fizzisnumerouno
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Osta becomes MILDLY suppressive after 6-8 weeks..
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Total crap. You'll get the same results by throwing your money out the window as using this snake oil.
Ostarine is almost certainly suppressive and its use would be counterproductive to PCT.
The safety of GW-501516 in humans hasn't been demonstrated. The animal data is cause for serious concern.
NTBM is the most deceitful supplement company I've ever seen. Their marketing practices are unethical, extremely aggressive and the sheer number of false claims about their products are truly staggering. IMO, they are without question the bottom feeders of the industry. I wouldn't give then a dime if they were the last supplement company on earth.
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100% Correct. Thank you. This makes me think some awards are in order. maybe, the Pile Of Shit &/or Dunce Cap awards.
fizzisnumerouno
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That must be why Lance Armstrong used GW. ^^^ makes perfect sense why GW and osta are snake oil.
fizzisnumerouno
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Also. I want to see the paperwork on osta being as suppressive as AAS. Peer reviewed.
In your honor, we are awarding the FIRST "Pile Of Shit" Award. This does not come lightly or easily. You might or probably are a very nice person! This award is a sign for others not to listen to a word you say since all that comes out of your mouth is no more than a ...
And, as a special bonus.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63UlBsdElsY[/ame]
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fizzisnumerouno
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In your honor, we are awarding the FIRST "Pile Of Shit" Award. This does not come lightly or easily. You might or probably are a very nice person! This award is a sign for others not to listen to a word you say since all that comes out of your mouth is no more than a ...
And, as a special bonus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63UlBsdElsY
Cool go fuck yourself. Most people I know back their accusations up with documents. I've read several peer reviewed studies on both ostarine and gw and have put together my own exercise physiology based articles incorporating their uses. I never pushed anything on anybody... Just my own knowledge... Which may or may bot have embellished yours... Instead you disrespect me as opposed of simply proving me wrong... Which i would have easily countered... Because if I had $.05 for every person who used rumor as fact on gw and osta, well you get the point. And yes, I'll gladly support incorporating a natural test supplement as opposed to HCG which through overstimulation of leydig cells, can cause an unresponsive reaction to it...... Not to mention it is extracted from female urine.
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WoW! Well, you have been tagged. When you post, all will know you lack any and all credibility. Stick Around! We need the entertainment.
I forgot, you are deserving of one more award.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4TOfAlVWRU[/ame]
fizzisnumerouno
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So in your honor... I am giving you the award of the reverse-heretic... So people on other boards can see that you disrespect those who challenge your doctrine, such as refusing to believe the earth is round.
fizzisnumerouno
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. There you go doogie howser
fizzisnumerouno
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For those interested in the suppressive nature of ostarine (enobosarm) by GTx; here is an overal study including the effects on lipids, muscle wasting and lh/fsh:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3177038/ (The selective androgen receptor modulator GTx-024 (enobosarm) improves lean body mass and physical function in healthy elderly men and postmenopausal women: results of a double-blind, placebo-controlled phase II trial)
Soooo maybe something that combats muscle wasting and does not suppress the anterior pituitary gland in people with cancer or aids who suffer from cachexia could possibly help a healthy male? maybe? Ostarine and GW aren't exactly new compounds... I'm surprised there is such a backlash for promoting it's use. i didn't promote a company on this board as I understand the policy here. Just made a few friends... and apparently a few enemies too.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3177038/ (The selective androgen receptor modulator GTx-024 (enobosarm) improves lean body mass and physical function in healthy elderly men and postmenopausal women: results of a double-blind, placebo-controlled phase II trial)
Soooo maybe something that combats muscle wasting and does not suppress the anterior pituitary gland in people with cancer or aids who suffer from cachexia could possibly help a healthy male? maybe? Ostarine and GW aren't exactly new compounds... I'm surprised there is such a backlash for promoting it's use. i didn't promote a company on this board as I understand the policy here. Just made a few friends... and apparently a few enemies too.
