Elite fitness pct guide line

illuminatty

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I'm so confused as elite fiends members think clomid and nolva are garbage. They all use need to build products for pct.

Why is there such a differing pct protocol between 2 sites??

I was reading on their site and they do their pct with need to build products it's like they have a boner for need to build products? (I may be being suspicious of them pushing n2bm).
 
I'm so confused as elite fiends members think clomid and nolva are garbage. They all use need to build products for pct.

Why is there such a differing pct protocol between 2 sites??

I was reading on their site and they do their pct with need to build products it's like they have a boner for need to build products? (I may be being suspicious of them pushing n2bm).

I don't understand. What do they use? What are "need to build products"?
 
I'm so confused as elite fiends members think clomid and nolva are garbage. They all use need to build products for pct.

Why is there such a differing pct protocol between 2 sites??

I was reading on their site and they do their pct with need to build products it's like they have a boner for need to build products? (I may be being suspicious of them pushing n2bm).

Lmao they can't be serious...[:o)]
 
I'm so confused as elite fiends members think clomid and nolva are garbage. They all use need to build products for pct.

Why is there such a differing pct protocol between 2 sites??

I was reading on their site and they do their pct with need to build products it's like they have a boner for need to build products? (I may be being suspicious of them pushing n2bm).

Are you being serious? NTBM own Elite. That site is a giant advertisement for NTBM's garbage herbal supplements. Avoid it like the plague.

CBS
 
This is their pct protocol
Use n2bm hcgenerate
Forma stanzol
Other product called post cycle
N2bm unleashed (I have this)
And n2bm bridge
 
I believe it is a brand of natural herbal PCT products.

Clomid and Nolva are garbage compared to these herbs [:o)]

Indeed it is. Expect Contagion to chime in at any moment, extolling the virtues of this snake oil.



This is their main PCT product:
[BTW - it is $75 bucks for 6 days of this garbage!!!]


HCGenerate


Stand Alone Test Booster. On Cycle Support. The missing piece to your Post Cycle Therapy!

HCGenerate is a natural testosterone booster that stimulates the body’s own production of testosterone.

It is unlike many other herbal test boosters, in that it targets one of the primary causes of low test levels!

HCGenerate uses fadogia agrestis as one of the active ingredients to stimulate the leydig cells. As men age, the leydig cells activity decreases, putting strain on the pituitary gland- which in turn causes low levels of testosterone production. As the leydig cells are stimulated, the pituitary can begin to function at a normal pace and produce a higher concentration of both free testosterone and total serum levels.

The advantage to using HCGenerate on cycle is that it reduces HPTA shutdown by keeping the leydig cells stimulated, and makes transition into Post Cycle Therapy very smooth. Use of exogenous testosterone or harsh oral cycles puts the body’s natural production to a halt and causes erectile dysfunction, elevated estrogen levels, and in a lot of cases could cost you the hard earned gains achieved on cycle. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin or HCG is often used by body builders to minimize HPTA shutdown. This also allows for our libido to remain unaffected on cycle, and in many cases increases libido. The downside to using this compound is that it is illegal and must be administered via a subcutaneous injection several times weekly.

HCGenerate with fadogia agrestis stem extract can also be used as a stand-alone testosterone booster to help elevate natural test levels!

The addition of Tribulus Terrestris and Zinc are to help the body produce at its peak levels. When you hit the gym hard, you don’t want to half ass it! You want to get in there, kill it and get out! The added aggression in the gym is there to help you break plateaus and set new records!

Let’s talk about recovery. We’ve covered the issue natural test production after using anabolics but what about your post cycle therapy? While your body is reaching homeostasis,

HCGenerate with fadogia agrestis stem extract can help to improve your HDL, which is often compromised on oral cycles.

It also will help to stimulate the natural production of testosterone, helping bring natural levels back to normal fast so you can keep your gains. Libido normally suffers when test production is shut down, so again stimulation of natural production of test signaled in the pituitary helps to keep your performance at a maximum.

Spare yourself the legal issues, and put less stress on your body’s endocrine system!

Highlights:

· Helps prevent erectile dysfunction
· May help keep muscle gains
· Assists in liver function
· Promotes better mood and feelings of well being
· Prevents rapid reductions in IGF
. Prevents shut down while on cycle
. Promotes natural testosterone production
· Improves HDL
· TOTALLY Legal
· NO injections

Get the most out of your gains and the most out of your libido! This is truly a 3 in 1 innovative product available only from Need To Build Muscle!

"These statements have not been evaluated by the Food & Drug Administration (FDA). This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease."

Servings size 5 caps

Servings per container 30

each serving contains

Fadogia Agrestis 1000mg

Fenugreek PE Extracted 50% 1000mg

3,4 Divanillytahydrofuran 500mg

Bulgarain Tribulus Terrestris 500mg

Vitamin E 200mg

LJ:100 100mg

zinc 7mg


** Percent Daily Values not established.

"These statements have not been evaluated by the Food & Drug Administration (FDA). This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease."

