Dynamite Raws (International & US Domestic)

[Clamslaps]

Ah good old tren heads arguing politics

Bruh fuck you the tren isn't making me angry I only screamed at my wife today because she kept taking my blanket then cried because I wondered if I got too mad then sat apathetic in the shower for an hour before coming here to unload all my pent up feelings. It's the blanket stealing.

 

[ExtremePIP]

Thank you everyone, so there definitely have been some delays with some people’s packages and to say there were none would be some BS.
These delays have started since the end of March (referenced far back in my thread) - where there would be 1-2 packs a month that would sit and not move “in transit” or it would sit in “preshipment”. This has kept going till now, and it's really annoying haha.
I'm trying my best, but there are going to be delays here and there but minimal.

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[muscletrain]

Ah good old tren heads arguing politics

No tren here in trying to delay the plaque accumulation into dementia as long as I can so I'll just batter my liver with orals and test. 200IQ

 

[2019SIERRA.AT4]

The hell are you smoking do you know how many states have had mail in voting for years? You can't just fake and or double up on mail in voting. Trump doesn't want mail in voting because ease of access to voting is rh death knell of the GOP. It's why voting stations get moved and or shut down in more impoverished areas. Can't do voter suppression effectively it people all get to mail in vote.

You'd get a more genuine tally of votes with the ease of access of mail in voting for all states not just a select few. Hell he voted by mail himself ?

Anyways dyna seems like he's quality and I'm looking forward to checking out his Canadian option

You would be smoking something to believe both sides would not try to cook up ways to tamper the votes. Yes a couple states have mail in options but you would be talking on a mass scale in this case. States with large impoverished areas not a big deal because those states are already heavy democrats. Most Dems are not crazy about their candidate this election. Biden’s there by default.

Dyna is a really cool dude. His raws test good. His raws Test Pretty well.

 

[GrowingSeason36]

If a mail in vote is safe and accurate then buying guns by mail should be allowed too right? I mean obviously no one would try to fraud the system, so if voting is safe that way buying guns obviously is too right?

 

[GrowingSeason36]

And no not looking for a political debate.. point is no one would ever think buying guns via mail is safe. But voting is just as important so why would we just assume that the mail in votes are all accurate and not falsified. Just something to think about.

 

[Rival]

And no not looking for a political debate.. point is no one would ever think buying guns via mail is safe. But voting is just as important so why would we just assume that the mail in votes are all accurate and not falsified. Just something to think about.

if they can loot and riot in person, they can vote in person. Also, absentee ballots are not the same as mail in voting by any stretch. It will be a shit show.

 

[FlyGuy3232]

And no not looking for a political debate.. point is no one would ever think buying guns via mail is safe. But voting is just as important so why would we just assume that the mail in votes are all accurate and not falsified. Just something to think about.

All guns bought online, which is probably over half these days, are shipped via mail.

Dealer shipments from distributors are also received via major mail carriers.

Millions of guns every year. Always has been this way.

 

[Rival]

All guns bought online, which is probably over half these days, are shipped via mail.

Yes and no. You can’t just order a legit firearm and have it shipped to your house. Requires it be shipped to a federally licensed FFL dealer from a licensed FFL which will then transfer the firearm to you in person via a NICs and background. Weapons aren’t exactly shipped standard mail. You can’t even request tracking and they don’t show up as standard packages.

 

[FlyGuy3232]

Yes and no. You can’t just order a legit firearm and have it shipped to your house. Requires it be shipped to a federally licensed FFL dealer from a licensed FFL which will then transfer the firearm to you in person via a NICs and background. Weapons aren’t exactly shipped standard mail. You can’t even request tracking and they don’t show up as standard packages.

Wow its amazing how wrong almost everything you said was.

Nobody said anything about having it shipped to your house lol. Its not even part of this conversation. The NICS process isn't anything novel and its been the same process for decades.

