EO issue

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

I had a unique experience with an EO brew.

75mg Test C
75mg Mast P
75mg DHB
25mg NPP
2/20 BA/BB
EO as the carrier oil

1st injection 2.5ml left VG - gradually felt pain in my hip over the next few days. Nothing extreme, but some discomfort. It was not my VG hurting, but rather my hip. I assumed it was due to the 2.5ml.

2nd injection 1ml right lower quad - no pain at all, nothing

3rd injection 1ml left lower quad - 24 hrs post injection, I started to feel some discomfort from the injection area moving down to my knee. Nothing of concern at that time, but some pain.

48 hrs post injection - pain increasing, now encompassing my knee and causing me to limp.

72hrs post injection - my knee is swollen and it is painful to even limp.

96 hours post injection - I am in extreme pain and barely able to even move around with crutches. I visit my Ortho and X-rays show nothing but the buildup of fluid.

He aspirates and removes over 80ml of a puss-like liquid from my knee.

The liquid is being sent off for testing.

I believe the EO "leaked" to my knee, due to the water like consistency it has and infected my knee.

I love to use mig840, but apparently my body does not tolerate EO.

Be careful, and don't learn a hard lesson like I did.

 

[Alert_Custard]

Sounds like you have an infection

 

[VakarianSK]

Probably a bacterial infection, have you ever used EO before? Some can't handle it because of inflammation.

Also I never pin lower quads, only upper for what it's worth.

 

[Dirthand]

VG hurting, but rather my hip

Sometimes a day or 2 after a VG shot i get joint pain in my hip.. to where I walk funny for a few days.. out of all the gear I make and pin the only thing that gives me pip is TNE..... is frustration. Because I love that shit.. I am starting to belive 100-120 mg shot of it is just to much medication at one time and that is the reason for the pip.. I can do 50-70 and hardly zero pip.. I hope your knee is doing better!! I can't handle EO either.. a did EO injections for a couple of days and the ked my CRP and it was almost at 7.....Fuck.. I just got a gallon of miglyol 840 a couple weeks ago and haven't used much but fixing to make some stuff with it...
I do notice with the varies TNE shots i do especially in the delt that sometimes a day or w later their will be a big red streak or blotch sometimes going half way down to my elbow.. like a burn..either way it stood out to me when you talked about the hip pain.. maybe it's just fluid buildup or medicine that has settled into the joint???
Peace

 

[Astartes]

PIP as rule of thumb goes like this after Injection:
- Day 1 (generally no pain as oil absorbs)
- Day 2 ( PIP starts with compounds)
- Day 3 (Worst of pain)
- Day 4 (Substantial easement)
- Day 5 (Generally gone)

Infection is generally suspected after day 6 of increasing pain with no significant subsidence.

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

Update: On Thursday the synovial fluid test results came back. 65,000 white blood cound with clumping which means it was likely undercounted. The cutoff for infections is 50,000. Another marker was at 74%, although I am not sure what marker that is. My Ortho wanted to immediately perform surgery Friday at 6:00 am, and told me I would be in the hospital one or two nights being treated by an infectious disease specialist.

I pushed back hard and stayed I did not want something so invasive prior to trying other options. He told me it was serious and it could potentially lead to knee replacement. I stood my ground and he started me on two antibiotics.

On Friday, I saw another Ortho and he basically repeated what the first said. FML

I saw my first Ortho again this morning and he saw there were initial signs of improvement but he was still skeptical of my decision. One odd thing is that after 4 days, the knee culture shows no signs of bacterial growth. This is potentially something good or a false negative, which he states happens in up to 35 percent of cases.

We agreed that he will aspirate again on Thursday and send off for testing again. I also agreed that if I get any signs of fever or any signs of worsening symptoms I will agree to immediately be hospitalized.

I am quietly hoping it is a sterile reaction to the EO that sent my immune system into overdrive, rather than a severe infection.

Either way, my EO experience has not been pleasant.

 

[Astartes]

Always keep 100mg Doxy and Amoxacillin 875mg/150mg Clauvanic (sp?) acid tabs on hand for 1-2 treatments of 10-14 days min

This will cover most gram positive/negative and MRSA issues. Start with Amoxicillin

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

I was given Ciprofloxacn and Doxycycline Hyclate.

 

[Astartes]

Sounds right.

Per my above progression outline, if spreading and the skin is “itchy” and hot and slow progression is consistently more and more swollen…

I will treat at day 5 or 6.

This will avoid more aggressive treatments and issues later. Only had this once in 20 years and it was my own foolishness.

Treated and gone with no muscle deterioration and 1 week off on legs. The antibiotics that I listed above are sufficient.

Doxy is really the nuke to use after 3 days if you don’t see significant relief with Amoxicillin. (Usually 24 hours later it’s very noticeable)

 

[Dirthand]

I take a daily doxy to keep acne at bay when I'm on tren... There is no major problem with taking it for a couple months.. I keep all antibiotics on hand just in case.
Amoxicillin, doxycycline, azithromycin, and bactrim..