HCGenerate Warning:
Consult your physician before using this product. It is not intended for use by individuals under 18 years of age or woman. Do not use or combine with other dietary supplements. Do not use if you have or are being treated for prostate hypertrophy, cancer, heart, liver, cardiovascular, kidney, thyroid disease, high blood pressure, low HDL, taking antidepressants, MAO inhibitors, or any other prescription drugs. Do not exceed suggested servings. Do not exceed 12 weeks continuous use. Possible side effects may include: acne, heightened sex drive, and increased levels of testosterone.

- See more at: HCGenerate with Fadogia Agrestis.The most powerful sex drive increasing , shut down preventing on cycle support product ever created.
 
What a bunch of fucking bullshit. Buy a cycle and get a pack of pheromones that will have supermodels chasing you. Contaigen in 10, 9, 8...
 
Just read through everything. They are saying typically when using nolva and clomid people lose gains but using all those combined it lessens the loss of gains.

The research on forma stanzol seems pretty good and it isn't n2bm product.
 
Just read through everything. They are saying typically when using nolva and clomid people lose gains but using all those combined it lessens the loss of gains.

The research on forma stanzol seems pretty good and it isn't n2bm product.

I really don't lose lbm gains... water maybe but I want to lose it... so this helps you retain water?
 
Not sure as I have never taken hcgenerate. Reading some other forums and generally and surprisingly they have decent reviews.

Is protein factory related to elite fitness as well?
 
For a long time over there standard PCT protocols were recommended. Sometime ago, nolva and clomid became garbage. One day they worked fine, the next day they didn't. Many mods and vets still recommended them however. Recently, nolva and clomid have became OK again to use in PCT. You can look around and draw your own conclusions about that pretty easily. :)

I've been a fan of Nolvadex (not really clomid) for a long time. I don't do PCT anymore since I am on TRT for over 3 years now, but I recommend hcg on cycle, up to PCT, then Nolva (clomid if you feel you need it or if you like it) and an AI (I like Aromasin). I think to recover from a typical 12-16 week cycle a 4 week PCT is quite a bit hopeful. You really think you can suppress your HPTA for 12-16 weeks and recover it in 4? Maybe if you are 22, but really not even then. And if you are 42? LOL! Right!

I like to recommend drugs for 6 to even possibly 8 weeks, tapering down, and adding in a natural test booster or two (pick your favorites). HCGenerate has a lot of good reviews, and even from a few vets that I know and know wouldn't BS it for whatever reason (ie. free or discounted product). It is what it is. It's a natty test booster. It has ingredients that have some science behind them like the 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran (nettle root extract lignan). But it is pretty fucking expensive. I've noticed the price fluctuate from $55 to $75 (currently) for a 30 day supply. Pretty sure this was just an experiment to determine a threshold to maximize profit while still being able to sell enough to not effect overall revenues too much. For example, if you sell 100 bottles at $20 profit vs. 50 bottles at $40 profit...you worked half as hard for the same profit, and revenues were the same (in this simple example).

You can get a bottle of Solaray nettle root extract for about $10 or so. That basically binds SHBG to increase free T. But you still need to boost natty T and LH/FSH. That's what the Fadogia, LongJack, Fenugreek PE and Tribulus are supposed to do. I don't think Trib does much at all for this and is an unnecessary ingredient, but it's been in these formulas so long if it wasn't in product A and it was in product B, people would buy product B just because it had trib in it. As expensive as these all in one products are sometimes, it would be worth it to do the math when looking at buying ingredients you like separately.

Anyway, find a natty T/LH/FSH booster that you like (or make your own) and hopefully does something beyond placebo and run it for another 6-8 weeks. You can add DAA or whatever the latest greatest thing is too. Or just stick to drugs only...but if the natty stuff helps boost test or LH/FSH even a little, why not use it? As long as it doesn't cost as much as a cycle or more! :D
 
This is their pct protocol
Use n2bm hcgenerate
Forma stanzol
Other product called post cycle
N2bm unleashed (I have this)
And n2bm bridge

Unleashed and Post Cycle are not NTBM products. They are made by (or for) Protein Factory. And no, PF is not related to EF or NTBM other than marketing same products.

Just read through everything. They are saying typically when using nolva and clomid people lose gains but using all those combined it lessens the loss of gains.

The research on forma stanzol seems pretty good and it isn't n2bm product.

Correct, FormaStanzol is a MRSupps product. MRSupps used to be an advertiser on EF until January, 2014. They will most likely never be back unless things change starting from the very top...and that has a snowball's chance in hell of happening.

Not sure as I have never taken hcgenerate. Reading some other forums and generally and surprisingly they have decent reviews.

Is protein factory related to elite fitness as well?

I will say that HCGenerate at one point accounted for probably about 80% or more of ntbm's total sales. I guess their N2Guard has become a pretty big seller now as well.

