Enhanced Testing Database

[readalot]

Had they talked about it before engaging with sources and settled on how to, it could have been avoided.

That requires good faith on the part of both parties. There is none from their side. I've tried to reconcile, be reasonable. Ain't gonna happen. The question then becomes why no good faith on their part?

Narta implies I disrespected SS's thread even though I was one of early contributors. Yet, this thread and the others get nothing but non stop ridicule and destructive interference by them. Personal attacks, etc.

At this point it is willful ignorance if someone can't see the score here.

 

[readalot]

What the master can't touch

Who is the master? Don't be cryptic. Be bold in your convictions.

Keep going. Have anything to do with your earlier proposition to Millard?

 

[readalot]

But it's done.

No it isn't. Not by a long shot. This is an utterly and completely ridiculous situation, and I am glad some of you were here to see it.

You will know when it is over.

 

[iris]

That requires good faith on the part of both parties. There is none from their side. I've tried to reconcile, be reasonable. Ain't gonna happen. The question then becomes why no good faith on their part?

Narta implies I disrespected SS's thread even though I was one of early contributors. Yet, this thread and the others get nothing but non stop ridicule and destructive interference by them. Personal attacks, etc.

At this point it is willful ignorance if someone can't see the score here.

Fine, but your thread here should go back to what it is about, not this.

You know you guys are never going to see eye to eye and what the owner said about their dislike towards you as a person is also a big part of this.

If people want to contribute financially to the donations thread, all this should not be in the background.

Otherwise, it all just becomes a show about you guys and not about what it is supposed to be.
If anyone wants to approach sources or whomever else to donate, at least agree how to and whether it should be done, in the first place, because it all started there.

 

[narta]

Who is the master? Don't be cryptic. Be bold in your convictions.

Keep going. Have anything to do with your earlier proposition to Millard?

It's above your pay grade

 

[Sicsemptyran]

Fine, but your thread here should go back to what it is about, not this.

You know you guys are never going to see eye to eye and what the owner said about their dislike towards you as a person is also a big part of this.

If people want to contribute financially to the donations thread, all this should not be in the background.

Otherwise, it all just becomes a show about you guys and not about what it is supposed to be.
If anyone wants to approach sources or whomever else to donate, at least agree how to and whether it should be done, in the first place, because it all started there.

I guess for me it all comes back to who gives a shit? We shake down sources for a picture of tits as a joke, I think they’re big boys and girls enough to put up with someone asking to donate to a charity, which based on looking at things it was what, two sources Readalot pinged?

Throwing around words of coercion like it would affect anyone (sources and buyers) in any way if they just completely ignored Readalot. Who is this harming? Why does anyone care?

 

[readalot]

It's above your pay grade

We will find out. You keep trying to fly awfully close to the sun.

 

[iris]

I guess for me it all comes back to who gives a shit? We shake down sources for a picture of tits as a joke, I think they’re big boys and girls enough to put up with someone asking to donate to a charity, which based on looking at things it was what, two sources Readalot pinged?

Throwing around words of coercion like it would affect anyone (sources and buyers) in any way if they just completely ignored Readalot. Who is this harming? Why does anyone care?

You don't care and it's fair enough, but that thread OP thinks they should just be given voluntarily, not asked for or boasted about.

You can think this should have been inconsequential but it turned into something else and here we are.

 

[musclesiege]

Right now it has just turned into read playing victim and proving @Spaceman Spiff point about obsessing with him or others at time and not letting crap go. Admitting any type of fault or that something could have been done better is not in his dna so instead double down and point fingers at more people and keep going at someone that upset you until you feel you “won” the argument.

Simply saying yes I could have focused on donations by using PM like @T-Bagger said would have been better. I post a lot because I enjoy sharing knowledge I read about to help others and it makes me feel good. Maybe I can be a little more open minded and not take criticism so personally. But I would like to ask others for more constructive criticism not just criticism. That’s how the non-narcissistic grown ups engage in debate which obviously has not happened. On the other side you see months of frustrations coming out over the way the debate was handled with no accountability from read which sent many over the edge.

 

[Zebedee]

I guess for me it all comes back to who gives a shit? We shake down sources for a picture of tits as a joke, I think they’re big boys and girls enough to put up with someone asking to donate to a charity, which based on looking at things it was what, two sources Readalot pinged?

Throwing around words of coercion like it would affect anyone (sources and buyers) in any way if they just completely ignored Readalot. Who is this harming? Why does anyone care?

Exactly my thoughts mate.

I don’t have a particular issue with anyone in this drama, but at this point it’s becoming not only drama but manufactured / contrived drama.

 

[narta]

We will find out. You keep trying to fly awfully close to the sun.

Now I am scared shitless.

 

[readalot]

Now I am scared shitless.

Funny you mention pay grade.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

Again, I just am genuinely baffled as to why anyone would care even if he was “shaking down sources” for donations, which based on my albeit limited reading it looks like he poked two sources about?

People ask truly mind-numbing, braindead questions of sources constantly, and pester them about all sorts of things that are oftentimes not legitimate (the buyer’s own ability to understand something for example), including full blown attacks. They’re a source, it comes with the territory.

I’m not sure if any of you have ever owned a successful (legal) business or had sway over funds at one, but you get pestered CONSTANTLY about donating to things and sponsorships and the like. It’s part of the territory.

Are the sources really such vulnerable, feeble people that we need to look out for their tender little constitutions because they might combust spontaneously getting asked to donate to kids?

 

[Ateam2023]

 

[narta]

Funny you mention pay grade.