Anyone can ship to a dealer. There is zero requirement that the source be a dealer for any reason.

Yes, they are shipped via USPS, Fedex, and USPS. There is nothing special about them besides in USPS it must be priority. Its "standard" mail. Whatever the fuck you meant by that anyway.

Tracking numbers are customarily sent to the purchaser these days and have been for years. It has always been that way and there is no prohibition against it.

 

[FlyGuy3232]

Mail voting has its own set of risks however and they shouldn't be generally applied to other items that have a completely different set of regulations applied to.

That anyone would consider the two comparable apart from being representative of how unreliable USPS is only demonstrates how ignorant a person is on the topic of mass mail voting.

 

[muscletrain]

No idea how the shipping guns and voting by mail is even a valid point. The biggest issue with the US is voter turnout and voting by mail is not just some unchecked process where those magic illegals of 3 million which was proven false from last election somehow register, have a ballot shipped to their residence and fraudentlg vote happens. It's worked just fine for years. You also can't vote by mail and show up and vote in person etc as it's easily checked and also illegal. The scariest part of vote by mail is it eliminates the ability to suppress voters in certain areas and also makes it much easier for the working poor to vote the fact that it's not just a holiday so everyone can go vote baffles me.

I see zero issue with voting by mail unless you're not educated on the subject or you fear it may be detrimental to "your team"

 

[Clamslaps]

If a mail in vote is safe and accurate then buying guns by mail should be allowed too right? I mean obviously no one would try to fraud the system, so if voting is safe that way buying guns obviously is too right?

Y-... you can buy guns through the mail.

 

[Rival]

Wow its amazing how wrong almost everything you said was.

I’m not disagreeing with you in the comparison, I think mail in voting will be a shit show. I’m telling you the process in my state, there is nothing incorrect about how I stated it’s done, your understanding is incorrect. I simply cannot take my gun and ship it to an FFL, there needs to be a 3rd party FFL. Someone made it seem that buying a gun is as simple as throwing it in the mail. I was more or less replying to them and quoting you or misread w/e regardless I’m correct... I’ve been buying them via gunbroker in this manner for over 8 years now. So let me know where I’m wrong because apparently I am?

UPS:
Handguns, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921, will be accepted for transportation only via UPS Next Day Air Services, specifically, UPS Next Day Air® Early, UPS Next Day Air®, and UPS Next Day Air Saver®. (Note: UPS Express Critical™ Service is not available for firearms).

ATF source:
May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-through-us-postal-service

USPS POLICY:
12.1.2 Handguns
[Revise 12.1.2 as follows:]
Handguns and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in 12.1.3 and 12.1.5 after the filing of an affidavit or statement required by 12.1.4 and 12.1.6, and are subject to the following:

a. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 12.1.1b, and the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 may be mailed between curio and relic collectors only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 12.1.1g.

b. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 12.1.1b that are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum that exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest may be accepted for mailing without regard to 12.1.3 through 12.1.6.

c. Air guns that do not fall within the definition of firearm under 12.1.1a that are capable of being concealed on a person are mailable; but must include adult signature service under 503.8.0. Mailers must comply with all applicable state and local regulations.

d. Parts of handguns are mailable, except for handgun frames, receivers, or other parts or components regulated under Chapter 44, Title 18, U.S.C.

e. Mailers are also subject to applicable restrictions by governments of a state, territory, or district.

12.1.3 Authorized Persons

[Revise introductory sentence of 12.1.3 as follows:]

Subject to 12.1.4, handguns may be mailed by a licensed manufacturer of firearms, a licensed dealer of firearms, a licensed importer of firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government or the government of a state, territory, or district, only when addressed to a person in one of the following categories for use in the person’s official duties:

* * * * *

https://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2011/pb22321/html/updt_001.htm

tracking numbers are not sent due to the potential of tampering at least from my online purchases via gunbroker. Not a single FFL has ever provided me with one. Packages are in your name but addressed to the FFL. Not sure where your temper tantrum came from but chillax

 

[ExtremePIP]

Sorry, don’t mean to interrupt haha, I am reading from the sidelines!

