First Cycle Compound Choice/Advice

[sfbizercer]

Good afternoon, sorry to bother everyone with yet another "this is what I'm running, am I retarded?" thread, but I just wanted a sanity check on the compounds I plan to run. Ancillaries as needed per bloodwork/feelings, as well as preventatives for kidneys/liver depending on the oral ran.

I plan to run:
- Test C 250mg
- Primo 250mg
- Halo 20mg ED (or tbol, var)

For my reasoning behind these choices: I've heard that primo:test 1:1 is a great place to start (if not simply test), and will offer decent gains with relatively low risk compared to running some other commonly used stuff. Halo seems to not be the safest oral, but I've heard some good things about it (aside from textbook roid rage and the price). I'm open to any suggestions for numbers or compounds, however, if your suggestion is to just run test, I probably won't listen to it. As far as the halo/tbol/var goes, I want an oral in the mix so things are kicked off on day one and not a couple weeks after starting. I do appreciate all help and feedback, and if possible let me know why you would recommend a different compound or dose.

 

[RiceNKimchi]

Drop everything but test and have an ai on hand. Enjoy your first gains.

This is the basic first cycle. Simple. Works.

I get you say you won't listen but you should.

 

[Isrrike]

Your test is too low for that dose of primo. Halo for a first cycle is gonna be a bad time. You’re not on peak weak going into a show or a power lifting competition there’s no rhyme or reason to touch it. 500 test for 12 weeks is good enough

 

[sfbizercer]

Drop everything but test and have an ai on hand. Enjoy your first gains.

This is the basic first cycle. Simple. Works.

I get you say you won't listen but you should.

Maybe if enough of you say so I will haha. Adex, HCG, and some blood/heart related ancillaries on hand in preperation.

 

[sfbizercer]

Your test is too low for that dose of primo. Halo for a first cycle is gonna be a bad time. You’re not on peak weak going into a show or a power lifting competition there’s no rhyme or reason to touch it. 500 test for 12 weeks is good enough

How so? Is the liver melting not worth it? 500 test would be cool if I didn't want to run anything else but with an oral + primo I feel like it'd be a bit much for a first cycle. What testrimo ratio do you think I should aim for? My goal is to not go too overboard on dosages, but have a small variety of compounds so I can reap the nuanced benefits of a few

 

[BigTomJ]

Anything other than test only for a first cycle is the wrong answer.

First cycle isn't just about progress and gains, it's also your first foray into enhancement and is a critical learning opportunity to learn how your individual tolerance, dose response, aromatization rate, side effects prevelance, ect.


You can not accomplish any of these things with more variables than just test.

Forget the orals, orals are a waste of time, much less halo, that's an absolutely foolish idea.

 

[sfbizercer]

Anything other than test only for a first cycle is the wrong answer.

First cycle isn't just about progress and gains, it's also your first foray into enhancement and is a critical learning opportunity to learn how your individual tolerance, dose response, aromatization rate, side effects prevelance, ect.


You can not accomplish any of these things with more variables than just test.

Forget the orals, orals are a waste of time, much less halo, that's an absolutely foolish idea.

I guess when you put it that way, I wouldn't try three new rec drugs in the same night, because I would want to know how I react and such, so I probably shouldn't treat gear any differently.

In any case, do you believe that introducing compounds one at a time, and spaced apart enough for you to be able to track body response (in the ways you mentioned, etc.) via bloods/feels, when using them for the first time is the best way to go about it? Meaning that even if I were to run a prolonged first cycle with test only, I should give it a good amount of time before adding anything else in if at all (or doing so on future cycles, worst case).

Anything in particular you are referring to with orals aside from the bad efficacy / greater organ strain? My main reason for wanting to add an oral was for the first few weeks, but I guess it's just a difference of time so it's probably alright to pass up on provided I can wait patiently for a relatively short amount of time.

 

[Isrrike]

How so? Is the liver melting not worth it? 500 test would be cool if I didn't want to run anything else but with an oral + primo I feel like it'd be a bit much for a first cycle. What testrimo ratio do you think I should aim for? My goal is to not go too overboard on dosages, but have a small variety of compounds so I can reap the nuanced benefits of a few

What are your goals for what you want out of this cycle? You have someone like @BigTomJ in your thread you should take his advice he walks the walk.

 

[BoloYang2023]

Good afternoon, sorry to bother everyone with yet another "this is what I'm running, am I retarded?" thread, but I just wanted a sanity check on the compounds I plan to run. Ancillaries as needed per bloodwork/feelings, as well as preventatives for kidneys/liver depending on the oral ran.

