MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Do you know how old @ironwill1951 is? Smh...and this is exactly why I started this thread! I want to separate myth from reality based on real life evidences, if such really exist.
I was on team building sync at Charlotte, NC last week and met some of my colleagues for first time. While I have spoken with all of them many times and have seen their pictures, I was terrified to find I am the older member of the team. Now I come to find I am about the only one over 55 on this board. Looks like my family doctor was (partially) right when he said early last year "Your don't feel happy because... you're getting old". Thanks God I did not believe him
It is a human nature to look back and feel the nostalgia for the days when we felt on the top of the world. It also true we well, that as we age, the desperation to "turn back the clock" overcomes our common senses. HGH as such is not an exception.
Frankly, i did not elected to try HGH in search of "fountain of youth". I did because... I can afford it, simple as that. Sales pitch as "Faster nails growth, better sleep, better skin appearance, improved well being" means nothing to me. Those are all subjective assessments sometimes borderline with placebo effect and wishful thinking - "I've paid shitload of money and my nails are definitely growing faster, hence I did not waste my money". Yeah...
And then, there is science. I have researched the subject of hormones long before I had my first "pin". Around two years, to be exact. I did subscribed to medical journals, both paper and online. Occasionally I have discussions with authors for better understanding the scopes and goals of particular studies. I challenge, in my mind, every claim of "breakthrough research" and never, ever take claims on non scientific discussion forums (like this one) for granted. So should you, by the way...
My conclusion is "the fountain of youth" is maintaining balanced essential hormonal levels, ideally in the upper 95% for particular age group.
Here is one interesting graph from reputable source - effect of declining HGH production on IGF-1 levels.
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...and in easy to read table:
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In my case, my baseline IFG-1 of 96 (May 2016) puts me below the median level of 85-90 years old.
Testosterone:
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In my case, my baseline Total Testosterone of 334 (May 2016) puts me in the lowest 5% of my age group. Ironically, the table below makes me 100 years old.
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Anyhow, different labs, different methods, reference ranges etc. And yet, the sad truth is - I did felt as 80 years old (minus shitting in bed while sleeping). And besides feeling old physically, the quality of life simply was not there. Indeed, my family Dr decided "You are depressed" and try to push SSRI (not surprisingly, I have new physician now).
Before beginning of the journey:
Weight: 207lb
Body Fat: 28%
Visceral Fat - 13 (whatever this number is)
Testosterone Total: 334 (250-827)
Testosterone Free: 6.8 (7.2-24)
IGF-1: 96 (50-317)
Everything else was withing reference ranges, including Thyroid panel, Estradiol etc.
On April 15, I've made drastic change in my diet. No starch, no simple carbs, no fats, lean protein only, no carbonated drinks.
On May1, 2016 ordered Fitbit tracker for my wife and myself, and Fitbit scale and signet for the gym.
I've had my first 1IU HGH on May 21, 2016 (1x1IU am and pm), and my first shot Testosterone Cypionate on May 27, 2016 (50mg twice a weekl, Monday am, Thursday 5pm)
Here is visual representation of seven and half months of healthy diet plus putting my essential hormones levels in ~40 years old healthy male
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***Note that single point impedance method fat measure is totally non-reliable and it is good for "trend only", not real measurement. My current BF is 11.9% (Caliper method, media of three measures by experienced gym trainer).
As you can see, I have achieved incredible fat loss compared to little to none lean mass loss.
Current stats:
Weight: 168lb
Body Fat: 11.9%
Visceral Fat - 5 (whatever this number is)
Testosterone Total: 1049 (348-1197 LabCop) which corresponds to about 800 (334 (250-827 Quest))
Testosterone Free: 38.81 (5-21 LabCorp) vs 6.8 (7.2-24 Quest) baseline
IGF-1: 170 (61-200 LabCorp) vs 96 (50-317 Quest) baseline
My goal now it to raise IGF-1 to 200-240 by upping HGH to 2x2IU daily. let see what happens in a month...
Here gets interesting - the interpretation of the results. Can one say HGH alone is the main factor of weight and fat loss - no. Was it raising the Testosterone levels alone - no. Was it the clean diet alone - to some extend, but so dramatic... not likely.
The only logical conclusion for me - all of the above. To me, restoring balanced hormonal level to (somewhat) youthful level was the key. The above is measurable i.e. tangible result. The other (intelligible) like restored energy level, faster post-workout recovery, overall well being, restored libido, returned morning wood and so on are subjective and I will not pound on.
I am interested in your opinion. There are many different opinions and I do not claim to be 100% correct in my conclusions.
That's my story and I am sticking to it
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In the next post I will talk about my wife's results.
