First Cycle Log

[T&H]

it’s getting hot in here

No, people shouldn't be giving advice on things they have no experience with. If you follow my posts, I have never given concrete advice or recommendations on Tren, deca, and a few other steroids.

Why? Because I haven't used them and know better than to tell others to use something in a way I have never used. Go ahead, do whatever you want but the best thing you can do is read through multiple cycle logs from past members.

 

[Bigbicep]

No, people shouldn't be giving advice on things they have no experience with. If you follow my posts, I have never given concrete advice or recommendations on Tren, deca, and a few other steroids.

Why? Because I haven't used them and know better than to tell others to use something in a way I have never used. Go ahead, do whatever you want but the best thing you can do is read through multiple cycle logs from past members.

Nah I appreciate the advice bro. I appreciate all the advice. That’s why I came here to see what advice I could get. Because yeah it is my first cycle and I don’t know what to expect and I want to run it as efficiently and effectively as I can without messing my body up. I appreciate all the advice everyone has given me here.

 

[Vanargandar]

Something worth noting @Bigbicep, your hormones are going to fluctuate a bunch when you introduce exogenous Test. So by the time you're even reaching full saturation of 350mg and your body is finally getting used to that burden of hormones, now you're changing it all up again. I could be off base here, but inherently it makes more sense to have a starting dose and stick with it for the cycle/blast and reduce it when needed (again wanting to mention this is dependent on what compound we're talking about).

This is my N=1 experience: I had used 200-300mg of Testosterone for prescribed TRT for a good while. I had the normal experience where I felt a lot better, stronger libido, better body composition. But the first time I ever went to 500mg+ (I think it was 525mg p/w split 75mg p/d) was the first time I actually "felt" like I was on something, in a good way. My physique also changed enough for people to notice. Take that for what you will, I'm not saying you NEED to take 500mg+ of Test to have good results, but hell, if you're going to inject AAS into your body for aesthetic purposes...might as well find the upper tolerable limit for yourself and get the best results you can with the least amount of side effects. Just my two cents.

 

[Bigbicep]

Something worth noting @Bigbicep, your hormones are going to fluctuate a bunch when you introduce exogenous Test. So by the time you're even reaching full saturation of 350mg and your body is finally getting used to that burden of hormones, now you're changing it all up again. I could be off base here, but inherently it makes more sense to have a starting dose and stick with it for the cycle/blast and reduce it when needed (again wanting to mention this is dependent on what compound we're talking about).

This is my N=1 experience: I had used 200-300mg of Testosterone for prescribed TRT for a good while. I had the normal experience where I felt a lot better, stronger libido, better body composition. But the first time I ever went to 500mg+ (I think it was 525mg p/w split 75mg p/d) was the first time I actually "felt" like I was on something, in a good way. My physique also changed enough for people to notice. Take that for what you will, I'm not saying you NEED to take 500mg+ of Test to have good results, but hell, if you're going to inject AAS into your body for aesthetic purposes...might as well find the upper tolerable limit for yourself and get the best results you can with the least amount of side effects. Just my two cents.

Thanks bro, I get what you mean. It is probably worth it just to keep it at the one dose so my hormones arnt always changing. I’ll give it a go and keep this thread updated!

 

[baked_cake]

You might consider taking only one or the other, clomid or nolva and not both. I was on test for about a year, also using a little bit of hcg.

I waited about 30 days after my last shot of test and used 10mg nolva ED, 15 days in it (45 days after my last shot) my test levels were up to 350, stopped taking it at 30 days.

My next pct will be trying 25mg ED clomid, as the nolva really killed my sex drive, like didnt get off for days.

 

[Bigbicep]

You might consider taking only one or the other, clomid or nolva and not both. I was on test for about a year, also using a little bit of hcg.

I waited about 30 days after my last shot of test and used 10mg nolva ED, 15 days in it (45 days after my last shot) my test levels were up to 350, stopped taking it at 30 days.

My next pct will be trying 25mg ED clomid, as the nolva really killed my sex drive, like didnt get off for days.

Probably not… I don’t have HCG I don’t really care if my balls shrink for a few months lol mabey I’ll use it on a more heavier cycle but from my understanding nolva is to help you not grow tits when your test drops and estrogen spikes. Clomid is to help your natural test come back and the aromasin is for the estrogen also.. correct me if I’m wrong please

 

[baked_cake]

Sorry my post may have been hard to read. You stated in your PCT that you would be running both clomid and nolva for about 4 weeks.

My suggestion is to only use one or the other, I don't know what dose you should use but as I stated before my dose of nolva was only 10mg ED and I had good results.

Note: I got my info from the PCT mega thread on r/steroids, they seem to have put a lot of work into collecting info and posting references, not sure if every one agrees though.