I took HCGen once and it did seem to keep my nuts pretty plump, and I did have some blood work done and my SHBG was quite low on it. I think I was on my TRT so Serum T levels wouldn't matter. and of course being on TRT my LH/FSH was tanked. But I don't really care about any of that. I use Solaray nettle root extract now to keep SHBG low. Plus it is supposed to be good for the prostate. I don't have trouble with mine but I am over 40, so I am hoping that an ounce of prevention...
 
This is their pct protocol
Use n2bm hcgenerate
Forma stanzol
Other product called post cycle
N2bm unleashed (I have this)
And n2bm bridge

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For a long time over there standard PCT protocols were recommended. Sometime ago, nolva and clomid became garbage. One day they worked fine, the next day they didn't. Many mods and vets still recommended them however. Recently, nolva and clomid have became OK again to use in PCT. You can look around and draw your own conclusions about that pretty easily. :)

I've been a fan of Nolvadex (not really clomid) for a long time. I don't do PCT anymore since I am on TRT for over 3 years now, but I recommend hcg on cycle, up to PCT, then Nolva (clomid if you feel you need it or if you like it) and an AI (I like Aromasin). I think to recover from a typical 12-16 week cycle a 4 week PCT is quite a bit hopeful. You really think you can suppress your HPTA for 12-16 weeks and recover it in 4? Maybe if you are 22, but really not even then. And if you are 42? LOL! Right!

I like to recommend drugs for 6 to even possibly 8 weeks, tapering down, and adding in a natural test booster or two (pick your favorites). HCGenerate has a lot of good reviews, and even from a few vets that I know and know wouldn't BS it for whatever reason (ie. free or discounted product). It is what it is. It's a natty test booster. It has ingredients that have some science behind them like the 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran (nettle root extract lignan). But it is pretty fucking expensive. I've noticed the price fluctuate from $55 to $75 (currently) for a 30 day supply. Pretty sure this was just an experiment to determine a threshold to maximize profit while still being able to sell enough to not effect overall revenues too much. For example, if you sell 100 bottles at $20 profit vs. 50 bottles at $40 profit...you worked half as hard for the same profit, and revenues were the same (in this simple example).

You can get a bottle of Solaray nettle root extract for about $10 or so. That basically binds SHBG to increase free T. But you still need to boost natty T and LH/FSH. That's what the Fadogia, LongJack, Fenugreek PE and Tribulus are supposed to do. I don't think Trib does much at all for this and is an unnecessary ingredient, but it's been in these formulas so long if it wasn't in product A and it was in product B, people would buy product B just because it had trib in it. As expensive as these all in one products are sometimes, it would be worth it to do the math when looking at buying ingredients you like separately.

Anyway, find a natty T/LH/FSH booster that you like (or make your own) and hopefully does something beyond placebo and run it for another 6-8 weeks. You can add DAA or whatever the latest greatest thing is too. Or just stick to drugs only...but if the natty stuff helps boost test or LH/FSH even a little, why not use it? As long as it doesn't cost as much as a cycle or more! :D

NTBM is a garbage company. Not only are the ingredients in their snake oil worthless, they are NONEXISTENT. Their products were shown to contain NOTHING.

NTBM and it's owner were exposed for selling bunk snake oil (oh, the irony) on Anabolic Minds.


labresults.jpg


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This company has been very pro-active on the boards as of late and this newest product addition Monsterdrol-XT is the main reason I decided to go ahead and have their product line tested to be sure that this stuff is legit. Personally, I don’t care for clone companies like ****, but it is so common now in the industry that I have learned to accept it, but for a company to deliberately sell product that is under dosed, contaminated and missing the active ingredients listed on the label is downright wrong.

By the test results posted Monsterdrol-XT does not contain any of the 3 compounds listed on the label, not even in trace amounts. It does, however, contain:

3 unidentified compounds which specifically have been ruled out as being a match to anything listed on the label:



****0.5mg caffeine [not listed on the label]

****0.5mg (trace amount) of DHEA [not listed on the label]

****0.5mg (trace amount) of 2?,17?-Dimethyletiocholan-3-one, 17?-ol - (superdrol) [not listed on the label]

****AND LEAD in high enough amounts to be of concern, oh and also [not listed on the label]
https://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/164162-alert-lab-test.html


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So To make things clear.
I own Needtobuildmuscle and I also own Rlssupplements with another Partner. Needtobuildmusce however does not own RLS. I dont own nor does NTBM own Mrsupps.com http://www.afboard.com/forum/showthread.php?40847-Check-out-this-site-i-didn-t-realize-how-deep-needto-s-scam-really-went&p=583903&viewfull=1#post583903
 
BTW, this should enlighten everyone about NTBM's owner, Nathan Chase and his credibility... or lack thereof. A total fraud!


https://thinksteroids.com/forum/mens-health-forum/hcg-thoughts-134351765-2#post989617

Nathan Chase hasn't owned NTBM since about a year or more ago. The EF Admin BigRickRock owns 100% of it now.

I didn't know ntbm ever had a product called monsterdrolXT? Their big prohormone back in the day was Beastdrol, which was just a superdrol clone. Maybe they had it out for a short period of time but pulled it or renamed it due to this bad publicity?
 
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