Favorite PCT Ancillaries

[flipup7]

In the process of coming off (hopefully for the last time) for fertility reasons and was wondering if anyone has any favorite PCT ancillaries that they've used to make things as smooth as possible. Aside from the usual SERMs and HCG does anyone have any go to compounds or protocols they run alongside their PCT?

My core PCT plan:

- Last 4 weeks switched from Test C to P.
- Ramped up HCG from 250iu 3x per week on cycle to 750iu 3x per week two weeks after stopping Test P.
- Running 12.5mg pharma Enclo ED

I've felt mostly fine overall, getting some expected strength and size loss, a little brain fog, slightly "off" mood but totally manageable. Waiting on post-cycle bloods at the moment.


Ancillaries I'm trying:

- Glutathione: 200mg 3x per week. Did this for 2 weeks and there's a noticeable effect and overall anti-inflammatory feeling. Skin looked and felt healthier the day after pinning. Not a game changer but a definitely an overall wellness benefit.

- NAD+: 100mg 3x per week. Just did one week of this so far and I'm not sure how I feel about it yet. I think there's an energy level improvement but it's hard to say for sure. Will probably run this for at least another week or two.

- Semax: Haven't added yet but would like to see if this can mitigate the slight brain fog I've got going on.

 

[Ghoul]

Modafinil/Armodafinil

Semax doesn't do shit for cognition.

 

[flipup7]

Yeah modafinil is a good call. I've had a little trouble sleeping with that before and am prioritizing good sleep for better recovery right now but if the brain fog gets worse at any point maybe I'll throw that in.

I've tried semax in the past and I felt a little clearer headed on it but I understand some people experience that compound differently.

 

[Ghoul]

Yeah modafinil is a good call. I've had a little trouble sleeping with that before and am prioritizing good sleep for better recovery right now but if the brain fog gets worse at any point maybe I'll throw that in.

I've tried semax in the past and I felt a little clearer headed on it but I understand some people experience that compound differently.

Take it as early as possible. A lot of people just keep it bedside, taking it before hitting the snooze button and even go back to sleep. Also, duration is dose dependent so keep that in mind. Finally, Moda wears off much faster than Armo, so consider using that instead of Armo until you know it's not affecting your sleep

 

[BP_6]

Take it as early as possible. A lot of people just keep it bedside, taking it before hitting the snooze button and even go back to sleep. Also, duration is dose dependent so keep that in mind. Finally, Moda wears off much faster than Armo, so consider using that instead of Armo until you know it's not affecting your sleep

Per you advice I got some Armo from "the PCT man" the mid-range one you said was a good bang for the buck and love it so far. Using the 150mg tabs and they are working great! What is the purpose of the 250mg ones as the 150's seem plenty strong. Do you get an even stronger focus effect or is it more just to make it last longer, or do some just like/need a very high dose? I take mine like at 5am before the gym so sleep hasn't been an issue yet.

Thanks for your help.

 

[Ghoul]

Per you advice I got some Armo from "the PCT man" the mid-range one you said was a good bang for the buck and love it so far. Using the 150mg tabs and they are working great! What is the purpose of the 250mg ones as the 150's seem plenty strong. Do you get an even stronger focus effect or is it more just to make it last longer, or do some just like/need a very high dose? I take mine like at 5am before the gym so sleep hasn't been an issue yet.

Thanks for your help.

Glad to hear it's working out!

Make sure to keep your vitamin A up. Moda/Armoda stimulates neurogenesis, the creation of new neurons, but that process is reliant on sufficient Vitamin A levels.

Believe it or not, Armodafinil 250mg is a legitimate prescription dose in the US. I can only assume it's for severe narcolepsy. They split well and 1/2 is essentially like a 150mg, but like you suggest, 250mg is wassy too much for me.

If they're a better deal than 150mg it might make sense, but they're usually more than twice the price of 150's so not worth it.

So as of this posting HAB's Modawake (their less well known moda vs their popular Modvigil), and Artvigil 150 are the best values, all being very good quality. Artvigil 50's are great too, provided they're around 1/3rd the price of the 150's.

 

[flipup7]

That's great to hear how effective the modafinil is.

I worked in some Semax to my PCT and I have to say it's been a solid addition. It has completely removed the minor brain fog I had. It took a few days of dosing at 300mcg to really get going but I felt some effects the first day.

Ran the NAD+ a couple more times up to 100mg 3x per week and can't say I felt anything off of it for sure.

