to mast and have read up that it is largely unnecessary to dose it much more than 400mg pw, where would you stand on that? and how would you feel about var as the oral?

thanks v much.

 

[Petgio]

Mr Bill Roberts can you plan for me an 8cycle with 750 mg EW test e.
trenbolone e. and dianabol?

When i have to start taking hcg or nolva or clomid or arimidex?

thank you?

 

[Bill Roberts]

How much trenbolone and Dianabol will really depend on how aggressive you want or need to be.

750 mg/week of testosterone enanthate is a good beginning cycle and usually can continue allowing good gains until having at least 20 lb more LBM than prior to steroid use (there is no exact figure true for everyone -- the number is for illustration only!)

On the other hand, if already being very experienced with such levels, then another cycle of the same likely will accomplish little.

What cycles have you done before? What were your results, comparing condition shortly after the cycle to condition shortly after the previous cycle? Or comparing peak to peak, if that's easier to figure or is more important to you.