I plan to run:
- Test C 250mg
- Primo 250mg
- Halo 20mg ED (or tbol, var)

For my reasoning behind these choices: I've heard that primo:test 1:1 is a great place to start (if not simply test), and will offer decent gains with relatively low risk compared to running some other commonly used stuff. Halo seems to not be the safest oral, but I've heard some good things about it (aside from textbook roid rage and the price). I'm open to any suggestions for numbers or compounds, however, if your suggestion is to just run test, I probably won't listen to it. As far as the halo/tbol/var goes, I want an oral in the mix so things are kicked off on day one and not a couple weeks after starting. I do appreciate all help and feedback, and if possible let me know why you would recommend a different compound or dose.

so im a newb here man ive been doing trt and my firs cycle was test cyp at 500 mgs a week. got great gains and felt amazing. just saying id also just do test first. im currently on my second cycel and im doing sust and primo... alot of the older more experienced lifters and coaches here arent going to mislead you. if you want the advive then take it if not dont ask for it. just saying, then your wasting ppls time and it wont turn out well for your later posts.

 

[primojuju]

I'll throw ya a bone and say if you can live with only 1 anabolic do 4-500 test and add 4iu gh. Wait a week after you reach steady state levels with the test then add in the gh so IF you get spicy nips you will know its E2 from the test at the start, or prolactin from the gh when you add it in a little ways through. Some people say gh doesn't make a big difference, but on my second blast I added it in with just test and my muscles had a slightly different look full look, skin was waaaay better and I felt like I had made some visual improvements, weight also went up more quickly than just test. Obviously its best to just do test and have an ai on hand but I think its a safe and worthwhile add if you HAVE to have more than one thing on board. Orals kill my stomach and I cant get the calories in, gotta eat to grow more than anything.

 

[BoloYang2023]

I'll throw ya a bone and say if you can live with only 1 anabolic do 4-500 test and add 4iu gh. Wait a week after you reach steady state levels with the test then add in the gh so IF you get spicy nips you will know its E2 from the test at the start, or prolactin from the gh when you add it in a little ways through. Some people say gh doesn't make a big difference, but on my second blast I added it in with just test and my muscles had a slightly different look full look, skin was waaaay better and I felt like I had made some visual improvements, weight also went up more quickly than just test. Obviously its best to just do test and have an ai on hand but I think its a safe and worthwhile add if you HAVE to have more than one thing on board. Orals kill my stomach and I cant get the calories in, gotta eat to grow more than anything.

the gh also has been reported to give ppl spicy nips as well.

 

[sfbizercer]

What are your goals for what you want out of this cycle? You have someone like @BigTomJ in your thread you should take his advice he walks the walk.

I've seen his name around a lot and I know, I respect his advice for sure. My goals are to put on mass as any other cycle would be, obviously to know how I react to compounds as well. I guess my thought process behind wanting to take a few compounds is thinking I simply won't have an adverse reaction to them so it wouldn't be all that important to stagger their introduction or simply just run test. It is definitely smarter from an overall perspective to go one at a time and understand how they affect you, but even smarter than that is not running gear until I've been training for 10 years naturally... So it feels more like where I'm willing to draw the arbitrary line. Leaning with staggering their usage if not just running test after reading yall's feedback.

 

[BigTomJ]

In any case, do you believe that introducing compounds one at a time, and spaced apart enough for you to be able to track body response (in the ways you mentioned, etc.) via bloods/feels, when using them for the first time is the best way to go about it? Meaning that even if I were to run a prolonged first cycle with test only, I should give it a good amount of time before adding anything else in if at all (or doing so on future cycles, worst case).

It's very easy to THINK you've left enough time. In reality there is no rush, adding another compound isn't going to mean 10 more lbs of muscle, it's not even going to mean 1-2 more pounds.

Stick to a plan from start to finish, keep as many variables constant as possible and only change things in emergency situations.

Anything in particular you are referring to with orals aside from the bad efficacy / greater organ strain? My main reason for wanting to add an oral was for the first few weeks, but I guess it's just a difference of time so it's probably alright to pass up on provided I can wait patiently for a relatively short amount of

Not everyone will agree with me on this, but this is my stance on orals.

Orals are dogshit for actual, real progress.
Orals are for TEMPORARY effects, such as the cosmetic effects of winny, anavar, halo or the strength/fullness effects of anadrol/dbol.

If you're not using them for that temporary effect, such as prepping for a show/photo shoot or a powerlifting meet, then you are needlessly stressing your system for little to no actual lasting progress.

You're better off adding additional dosing of an injectable than an oral in nearly every situation.

 

[sfbizercer]

so im a newb here man ive been doing trt and my firs cycle was test cyp at 500 mgs a week. got great gains and felt amazing. just saying id also just do test first. im currently on my second cycel and im doing sust and primo... alot of the older more experienced lifters and coaches here arent going to mislead you. if you want the advive then take it if not dont ask for it. just saying, then your wasting ppls time and it wont turn out well for your later posts.

