you're being far too nice.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Elite fitness pct guide line
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you're being far too nice.
pittbox
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And ceo is the head shithead.
He's doing his best to distance himself from it now. Has to rebuild his reputation now that the ship sank.
Can't burn many noobs if everybody knows you're a garbage selling asshole .
pittbox
New Member
He was your bff a year or so ago, before the ntbm team fell apart.
You would turn on your own mother you pos!
I've seen a hundred threads with you advocating the man and his products.
Now you're copping deuces.
Fuck I hate you.
Do me a favor you fat fuck, send stevemi in here.
I'd love to see him in here talking to people like he does over there.
you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to me, boy.
For all I know you are getting paid by Rick to post shit about me. The guy never liked me because he couldn't buy me.
You go get steve. You're not the one banned from EF. Tell Rick I said hi.
I am not pointing fingers at anyone now, but keep it non-personal. This will be the one and only warning. [If you find yourself personally attacking someone, take a breath and look at my avatar. That should work to change the mind set.]
As far as the PCT noted here it is a bunch of CRAP. Anyone promoting such use is clearly not working in the interest of others. And, has some serious issues.
As far as the PCT noted here it is a bunch of CRAP. Anyone promoting such use is clearly not working in the interest of others. And, has some serious issues.
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pittbox
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The desperation of your wild accusations are getting more and more comical. I love watching you scramble and squirm, you'll be showing your true personality soon enough I'm sure.
First im in league with analogman and paja, now in with RR.
Wow I really get around.
If you think a temp ban from ef is going to convince anyone hear of your legitimacy you're even more ignorant then I thought.
Bottom line is you pushed those crap products for years. You pushed crap science demonizing nolvadex, hcg and clomid, you were a huge part of that system at ef.
Do you ever wonder how many people's health you helped destroy?
Do you even care?
I know for a fact the answer to the latter is NO.
So now your personality from ef has done a complete 180. You're trying to convince everyone here that you are this nice guy so you can now push your garbage aas. It's what you do, now it's just different garbage.
I hope you go flat broke without Nate to suckle from.
pittbox
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Apologies to Dr Scally.
I know pct is your thing and you don't want to see the thread go this route.
It's not personal at all, please understand, I know this man I've watched him for years.
If allowed to, he will spread like a cancer in this forum.
He will only take.
Imo he represents the worst of the worst in regards to BB/aas forums.
I can't just sit back and watch him infect this place.
Imo it is every members duty to protect every other member whenever possible.
That is all I'm trying to do here. I apologize to all members if I have to interrupt threads to do this but this man is nothing if not thorough and persistent.
So I have to keep on top of him before he has a chance to seduce any more members than he already has.
illuminatty
New Member
Doc thanks for clarifying my confusion. I'm still a noob in the game and when I see 2 different opinions I tend to get confused and ask questions.
I had no clue n2bm owned elite fitness, well that explains everything lol.
I had no clue n2bm owned elite fitness, well that explains everything lol.
You are the only one making wild accusations. Go to EF or any board and find the posts where I demonized nolva or HCG. I have never really cared for clomid and I will recommend nolva over it any day, but I've never demonized it either buddy. Like I've said before, you must have me confused with someone else. I have argued with Nelson in support of nolva several times over the years. I've always praised nolva and recommended it since I've been on the boards.
But go ahead. Post proof. All I ever see you do is make accusations. You've never posted any kind of proof. You'd think you would either post up or shut up by now, but you just keep going like a broken record.
After a while I stayed out of all the cycle and PCT threads because of the reasons brought up here. If you were recommending nolva or clomid you were attacked. I stayed out of AAS forum and have for years. Most of my posts were in the chat board since probably 2006-2007, and you know that, but here you are lying. No big deal, you lump me in with Nate and the others because I was a mod there. Guilty by association. That's fine. You and I have had barely any interaction while you were active at EF. But now you "know me." Sure.
So now I am a source pushing garbage AAS? Why haven't I been posting about it then? Go on, post up proof of that too. You are so scientific, right? You like to see PubMed studies? You want proof, not just hearsay and broscience? So post some proof of what you say about me.
It is completely personal with this guy. I don't post much here but he has been following me around attacking me everywhere. He tells lies about me and never posts any proof. Easy to make things up about someone if you never have to prove what you say. I don't remember meso being like that from time I've spent here in the past.
