Enhanced Testing Database

[readalot]

You absolutely knew what triggered him

No I absolutely did not know this would trigger him or that it did trigger him. He's struck out at me since the first post. Did you look at that first thread filled with personal attacks. Never a benefit of the doubt. And on it continues with his latest post.

Another offer to reconcile thrown right back at me.

 

[readalot]

I would never be associated with someone of that behavior.

That attitude just would not be feasible in a team environment anywhere.

Hence no chance of reconciliation. I am trying though. Through all that's transpired I am trying.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

That attitude just would not be feasible in a team environment anywhere.

Hence no chance of reconciliation. I am trying though. Through all that's transpired I am trying.

Your multiple meltdowns including yesterday morning strongly prove my point of why I never would work with you.

 

[MindlessWork]

Hey @readalot, not trying to rain on your parade but while your motives may be pure but you really are overengineering this thing and it may well end up being a quixotic quest.If you really want people on your side you just need to take a deep breath and just accept criticism and advice with grace.

I have no dog in this fight but just my 2 tarnished pennies.

Cheers!

 

[readalot]

Your multiple meltdowns including yesterday morning strongly prove my point of why I never would work with you.

Well then that's it. Try saying that in a team environment.

I don't want to hear anyone offering that I should do anything else to try and appease you.

Thanks for letting me know.

 

[Sampei]

You don't need to work together tho... Just need to not work against and ignore eachother. Wouldn't that be just great?

For fuck sake please stop it

 

[iris]

Another offer to reconcile thrown right back at me.

Perhaps just accept that this is not possible and move on.
Refrain from responding and he will not engage with you, so that you can reign things back in and your thread go back to what it should be about.

Unless you want it to continue to be about you and Spaceman.

You don't need his validation for what you intend doing, do you?
Your engagement with the sources who are showing interest in what you say will continue, regardless, if this is your focus, here.

 

[readalot]

Perhaps just accept that this is not possible and move on.
Refrain from responding and he will not engage with you, so that you can reign things back in and your thread go back to what it should be about.

Unless you want it to continue to be about you and Spaceman.

You don't need his validation for what you intend doing, do you?
Your engagement with the sources who are showing interest in what you say will continue, regardless, if this is your focus, here.

Never got a response when you asked me to spell it out for you. Hope it was helpful.

 

[Zebedee]

You don't need to work together tho... Just need to not work against and ignore eachother. Wouldn't that be just great?

For fuck sake please stop it

Totally agree. Top fucking post, my man.

There’s an absolute fucktonne of points that can i could raise here, but this really is the main one for me & it also avoids any return to the drama fest of “he said / they said ….”

 

[Zebedee]

Perhaps just accept that this is not possible and move on.
Refrain from responding and he will not engage with you, so that you can reign things back in and your thread go back to what it should be about.

It takes two though. The onus is not on Readalot alone.

Please @iris , no backwards & forwards with me over this point, because like I said, it takes two, end of.

 

[iris]

Never got a response when you asked me to spell it out for you. Hope it was helpful.

I did not know of Spaceman's past, here.
To be honest, I would never have thought he was anything other than a regular member.
Nothing of what he does/writes here made me think he is a shill or has hidden interests (unlike various other people).

So, you have only just discovered he used to resell on Meso.
That is when his campaign against you started and it simply continued in the same way under the guise of a regular membership, without your knowledge.

You allege that he is still selling and so being a source and/or he is here as an advocate for the sources themselves. This is unethical.

At the time, the only thing he was making were orals.
He thought your testing ideas could not have any practical implementation or bring real quality improvements within the UGL landscape, so there would be no "true application" of what you proposed.
He regarded your demands and behaviour as a nuisance and self serving.

He still uses the same arguments to stop your project, now.

To be fair, if one looks at the responses from other sources and members back when you joined, they were as negative or even more negative and strongly against you as his.
He persevered in calling out his perceived uselessness of this protocol and his dislike for you as a forum user, whereas others still do not agree but avoid engaging or say so privately.

I personally think that he does not do so because is a Meso "member" and not a member.
You, Qsc or anyone else doing endotoxin, metals and whichever other test is in practical terms irrelevant to him.
But he objects, in principle, to its realistic impact on affecting the quality of raw materials and so questions what that data you bring can do, in practice.
As a homebrewer extraordinaire, I suppose that's his thing, now.

You have asked me to respond to you and this is the way I see it.
I might be wrong and his interactions with you are just down to what you say.
But from what I see he is a very smart man, he is here to share knowledge and he is always willing to have a say whenever harm reduction is concerned, or new members show wrong intentions.
So, I do not regard him as a "bad agent" but I also thing that the line must be drawn somewhere with all this, if you want to focus on your aim.

If he raises or has raised a valid point about what you wrote/do, it should be taken and acknowledged as that, not as "bad faith", or not valid because of where it comes from.
It can either be argued against simply because of what it says is wrong, or not.

You do not have to respond to him, in any case, since you believe he is not operating here legitimately.
State that once and for all and then ignore.
He has no power to stop what you do.

I think if the owner had any qualms about his conduct here (that he is still operating, without disclosing it), he would have been banned a long time ago, the same way others have been for their "suspicious " behaviour.

To be fair, after expressing his views and his disagreement with you on your threads, I thought the antagonism here had started to subside, until the "keep score" fiasco.
You two started it, so you two have to end this.

 

[iris]

It takes two though. The onus is not on Readalot alone.

Please @iris , no backwards & forwards with me over this point, because like I said, it takes two, end of.

I was not going to.
I agree

 

[Zebedee]

I was not going to.
I agree

Yeah I figured you would, but what I kinda meant was more along your previous post debating points with Readalot - right now, I think the only possible positive outcome to this thread is if both camps call a ceasefire & allow the thread to go back to a discussion about ET & for that to happen I also think the rest of us need to step back from discussing “he said / they said” any more & just get back to genuine discussion about both enhanced AND regular testing.

I mean, there’s two issues that affect both regular & enhanced testing that I’d like to see discussed, but there’s been no point in bringing them up because they’d just have gotten buried under the back & forth.

 

[Sampei]

Btw I have sent the test D allegedly 90% pure to Jano for HPLC.

I want to do GSMC too, if anyone is happy to chip in a bit in helping me out only for the GSMC I'll be a happy man.

 

[Zebedee]

Btw I have sent the test D allegedly 90% pure to Jano for HPLC.

I want to do GSMC too, if anyone is happy to chip in a bit in helping me out only for the GSMC I'll be a happy man.

Is this the QSC Test D that someone posted a Jano for a while back?

 

[AlexDavis43]

Your multiple meltdowns including yesterday morning strongly prove my point of why I never would work with you.

How has he tried to appease or reconcile with you? What was the offer?

If it was privately, that's fine. Just trying to keep up.

 

[Sampei]

Is this the QSC Test D that someone posted a Jano for a while back?

Yes, I bought it at the same time of the other guy.

 

[readalot]

I mean, there’s two issues that affect both regular & enhanced testing that I’d like to see discussed, but there’s been no point in bringing them up because they’d just have gotten buried under the back & forth.

Fire away. This is the database thread so perhaps post to the ET thread which discusses methods, details. This thread just lists activity.

Thank you.