I didn't mean to come off as arrogant when I was saying "I probably won't take your advice if you say run just test", I was more saying that I'm fairly convinced I want to run more than that, so it would save us both time to not. I do appreciate everyone keeping it real regardless of that request and saying I should just run test if it's their honest advice.

 

[Isrrike]

I didn't mean to come off as arrogant when I was saying "I probably won't take your advice if you say run just test", I was more saying that I'm fairly convinced I want to run more than that, so it would save us both time to not. I do appreciate everyone keeping it real regardless of that request and saying I should just run test if it's their honest advice.

So let’s play a hypothetical here. You run 3 compounds for your first time running aas. You’re running test primo and halo. You wake up 3 weeks into your cycle and your lips are dry your dick doesn’t get hard and you cry because you saw a sad commercial on tv. You do your research and come to the conclusion you have either crashed your estrogen or your ratios fucked. Now what decision do you make. Do you raise your test? Do you drop your primo? Do you add some dbol now ? You don’t know your body’s response off one compound let alone 3. Your “simple” cycle you think you’re starting is gonna become a cluster fuck of confusion and problems. I also wouldn’t shut my nuts off for 250 test to put size on.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I ran test and primo cycle 1.


Biggest regret. Stick to test alone.

 

[Daddymcd]

Good afternoon, sorry to bother everyone with yet another "this is what I'm running, am I retarded?" thread, but I just wanted a sanity check on the compounds I plan to run. Ancillaries as needed per bloodwork/feelings, as well as preventatives for kidneys/liver depending on the oral ran.

I plan to run:
- Test C 250mg
- Primo 250mg
- Halo 20mg ED (or tbol, var)

For my reasoning behind these choices: I've heard that primo:test 1:1 is a great place to start (if not simply test), and will offer decent gains with relatively low risk compared to running some other commonly used stuff. Halo seems to not be the safest oral, but I've heard some good things about it (aside from textbook roid rage and the price). I'm open to any suggestions for numbers or compounds, however, if your suggestion is to just run test, I probably won't listen to it. As far as the halo/tbol/var goes, I want an oral in the mix so things are kicked off on day one and not a couple weeks after starting. I do appreciate all help and feedback, and if possible let me know why you would recommend a different compound or dose.

I’d run 500 test with 30-50mg anavar for your first run

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

ok better respond. 300-500mg of test a week

Need Atleast 4 Test C 200-250mg/ml vials(Always have 1 or 2 extra vials of testosterone)

Get a pill cutter from Amazon/local drug store
I think everyone should get a BP cuff

Have on hand, but don't plan to take it
Aromasin or Anastrazole atleast 20 tabs(As needed, best to grab blood work first but can take a dose AFTER blood is taken if symptoms are bad)
Nolvadex/Tamoxifen 20mg Atleast 60 tabs(As needed, can initate without blood work)
Clomid 50mg x 80 tabs(As needed for pct)

Supplements
good diet
I like potassium citrate and high water intake to control excess water retention

VERY doubtful you would need this but optional
Telmisartan isnt bad to have on hand. (As needed for hypertension, very doubtful you would even need this though)
HCG atleast 5 vials(As needed for pct)

 

[UncleBuns]

Are you familiar with how your body responds to testosterone alone/how you aromatize/any side effects testosterone gives you? If not, then like others are saying, just take testosterone and have AI on hand before starting. You can have incredible results just from this. More importantly though you need to get a baseline of how your body handles test. Pay attention and take notes on things you need to remember for the next cycle. If you mix compounds for a first run you will have no way of knowing which compound is doing what.

Once you have a baseline from the first cycle add 1 more compound in the second if you desire. Add another injectable or an oral, or maybe don't. You may be very happy with the test alone and stick to that. Don't over complicate the drug regimen on your first go. Your main focus should be your training, diet, sleep, and health so you can maximize reaching your goals on cycle. Many focus way to much on the drugs. All the drugs in the world won't get you to your goals. Hard work, discipline, and consistency will though.

 

[BoloYang2023]

I didn't mean to come off as arrogant when I was saying "I probably won't take your advice if you say run just test", I was more saying that I'm fairly convinced I want to run more than that, so it would save us both time to not. I do appreciate everyone keeping it real regardless of that request and saying I should just run test if it's their honest advice.

just wanted to let you know because there are members that we consider here high value members because of their knowledge and input. so they are also the ones that will lay into you as well. just a heads up. they are here to help and guide people ever to tell someone to do some shit that will wreck their lives. and here its more of the slow and steady gains not hurry up and get huge and die in 5 years