AbsoluteKnight
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We can pm here? Goddamn okI’ll pm ya for further to avoid messing up the topic of eq. No problem man! God bless again
MESO-Rx
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Lilpiggy
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I’m having the same issue minus the boldenone. I’ve been running 600mg test E, 4mg Retatrutide and my estradiol,ultra sensitive came back 21. Crazy flares and tissue build up in my nipples plus back acne. 1mg Arimidex did nothing for me (maybe bunk). Switched to 12.5mg aromasin and finding some relief.
I had similar experience, I wonder if masteron as a SERM would be enough gyro relief.
I'm not gyno prone, but I'll be sure to always run some mast p with test and boldenone from now on!
BamaCrazy
Banned
I’m beginning to think wherever Quest sends their E2 Ultrasensitive labs to doesn’t know what they are doing. My June 30th E2 came back at 295. lol. I was only on 150mg Test C at the time. 12-15% BF and I don’t aromatize much at all. I felt great for 295. August first my E2 was 22 through LabCorp.
Lilpiggy
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That’s nuts. I was considering the same thing when I got my results back quest is exactly who I got bloods with on August 1st. They switched our tests. I’m going to go with labcorp next.
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Lilpiggy
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What week into your EQ cycle would you typically get your first bloodwork?
newlosand
Banned
Equipoise does not directly reduce DHT. Neither does Masteron. They indirectly reduce DHT proportionate with the degree to which they suppress the endogenous or natural production of testosterone.
Equipoise is only weakly potentiated by the 5α-reductase and much less so than testosterone. Masteron is not converted to DHT at all.
The net result of an Equipoise+Masteron stack is lower DHT levels.
However, this is only true if you don't include any other AAS that are converted to DHT.
Equipoise is only weakly potentiated by the 5α-reductase and much less so than testosterone. Masteron is not converted to DHT at all.
The net result of an Equipoise+Masteron stack is lower DHT levels.
However, this is only true if you don't include any other AAS that are converted to DHT.
DonTesto
New Member
Nandrolone does not convert to e2.
Eddie.
Member
That's what I'm experiencing too. Although i haven't pushed dosages high but 150-200 NPP doesn't raise e2 at all when added in my test/EQ stack.
They say if you run it solo you'll end up with zero estradiol because it's not converting but when you take test and add nandrolone it speeds up e2 conversion but that's not what I've seen.
I think those who deal with gyno issues is due to prolactin, like tren but in lesser degree instead of e2 but maybe I'm wrong.
bigdaddyandfriends
Member
I keep reading in places that boldenone aromatizes to estrone, which I don’t think is true. Only androstenedione (and prohormone precursors) will aromatize to E1.
However, estrone is both a precursor to and metabolite of estradiol via 17β-HSD1/2. So maybe boldenone and perhaps some metabolites/derivatives (including DHB & primobolan) induce or inhibit these enzymes affecting E1/E2 balance?
This would be sort of a similar case to nandrolone, which barely aromatizes but either upregulates expression of aromatase and/or sensitizes the ER to trans activation by estrogen - that’s why adding it to a cycle so commonly results in gyno or ED despite producing nearly extra estrogen on its own.
@Type-IIx any thoughts on this?
However, estrone is both a precursor to and metabolite of estradiol via 17β-HSD1/2. So maybe boldenone and perhaps some metabolites/derivatives (including DHB & primobolan) induce or inhibit these enzymes affecting E1/E2 balance?
This would be sort of a similar case to nandrolone, which barely aromatizes but either upregulates expression of aromatase and/or sensitizes the ER to trans activation by estrogen - that’s why adding it to a cycle so commonly results in gyno or ED despite producing nearly extra estrogen on its own.
@Type-IIx any thoughts on this?
Photon
Member
I have pre-blast Estrone LCMS values.
I am pulling labs soon, on 1g EQ right now.
Might take awhile to get labs tho, LabCorp takes like 3 weeks for it.
Eddie.
Member
Derek on this video analyzes boldenone and shows some lcms bloodwork with e1 being 10 times the normal range on EQ. Worth watching.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heSPrS5mAGk
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heSPrS5mAGk
bigdaddyandfriends
Member
lol I just listened to that earlier tonight
I’m still thinking this λ1-testosterone group is altering E1/E2 ratio by interfering with the 17β-HSD enzymes. Same goes with primo.
I’m still thinking this λ1-testosterone group is altering E1/E2 ratio by interfering with the 17β-HSD enzymes. Same goes with primo.
So if one was to run EQ and wants to be on top of the E2, would you suggest run blood work every two weeks to stay on top of E2 “Asking for a friend”
Eddie.
Member
So if one was to run EQ and wants to be on top of the E2, would you suggest run blood work every two weeks to stay on top of E2 “Asking for a friend”
I'd say to him, If it's the first time you'll gonna run EQ and you don't know much (if at all) suppresses your e2 I'd start with 2/1 test/eq and check e2 at 4 weeks later. It will start working immediately but it would be best to give it some time. If you don't aromatise much you could start with 5/2 test/EQ and adjust later, it's up to you. This time i started with 2/1 like before but e2 was too low after 4 weeks and i raised test. It's trial and error.
Do you think doing bloodwork every two weeks is over kill? If EQ is fast acting on the E2 I want to be able to catch it right way and adjust from there.
SnowyMiami
Member
Derek said 2 IU GH will cause acromegaly.
Eddie.
Member
Yes it’s overkill but if that brings you peace of mind then why not? Around 4-6 weeks it has to be stabilised and not change after this. No need to get obsession over e2.
Irrelevant, this has nothing to do with the facts he presents on that video.