. Scared shirtless of waking up the beast. This how it was until October 2016 (see below)
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I am going to bring this bullshit here where it belongsAllrighty then... Ain't that fun...
@Roco Bama : I have switched to 4IU on March 14 (the day I've got my lab test result). Will do new lab on April 15. As I stated before, my goal is to maintain 220-240 for as long I can afford it. Such level would put me in the upper 95% of my age group. My baseline IGF-1 shows for whatever reason the natural HGH production declined faster/lower then statistical average for 55 old and while I could make an effort to find why, I don't see the rationale of doing so. If after April 15 I register 200, will up to 5IU. If it is 300, will go down to 3.5IU and so on. I hope that make sense to you.
@Just Fish : I agree - ignorance is a bliss and as everyone can see now, it runs wild not only within humanity, but wildlife as well, including marine one...
In my estimate, it should have taken about 24 hours before pushers/snake oil salesman's to come out of the woodwork. Well, I've underestimated that and will take a note of it.
I have to confess - along the wiliness to share result and experience, I was (a weakness of mine) conducting a social experiment. I wanted to see what would happen if I challenge the (religious) believes of specific social group, bodybuilders in this case.
1. Yes, everyone reacts/is affected by drugs differently. Human body is a complex machine and as with every complex mechanism, altering one component affects the overall performance and and in general, the purpose of said mechanism. Take a mechanical clock for example. Change the tension of the spring and the from time piece you turn it to "ticking" piece. Change a gear, and now you have "jewelry" in shape of a clock. From this prospective, It always fascinated me why people want to unnaturally alter parts of the "machine" in pursuit of perfection. I come, I read, I don't understand, I am done.
2. The fact I have a theory makes me... Homo Sapiens (to spare you an aneurysm - Homo Sapiens = Man Having Sense). Note it does not make me a "Wise Man", but rather one who learns progressively. Which brings us to #3
3. I've joined this forum with hope to learn form other's experience, not "to find a cheap source" as you assume. Then, I've decided to be a contributing member as well, because one should not only take, but give as well in order to restore the balance in the Force. And... before long, the Sith have reviled him self
4. To brand my theory "half ass" without challenging the basis of it does not bring any value whatsoever. it only makes one questioning your motives...
5. How I spent my money is not of anyone's interest, yours included. The fact I look for the best balance of value/result makes me smart, not cheap
Lastly, bringing my wife's ass in to this is low, very low for even for bodybuilder. Let's leave it at that, shall we?
To conclude this - this is going nowhere. I don't see value continuing this crap. I don't sell anything (besides my professional IT consulting services for $275/hour), I don't push anything in order to get a cut, I will never advice anyone to self destruct.
Ask and you shall receive.
I am uploading a current price list of just one source in Asia. Let see how long it will last before it is taken down by you or your buddies. Hope next time any of you who want to throw your hard earn money to the sharks (or fishes), stop and think for a minute. Or better... 15 minutes on Internet can save you 75% or more on your peptides.
Good luck and godspeed.
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It's obvious you cannot afford it lmao. You are ordering unknown Chinese peptides you fucking clown. Take your stupid shit elsewhere...and this is exactly why I started this thread! I want to separate myth from reality based on real life evidences, if such really exist.
I was on team building sync at Charlotte, NC last week and met some of my colleagues for first time. While I have spoken with all of them many times and have seen their pictures, I was terrified to find I am the older member of the team. Now I come to find I am about the only one over 55 on this board. Looks like my family doctor was (partially) right when he said early last year "Your don't feel happy because... you're getting old". Thanks God I did not believe him
It is a human nature to look back and feel the nostalgia for the days when we felt on the top of the world. It also true we well, that as we age, the desperation to "turn back the clock" overcomes our common senses. HGH as such is not an exception.
Frankly, i did not elected to try HGH in search of "fountain of youth". I did because... I can afford it, simple as that. Sales pitch as "Faster nails growth, better sleep, better skin appearance, improved well being" means nothing to me. Those are all subjective assessments sometimes borderline with placebo effect and wishful thinking - "I've paid shitload of money and my nails are definitely growing faster, hence I did not waste my money". Yeah...
And then, there is science. I have researched the subject of hormones long before I had my first "pin". Around two years, to be exact. I did subscribed to medical journals, both paper and online. Occasionally I have discussions with authors for better understanding the scopes and goals of particular studies. I challenge, in my mind, every claim of "breakthrough research" and never, ever take claims on non scientific discussion forums (like this one) for granted. So should you, by the way...
My conclusion is "the fountain of youth" is maintaining balanced essential hormonal levels, ideally in the upper 95% for particular age group.