 

[sweetcynic237]

Glad to hear it's working out!

Make sure to keep your vitamin A up. Moda/Armoda stimulates neurogenesis, the creation of new neurons, but that process is reliant on sufficient Vitamin A levels.

Believe it or not, Armodafinil 250mg is a legitimate prescription dose in the US. I can only assume it's for severe narcolepsy. They split well and 1/2 is essentially like a 150mg, but like you suggest, 250mg is wassy too much for me.

If they're a better deal than 150mg it might make sense, but they're usually more than twice the price of 150's so not worth it.

So as of this posting HAB's Modawake (their less well known moda vs their popular Modvigil), and Artvigil 150 are the best values, all being very good quality. Artvigil 50's are great too, provided they're around 1/3rd the price of the 150's.

I know you get a lot of negative feedback, but when I sat down to eat and do some reading this evening I went and searched on Meso and looked up your posts so I could learn something valuable, like the above. Ive been looking for something just like this. It's appreciated.

 

[Ghoul]

I know you get a lot of negative feedback, but when I sat down to eat and do some reading this evening I went and searched on Meso and looked up your posts so I could learn something valuable, like the above. Ive been looking for something just like this. It's appreciated.

Appreciate it! The positive interactions far outnumber the small number of tren raging critics, lol.

 

[Zeus088]

I’ll second that notion of getting excellent advice from @Ghoul I had a question about the Modafinil (Modvigil 200) I’ve been on it two days and it’s made a noticeable difference in my chronic fatigue. I don’t need caffeine constantly, but I have found it to wear off faster like you said in the above post. I ordered some ModAwake and ModAlert to see the difference. Is the Artvigil worth checking out? Also, with the Modvigil I take it upon waking, if you feel it wearing off, would you take an additional half dose? Or do you want to avoid doing that later in the day?

 

[Ghoul]

I’ll second that notion of getting excellent advice from @Ghoul I had a question about the Modafinil (Modvigil 200) I’ve been on it two days and it’s made a noticeable difference in my chronic fatigue. I don’t need caffeine constantly, but I have found it to wear off faster like you said in the above post. I ordered some ModAwake and ModAlert to see the difference. Is the Artvigil worth checking out? Also, with the Modvigil I take it upon waking, if you feel it wearing off, would you take an additional half dose? Or do you want to avoid doing that later in the day?

In my experience the best results come from taking it once, as early in the day as possible, using dose to modulate duration.

So for instance, I'll take 200mg Moda as a "base". If I get up at 4:30-6am, I'll add 150 Armodafinil. That will keep me going until 10-11pm. If it's 6-7am 100mg Armodafinil. 7-8am 50mg. Any later just the Modafinil.

This is highly personalized and you'll have to experiment. You could take 300 moda as that may boost duration enough.

Artvigil is good quality Armodafinil, and the 50mg tabs make the calibrating the proper dose/duration easy to manage. It's priced well at PCT 24. Artvigil 150 is the best Armodafinil value, and easily split into 75mg halves.

 

[Zeus088]

In my experience the best results come from taking it once, as early in the day as possible, using dose to modulate duration.

So for instance, I'll take 200mg Moda as a "base". If I get up at 4:30-6am, I'll add 150 Armodafinil. That will keep me going until 10-11pm. If it's 6-7am 100mg Armodafinil. 7-8am 50mg. Any later just the Modafinil.

This is highly personalized and you'll have to experiment. You could take 300 moda as that may boost duration enough.

Artvigil is good quality Armodafinil, and the 50mg tabs make the calibrating the proper dose/duration easy to manage. It's priced well at PCT 24. Artvigil 150 is the best Armodafinil value, and easily split into 75mg halves.

Ok great I saved this to my file. After reading a post you put out on kind of the “starter kit” to see what works, I made that purchase about a week and a half ago. Originally I just purchased the Modafinil 200mg, honestly it’s helped a lot. Like you’ve said, I didn’t “need” caffeine, I would have some. But I’m not spacing like 3 or 4 Monsters out throughout the day so that I don’t fall asleep while walking Excited to get the next shipment from @PCT24X7 PHARMACY and see how it works.

 

[Ghoul]

Ok great I saved this to my file. After reading a post you put out on kind of the “starter kit” to see what works, I made that purchase about a week and a half ago. Originally I just purchased the Modafinil 200mg, honestly it’s helped a lot. Like you’ve said, I didn’t “need” caffeine, I would have some. But I’m not spacing like 3 or 4 Monsters out throughout the day so that I don’t fall asleep while walking Excited to get the next shipment from @PCT24X7 PHARMACY and see how it works.