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fizzisnumerouno
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Yeah I heard that Nate guy fucked a lot of people and really pissed in a lot of cheerios. I know the owner now and i have ran a few of their products, mainly n2guard and hcgenerate... Personally I'm not a fan of HCG but everybody is different. I've used hcgenerate ES at the mouth of my PCT and bloodwork came back fine.
fizzisnumerouno
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Some studies concerning hcg hyperstimulation after 14 days: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/6274616/
There are glaring reasons for why you can't apply these findings to humans. Can you guess what they might be?
The effects of chronic human chorionic gonadotropin treatment on Leydig cell function. Risbridger GP, et al.
Endocrinology. 1982 Jan;110(1):138-45.
Abstract
The purpose of this study was to examine the effect of chronic daily hCG treatment on interstitial cell function in the rat, as judged by plasma testosterone levels, the testicular binding of labeled hCG, and the capacity of the testis to respond to gonadotropin stimulation by the production of testosterone in vitro. TWenty-four hours after the first injection of 100 IU hCG there was a significant decline in hCG binding to testis homogenates and an inability to respond to hCG stimulation in vitro, After 7 days of daily injections of 10 IU or 100 IU hCG, the loss of hCG binding was maintained. However, despite the marked decline in hCG binding, there was an enhanced testosterone response to hCG stimulation in vitro, and plasma testosterone levels were significantly elevated. With continued injections of hCG for 14 or 21 days, the testes remained hyperresponsive to hCG stimulation in vitro, but hCG binding returned to control levels, and plasma testosterone concentrations declined and were not statistically different from controls. The latter changes probably result from the formation of specific hCG antibodies (Kd at 4 C, 7.8 +/- 4.5 X 10(-10) M) that were detected in plasma from rats treated for 14 or mopre days with hCG. The formation and levels of the hCG antibodies in these animals were sufficient to neutralize the effects of the exogenous hCG, thereby returning plasma testosterone levels to normal and restoring the complement of hCG receptors.
fizzisnumerouno
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Exactly!!!! Thank you! Same reason you can't cite rat studies for GW when they're using doses 2x stronger than a human's . Now that we agree that rats are different from humans lol. Glad to see we can agree on SOMETHING. Go ahead, keep coming at me bro... I've pushed nothing on this board... Only defended my friend. Sorry n2bm was ran by a douchebag... It isn't any longer. Don't disrespect me if I've done nothing to disrespect you.
. Now that we agree that rats are different from humans lol. Glad to see we can agree on SOMETHING. Go ahead, keep coming at me bro... I've pushed nothing on this board... Only defended my friend. Sorry n2bm was ran by a douchebag... It isn't any longer. Don't disrespect me if I've done nothing to disrespect you.
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Exactly!!!! Thank you! Same reason you can't cite rat studies for GW when they're using doses 2x stronger than a human's
Coming at you? How... by pointing out NTBM's herbals are garbage? Do you have an interest in this company?
How have I disrespected you? I'm confused here.
fizzisnumerouno
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Leave it at that then. You want to flame me over gw and osta... It's recommended on 15 other boards bro. Yesssss... I heard nate was a sheister. He's out of the picture. I'm not a hypocrite... I run both n2guard and hcgenerate and they've worked just fine. Hell some guys run hcgenerate for the sexual sides. Shoot, i ran tongkat (longiack) long before it was in supplelents... Look at it now... It's in any natty test booster you find. Take your pic.. Run any natural test booster and they can be beneficial in a pct. I've not scammed nor flamed anybody... Sorry if you got fucked by the former owner bro... I like running it and i notice a difference in it's absence. We can be friends or go to war. I respected you from the beginning and graciously thanked you for assisting me in cutting off the heads of scammers on my board. All I did here was pm Pittbox when he went at my close friend CEO who is one man I have immense respect for and tried to set the record straight with n2bm. I know the owner there and I swear on my honor that the guy is the truth. Is he a businessman? Yes of course. I've never met Nate but I know a lot of guys, including his own reps, would pay big money to grip his throat.
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The anencephalic is gone.
Have you ever seen anyone cling to their beliefs more fervently than a bro scientist? Challenging them always results in conflict. They are true believers. Even shills don't really believe in the garbage they push.
illuminatty
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It's a cult with elite fitness and their ntbm products. I do use a few and some of them are "ok" but the prices are outrageous.
Sticking to true and tried method. Thanks for your help folks.
Sticking to true and tried method. Thanks for your help folks.