Here are a few recent test reports:

 

[FlyGuy3232]

I’m not disagreeing with you in the comparison, I think mail in voting will be a shit show. I’m telling you the process in my state, there is nothing incorrect about how I stated it’s done, your understanding is incorrect. I simply cannot take my gun and ship it to an FFL, there needs to be a 3rd party FFL. Someone made it seem that buying a gun is as simple as throwing it in the mail. I was more or less replying to them and quoting you or misread w/e regardless I’m correct... I’ve been buying them via gunbroker in this manner for over 8 years now. So let me know where I’m wrong because apparently I am?

UPS:
Handguns, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921, will be accepted for transportation only via UPS Next Day Air Services, specifically, UPS Next Day Air® Early, UPS Next Day Air®, and UPS Next Day Air Saver®. (Note: UPS Express Critical™ Service is not available for firearms).

ATF source:
May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-through-us-postal-service

USPS POLICY:
12.1.2 Handguns
[Revise 12.1.2 as follows:]
Handguns and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in 12.1.3 and 12.1.5 after the filing of an affidavit or statement required by 12.1.4 and 12.1.6, and are subject to the following:

a. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 12.1.1b, and the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 may be mailed between curio and relic collectors only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 12.1.1g.

b. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 12.1.1b that are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum that exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest may be accepted for mailing without regard to 12.1.3 through 12.1.6.

c. Air guns that do not fall within the definition of firearm under 12.1.1a that are capable of being concealed on a person are mailable; but must include adult signature service under 503.8.0. Mailers must comply with all applicable state and local regulations.

d. Parts of handguns are mailable, except for handgun frames, receivers, or other parts or components regulated under Chapter 44, Title 18, U.S.C.

e. Mailers are also subject to applicable restrictions by governments of a state, territory, or district.

12.1.3 Authorized Persons

[Revise introductory sentence of 12.1.3 as follows:]

Subject to 12.1.4, handguns may be mailed by a licensed manufacturer of firearms, a licensed dealer of firearms, a licensed importer of firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government or the government of a state, territory, or district, only when addressed to a person in one of the following categories for use in the person’s official duties:

* * * * *

https://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2011/pb22321/html/updt_001.htm

tracking numbers are not sent due to the potential of tampering at least from my online purchases via gunbroker. Not a single FFL has ever provided me with one. Packages are in your name but addressed to the FFL. Not sure where your temper tantrum came from but chillax

You said guns in general. Not handguns. And you said regular mail.

All those services are regular mail.

And no, I've received tracking numbers more times than I want to say from both retailers and private parties via places like gunbroker. Its common and legal.

 

[GrowingSeason36]

All guns bought online, which is probably over half these days, are shipped via mail.

Dealer shipments from distributors are also received via major mail carriers.

Millions of guns every year. Always has been this way.

When you buy a gun online what is process though, I know guns are bought online.. I didn’t say buy online and shipped.. I said by mail.. so mail money to a gun store write your name down so they know it can only be for you and they mail you the gun., buying online you still have to do background checks.

 

[GrowingSeason36]

I mean if I buy a gun via mail and write your name it has to be for you right? I couldn’t possibly put the wrong information.

 

[GrowingSeason36]

U get the point if I’m just writing information and mailing it to think it can’t be fraudulent Is naive ... and I feel voting by mail is similar... that’s all .. to each their own..

 

[FlyGuy3232]

U get the point if I’m just writing information and mailing it to think it can’t be fraudulent Is naive ... and I feel voting by mail is similar... that’s all .. to each their own..

There are ways to ensure the fidelity of a vote by mail but frankly those systems aren't generally being used.

It would far easier to do it electronically anyway. And far more secure even compared to in person voting.