I originally. did what you would do with caffeine, or even immediate release adderall, that is. "top up" later in the day for longer duration.

Because of the way Moda/armoda metabolizes, larger dose seems a better way to get the extra duration, without interfering with sleep. The "official" max prescribed dose of Modafinil is 400mg / day, Armoda 250mg / day, but always as one a day, not split. (doses much much higher have been demonstrated perfectly safe, but additional effectiveness drops off so there's no point). There's never been death or physical harm from 20x those max doses, other than insomnia, headache, etc.).

That said, much lower doses work very well for many, and I recommend starting with 100mg moda for any first timer. Some even feel the need to drop from there to Armodafinil 50.

 

[Zeus088]

I originally. did what you would do with caffeine, or even immediate release adderall, that is. "top up" later in the day for longer duration.

Because of the way Moda/armoda metabolizes, larger dose seems a better way to get the extra duration, without interfering with sleep. The "official" max prescribed dose of Modafinil is 400mg / day, Armoda 250mg / day, but always as one a day, not split. (doses much much higher have been demonstrated perfectly safe, but additional effectiveness drops off so there's no point). There's never been death or physical harm from 20x those max doses, other than insomnia, headache, etc.).

That said, much lower doses work very well for many, and I recommend starting with 100mg moda for any first timer. Some even feel the need to drop from there to Armodafinil 50.

Ok great. I was reading up on it too. I wish I knew which actual data to read. But the overall opinion I saw was there’s no benefit of going more than 400? So I can stick with the 200mg currently and then evaluate. It’s been 4 days on and I take it around 7am.

 

[Ghoul]

Ok great. I was reading up on it too. I wish I knew which actual data to read. But the overall opinion I saw was there’s no benefit of going more than 400? So I can stick with the 200mg currently and then evaluate. It’s been 4 days on and I take it around 7am.

Always keep in mind Modafinil is 50% S/R

If you take another 100mg Moda, half of that will increase the shorter term intensity, half will contribute towards longer duration.

If it's "strong enough" in the short term, just wearing off too quickly, you'd be better off with just adding some Armodafinil on, in 50mg increments, until you find the amount that lasts as long as you need.

The regular 200mg Modafinil is a good balance of rapid onset and decent duration from which to build on, vs straight armodafinil.

 

[Zeus088]

Always keep in mind Modafinil is 50% S/R

If you take another 100mg Moda, half of that will increase the shorter term intensity, half will contribute towards longer duration.

If it's "strong enough" in the short term, just wearing off too quickly, you'd be better off with just adding some Armodafinil on, in 50mg increments, until you find the amount that lasts as long as you need.

The regular 200mg Modafinil is a good balance of rapid onset and decent duration from which to build on, vs straight armodafinil.

Ok makes sense. I’ll wait for that to arrive and stick with 200 for now since it’s a big improvement for the fatigue. Thank you!

 

[Excel.exe]

Make sure to keep your vitamin A up. Moda/Armoda stimulates neurogenesis, the creation of new neurons, but that process is reliant on sufficient Vitamin A levels.

What form of Vitamin A? Retinol? Retinyl Palmitate? Beta-Carotene?

 

[Ghoul]

What form of Vitamin A? Retinol? Retinyl Palmitate? Beta-Carotene?

The key to harnessing the neuroplasticity and neurogenesis stimulated by modafinil is retinoic acid (RA).

The brain is exceedingly effective at converting retinol to RA.

The most potent, bioavailable form of retinol, from what I gather, is isotretinoin.

So the best protocol for durable cognitive enhancement. may be to include low dose accutane in your routine, which will also be good for your skin.

If you were to go down this route, I'd recommend using one of the nanoparticle formulations, like Isotret NF 8mg, as it's otherwise difficult to get decent absorption, requiring a very high fat meal.

 

[Excel.exe]

The most potent, bioavailable form of retinol, from what I gather, is isotretinoin.

Isn't that true only if you take it with fats?

 

[Ghoul]

Isn't that true only if you take it with fats?

Only for the conventional formulations to get absorbed in the GI tract and go systemic. Once in the body isotretinoin is rapidly taken up by the tissues that utilize it.

Nanoparticle isotretinoin quickly passes into the body and bypasses the fat requirement altogether.