 

[Bigbicep]

Sorry my post may have been hard to read. You stated in your PCT that you would be running both clomid and nolva for about 4 weeks.

My suggestion is to only use one or the other, I don't know what dose you should use but as I stated before my dose of nolva was only 10mg ED and I had good results.

Note: I got my info from the PCT mega thread on r/steroids, they seem to have put a lot of work into collecting info and posting references, not sure if every one agrees

I just read the sticky thread on this forum and it says to take a combination of both which makes more sense. If you were to take only one then i would take clomid to boost my natural test but then I may run into gyno problems because I wouldn’t be taking nolva. I might get hcg for the end of my cycle tho

 

[chrisok95]

The only reason to consider titrating is if you plan to blast and cruise. You would want to find the dose of testosterone you could cruise on where you don't experience sides and keep all other hormones within a reasonable range.

 

[Bigbicep]

Guys I have another question about this titration thing. Is it worth titrating to help ease anxiety symptoms? Or should i just see how it goes and put the dosage down as need if needed?

 

[baked_cake]

I'm dealing with the same problem right now brother, high anxiety. I'm trying a beta blocker called nebivilol at 2.5mg/day.

I'm on test and primo and have been brining my primo doses down, I don't remember getting this much anxiety on test, the fact that you are getting anxiety on test alone worries me.

Things I notice about the anxiety, that terrible feeling in my chest, I check my resting pulse and it's in the high 80's, blood pressure also in the 130's I always end up with high blood pressure though.

 

[DECLAN]

I'm dealing with the same problem right now brother, high anxiety. I'm trying a beta blocker called nebivilol at 2.5mg/day.

I'm on test and primo and have been brining my primo doses down, I don't remember getting this much anxiety on test, the fact that you are getting anxiety on test alone worries me.

Things I notice about the anxiety, that terrible feeling in my chest, I check my resting pulse and it's in the high 80's, blood pressure also in the 130's I always end up with high blood pressure though.

Go to a doctor, please don't self diagnose or medicate. Blood pressure is one of the easiest for us to control and doctors would give you prescription for it as soon as you say it runs in your family.

Don't let it ruin your kidneys and heart.

 

[DECLAN]

Guys I have another question about this titration thing. Is it worth titrating to help ease anxiety symptoms? Or should i just see how it goes and put the dosage down as need if needed?

I think just stick with a given dose then observe for sides, get bloodwork if your situation allows it, then adjust from there.

I will always say, use your second cycle to find the maximum testosterone dose you can use without an ai.

As for first cycles, just pin and enjoy them virgin gains.

 

[T&H]

Guys I have another question about this titration thing. Is it worth titrating to help ease anxiety symptoms? Or should i just see how it goes and put the dosage down as need if needed?

I've already given my thoughts on why titration of test is useless. I'll say your anticipated anxiety is probably from reading dudes saying it's the only way to cycle, to avoid sides. Testosterone at a steady level isn't the cause of anxiety, you worrying about it is.

 

[Bigbicep]

I've already given my thoughts on why titration of test is useless. I'll say your anticipated anxiety is probably from reading dudes saying it's the only way to cycle, to avoid sides. Testosterone at a steady level isn't the cause of anxiety, you worrying about it is.

I think just stick with a given dose then observe for sides, get bloodwork if your situation allows it, then adjust from there.

I will always say, use your second cycle to find the maximum testosterone dose you can use without an ai.

As for first cycles, just pin and enjoy them virgin gains.

Thanks heaps. Yea I might just do 500 and then have some blood pressure meds on hand if anything goes wrong

 

[Bigbicep]

Just took my very first pin today! Very nearve racking lol but going to do Ed pins for blood levels

 

[Vanargandar]

Just took my very first pin today! Very nearve racking lol but going to do Ed pins for blood levels

So what amount of Test did you decide on?

 

[Bigbicep]

So what amount of Test did you decide on?

You might be disappointed.. I chose to do 350 for first 2 weeks to see what high test feels like and if everything is good I’m going up to 500 for the rest of the other 14 weeks. So at the moment 50mg daily test e

 

[Vanargandar]

You might be disappointed.. I chose to do 350 for first 2 weeks to see what high test feels like and if everything is good I’m going up to 500 for the rest of the other 14 weeks. So at the moment 50mg daily test e

You do you bro, it's your body! I'm only here for suggestions at the end of the day. If easing into it helps you mentally, or for whatever other reason, then more power to ya

 

[Bigbicep]

You do you bro, it's your body! I'm only here for suggestions at the end of the day. If easing into it helps you mentally, or for whatever other reason, then more power to ya

Cheers my bro! I appreciate all the help. I also got a bp machine. Going to have NAC and telemisartan on hand just incase I need it lol