I'm not the one making repeated personal attacks against another member, but somehow I am the cancer. Even when you gave him your one and only warning, he apologizes to you and continues to make personal attacks against me in the very same post. I've remained pretty civil throughout it all, or at least tried to. But apparently pittbox has free reign to do as he pleases here.
Casca
Member
I also would like some kind of proof, ceo advocates and recommends the use of nolva on just about everything. that I have read. And i'm sure the MEMBERS AREN'T BLIND AND DUMB and can make their own minds up as it pertains to CEO.
Pitt, it is obvious to anyone that reads ur comments, u have a special place in ur heart for CEO, if what he posts bends u the wrong way, gets over it and lift already. It's ur set!
Not sure what ur agenda is, but damn bro, be done with it already.
Pitt, it is obvious to anyone that reads ur comments, u have a special place in ur heart for CEO, if what he posts bends u the wrong way, gets over it and lift already. It's ur set!
Not sure what ur agenda is, but damn bro, be done with it already.
illuminatty
New Member
By the way thr articles bashing clomid and nolva and pushing ntbm is nelson montana. Ive read his pct and he recommends otc products and says clomid and nolva are a thing of the past.
fizzisnumerouno
Banned
i'm on ef and I recommend both nolva and clomid.. Nelson recommends a lot of different stuff.... He also thinks GW is suppressive. He does make some good points in some stuff though... Others I do disagree with.
fizzisnumerouno
Banned
This typically our pct recommendation:
Weeks 1-2 HCGenerate ES at 5 caps ED Weeks 3-7 N2Guard 7 Caps/ED Weeks 1-7 GW-501516 20 mgs/ED Weeks 3-6 Ostarine 25mgs/ED (do 12.5 during week 6) Weeks 3-7 Clomid 50 mgs/ED Weeks 3-7 Nolvadex 40/20/20/20/10 ED (taper dose weekly) Weeks 3-6 Aromasin 12.5/12.5/7.5/7.5 EOD
Weeks 1-2 HCGenerate ES at 5 caps ED Weeks 3-7 N2Guard 7 Caps/ED Weeks 1-7 GW-501516 20 mgs/ED Weeks 3-6 Ostarine 25mgs/ED (do 12.5 during week 6) Weeks 3-7 Clomid 50 mgs/ED Weeks 3-7 Nolvadex 40/20/20/20/10 ED (taper dose weekly) Weeks 3-6 Aromasin 12.5/12.5/7.5/7.5 EOD
fizzisnumerouno
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For the most part, the above has worked well. I've only bridged with osta so I don't know first hand how it is in PCT... I know if used sparingly, it's great for bridging and PCT for holding gains.
illuminatty
New Member
excuse my ignorance but what is GW?
fizzisnumerouno
Banned
Gw501516 a ppar agonist. Several cyclists use it. It has anti-catabolic properties, positive lipid properties, and forces your body to use fat as an energy instead of carbohydrates
Total crap. You'll get the same results by throwing your money out the window as using this snake oil.
Ostarine is almost certainly suppressive and its use would be counterproductive to PCT.
The safety of GW-501516 in humans hasn't been demonstrated. The animal data is cause for serious concern.
NTBM is the most deceitful supplement company I've ever seen. Their marketing practices are unethical, extremely aggressive and the sheer number of false claims about their products are truly staggering. IMO, they are without question the bottom feeders of the industry. I wouldn't give then a dime if they were the last supplement company on earth.
HCGenerate ingredients
N2Guard ingredients
fizzisnumerouno
Banned
Total crap. You'll get the same results by throwing your money out the window as using this snake oil.
Ostarine is almost certainly suppressive and its use would be counterproductive to PCT.
The safety of GW-501516 in humans hasn't been demonstrated. The animal data is cause for serious concern.
NTBM is the most deceitful supplement company I've ever seen. Their marketing practices are unethical, extremely aggressive and the sheer number of false claims about their products are truly staggering. IMO, they are without question the bottom feeders of the industry. I wouldn't give then a dime if they were the last supplement company on earth.
HCGenerate ingredients
N2Guard ingredients
Agree to disagree... And there are several gw studies backing it up. Additionally, giving rats up to 2x of human dosages of any drug will cause issues. I have the pdf's of GSK's studies that WADA based their warnings off.