Don't be cryptic. Be bold in your convictions.

Right back at ya!

 

[RandallFlagg]

Yeah, but this all blew up due to events LONG before the donation thread.

I don't know what the solution is for this sequence of events that occurs -->
- I. Readalot proposes an agenda that can be rationally argued leads to harm reduction.

- II. This triggers others because of some old long standing grudge I wasn't around to understand or see. - they share their (subjective?) opinions based on their own anecdotal experience (whether that is "feels" or their own testing method)

- III. These comments trigger Readalot.

- IV. Vets sit back and smugly say "see, this is why MESO is being destroyed."

I've yet to understand why it can't be accepted that surveillance testing can ONLY be a good thing. Like, maybe I'm too naive or inexperienced (admittedly not a bodybuilder running grams of androgens....just not understanding how it can be bad to define the "junk" impurities and also get some idea of what makes up these compounds).

I presume the arguments are:
- there's nothing that can be done so why test? (To which I'm still at a loss...you can either better define the shit in your gear and KNOW your enemy...or seek out alternate paths).

- "it's annoying"....which I still don't get.

Again, maybe I'm just not experienced enough on other boards to understand how this shit is supposed to work. However, it's rather incredible to see the progress made in testing and the discussion of developing standards for determining impurities in these products.

If the name suddenly changed to Narta asking the questions, can we be honest and admit the response would be different?

I'm not begrudging those of you who have a hate for Readalot. That's your business. However, I have trouble understanding why emotion clouds and overrules these disputes so easily.

If someone is wrong, then present why?

If someone personally attacks (on either side) then both sides have a choice:
- escalate and continue to get angrier and angrier.
- define what they find objectionable about a specific post and hash it out from there (as in life and business)

I get this is an internet forum so it makes professional communication challenging. I keep defaulting back to the belief you all could actually function in a room together (even if not going over for a BBQ on weekends).

 

[iris]

Again, I just am genuinely baffled as to why anyone would care even if he was “shaking down sources” for donations, which based on my albeit limited reading it looks like he poked two sources about?

People ask truly mind-numbing, braindead questions of sources constantly, and pester them about all sorts of things that are oftentimes not legitimate (the buyer’s own ability to understand something for example), including full blown attacks. They’re a source, it comes with the territory.

I’m not sure if any of you have ever owned a successful (legal) business or had sway over funds at one, but you get pestered CONSTANTLY about donating to things and sponsorships and the like. It’s part of the territory.

Are the sources really such vulnerable, feeble people that we need to look out for their tender little constitutions because they might combust spontaneously getting asked to donate to kids?

I think OP there @Spaceman Spiff can answer as to why he took issue with that approach.

I understand where you come from.

 

[Ateam2023]

Yeah, but this all blew up due to events LONG before the donation thread.

I don't know what the solution is for this sequence of events that occurs -->
- I. Readalot proposes an agenda that can be rationally argued leads to harm reduction.

- II. This triggers others because of some old long standing grudge I wasn't around to understand or see. - they share their (subjective?) opinions based on their own anecdotal experience (whether that is "feels" or their own testing method)

- III. These comments trigger Readalot.

- IV. Vets sit back and smugly say "see, this is why MESO is being destroyed."

I've yet to understand why it can't be accepted that surveillance testing can ONLY be a good thing. Like, maybe I'm too naive or inexperienced (admittedly not a bodybuilder running grams of androgens....just not understanding how it can be bad to define the "junk" impurities and also get some idea of what makes up these compounds).

I presume the arguments are:
- there's nothing that can be done so why test? (To which I'm still at a loss...you can either better define the shit in your gear and KNOW your enemy...or seek out alternate paths).

- "it's annoying"....which I still don't get.

Again, maybe I'm just not experienced enough on other boards to understand how this shit is supposed to work. However, it's rather incredible to see the progress made in testing and the discussion of developing standards for determining impurities in these products.

If the name suddenly changed to Narta asking the questions, can we be honest and admit the response would be different?

I'm not begrudging those of you who have a hate for Readalot. That's your business. However, I have trouble understanding why emotion clouds and overrules these disputes so easily.

If someone is wrong, then present why?

If someone personally attacks (on either side) then both sides have a choice:
- escalate and continue to get angrier and angrier.
- define what they find objectionable about a specific post and hash it out from there (as in life and business)

I get this is an internet forum so it makes professional communication challenging. I keep defaulting back to the belief you all could actually function in a room together (even if not going over for a BBQ on weekends).

its BECAUSE , Androgens are "sky high",,,,,,

 

[iris]

have trouble understanding why emotion clouds and overrules these disputes so easily.

High estrogen.

Or tren.

One of the two.
Always one of the two.

 

[narta]

I don't know what the solution is for this sequence of events that occurs -->
- Ia. Readalot proposes an agenda that can be rationally argued leads to harm reduction.
-Ib. Readalot proceeds to spam the fuck out of the forum and sources threads every hour, in order to "persuade" them to join his cause.
- II. This triggers others because of some old long standing grudge I wasn't around to understand or see. - they share their (subjective?) opinions based on their own anecdotal experience (whether that is "feels" or their own testing method)

- III. These comments trigger Readalot.

- IV. Vets sit back and smugly say "see, this is why MESO is being destroyed."

Missed a spot

If the name suddenly changed to Narta asking the questions, can we be honest and admit the response would be different?

I would open up a thread, make my arguments there and ask ONCE every source if they were interested to participate, aka I wouldn't be a spammy little cunt, annoying the f out all the people that wanted to have a nice day in the forums.