Here is one interesting graph from reputable source - effect of declining HGH production on IGF-1 levels.
View attachment 64445
...and in easy to read table:
View attachment 64446
In my case, my baseline IFG-1 of 96 (May 2016) puts me below the median level of 85-90 years old.
Testosterone:
View attachment 64447
In my case, my baseline Total Testosterone of 334 (May 2016) puts me in the lowest 5% of my age group. Ironically, the table below makes me 100 years old.
View attachment 64448
Anyhow, different labs, different methods, reference ranges etc. And yet, the sad truth is - I did felt as 80 years old (minus shitting in bed while sleeping). And besides feeling old physically, the quality of life simply was not there. Indeed, my family Dr decided "You are depressed" and try to push SSRI (not surprisingly, I have new physician now).
Before beginning of the journey:
Weight: 207lb
Body Fat: 28%
Visceral Fat - 13 (whatever this number is)
Testosterone Total: 334 (250-827)
Testosterone Free: 6.8 (7.2-24)
IGF-1: 96 (50-317)
Everything else was withing reference ranges, including Thyroid panel, Estradiol etc.
On April 15, I've made drastic change in my diet. No starch, no simple carbs, no fats, lean protein only, no carbonated drinks.
On May1, 2016 ordered Fitbit tracker for my wife and myself, and Fitbit scale and signet for the gym.
I've had my first 1IU HGH on May 21, 2016 (1x1IU am and pm), and my first shot Testosterone Cypionate on May 27, 2016 (50mg twice a weekl, Monday am, Thursday 5pm)
Here is visual representation of seven and half months of healthy diet plus putting my essential hormones levels in ~40 years old healthy male
View attachment 64449
***Note that single point impedance method fat measure is totally non-reliable and it is good for "trend only", not real measurement. My current BF is 11.9% (Caliper method, media of three measures by experienced gym trainer).
As you can see, I have achieved incredible fat loss compared to little to none lean mass loss.
Current stats:
Weight: 168lb
Body Fat: 11.9%
Visceral Fat - 5 (whatever this number is)
Testosterone Total: 1049 (348-1197 LabCop) which corresponds to about 800 (334 (250-827 Quest))
Testosterone Free: 38.81 (5-21 LabCorp) vs 6.8 (7.2-24 Quest) baseline
IGF-1: 170 (61-200 LabCorp) vs 96 (50-317 Quest) baseline
My goal now it to raise IGF-1 to 200-240 by upping HGH to 2x2IU daily. let see what happens in a month...
Here gets interesting - the interpretation of the results. Can one say HGH alone is the main factor of weight and fat loss - no. Was it raising the Testosterone levels alone - no. Was it the clean diet alone - to some extend, but so dramatic... not likely.
The only logical conclusion for me - all of the above. To me, restoring balanced hormonal level to (somewhat) youthful level was the key. The above is measurable i.e. tangible result. The other (intelligible) like restored energy level, faster post-workout recovery, overall well being, restored libido, returned morning wood and so on are subjective and I will not pound on.
I am interested in your opinion. There are many different opinions and I do not claim to be 100% correct in my conclusions.
That's my story and I am sticking to it
View attachment 64450
In the next post I will talk about my wife's results.
) Yes, as some of you might have noticed, English is not my first language (it is my forth to be precise) and this is because I came 20 years ago from Europe as migrant. Ughm, no, Trump can not throw my "immigrant ass off of the country" although nothing prevents you from dreaming about it... Anyhow, in my culture, we care of our (extended) family the best way we can as long as we can and so, instead of spending ~$100 a day for 7IU (4 for me and 3 for my lovely wife as of now) Pharma, I do what a good son would - spend as much as I can to provide the best care (medical and otherwise) for my mother. If only she have agreed to come living with us... but this is different story.
why are you bashing him like that. he didn't even offend you ? have some dignity bro, this guy is old enough to be your father.
Not only was he offending me but he was trying to trash on other members and brag about he rich he was. If you read the beginning of my post you would have noticed I brought this bullshit here so it didn't clutter up useful threads.
My interest is in your posts with pages of bullshit in good threads. My suspicion was obviously warranted, you have some sort of vested interest.
Another example of your stupidity. I meant exactly what I said. If you have no vested interest here you will take my advice.Ironically, but unintentionally you you've made correct observation - "...Take your fucking immigrant bullshit to some hormone replacement forum..." LMAO, i bet you meant ignorant (wander why "ignorance" is your favorite attack word, Freudian slip perhaps?
You polluted two great threads with your bullshit long before I came along. Now you decide to not pollute this shit thread lmao
