first cycle of dnp

[Minime]

here is my experince with DNP
I started off and on in sept 09.
I watched almost every calorie I ate, except during a few special occasions around the holidays.
My longest run was 30 days.
No extra cardio, just very low carb/cal, high protein diet.
I lost approximately 50lbs to date.
The last 2 week run I lost only 1-2 lbs. which was the worst.
I hardly went over 500mg/day.
I haven't done any in 4 weeks. Since I stopped I have lost another 5 lbs, although started a little ECA stack last 2 weeks
I am almost at goal.
The sides no one talks about; paranoia, short term memory loss, bad dreams.
The kicker,,I drank 2-3 mich ultras a night, every night.
Good Luck

 

[Stretch]

here is my experince with DNP
I started off and on in sept 09.
I watched almost every calorie I ate, except during a few special occasions around the holidays.
My longest run was 30 days.
No extra cardio, just very low carb/cal, high protein diet.
I lost approximately 50lbs to date.
The last 2 week run I lost only 1-2 lbs. which was the worst.
I hardly went over 500mg/day.
I haven't done any in 4 weeks. Since I stopped I have lost another 5 lbs, although started a little ECA stack last 2 weeks
I am almost at goal.
The sides no one talks about; paranoia, short term memory loss, bad dreams.
The kicker,,I drank 2-3 mich ultras a night, every night.
Good Luck

Why does everyone go on DNP and then lose all semblance of discipline??...I've read about guys just eating whatever they want and now this guy is drinking 2-3 mich's a night...I just don't get it....

We have 2 choices..


Option A
Diet+excercise+patience = results

OR
Option B
Potentially lethal drugs+no discipline+stupidity+impatience= Maybe results...maybe no results...maybe death.....

And over and over again ppl choose option B I don't understand.

 

[msbjohnston]

A woman on a dnp mission

Day 5

Today I drank a protein shake and did my one hour p90x. After my work out I drank another shake and then ate some chips and salsa. (not much I was full from all the water and shakes...)

I have to say that I only feel warm on my face. That's it! I don't think that I'm gonna be able to accomplish anything with that? Should I up my dose? If so if need to know how to....my caps are 250mgs. I only weigh 140 so I can't take two caps ( I'm not really thinking about upping it but I am frustrated that my dose is not enough) I'm not setting a goal weight and I am going to run this cycle for 2 weeks. I figure that I am just being impatience and the longer I'm on it the more it will work.

I guess I just expected that sweating and over warm flashes would happen since I'm on 250mg.

Anyways I have a slumber party to plan for 10 yrs olds so I will update more later....

For the post from guy that drinks while on DNP....there is a reason that you can't lose that last 5 lbs and its beer....cut out the beer and you may see actual results

 

[Stretch]

Once again...I wish conciliator would chime in...as he seems to have a plethora of knowledge on this topic. However, I have read that when users are on DNP crystals they don't get as hot even though their results are very good.

I would be interested to know what conciliator would recommend to stack with DNP if someone wanted additional results...

ECA or maybe Clen....or maybe t3 / t4 since production of t3 / t4 is reduced when on DNP....I dunno but would be interested to find out.

 

[Conciliator]

Why does everyone go on DNP and then lose all semblance of discipline??...I've read about guys just eating whatever they want and now this guy is drinking 2-3 mich's a night...I just don't get it....

We have 2 choices..

Option A
Diet+excercise+patience = results
OR
Option B
Potentially lethal drugs+no discipline+stupidity+impatience= Maybe results...maybe no results...maybe death.....

And over and over again ppl choose option B I don't understand.

Do you realize that his 2 to 3 beers a night is only 190 to 285 calories? That hardly entails he has "no discipline." If it fits into his calories for the day, it doesn't matter. You can have a highly disciplined diet and still make room for some junk food. If you swap out your whole grains for a an amount of white cake that has just as many calories, guess what? Fat loss will be identical.

 

[Stretch]

Do you realize that his 2 to 3 beers a night is only 190 to 285 calories? That hardly entails he has "no discipline." If it fits into his calories for the day, it doesn't matter. You can have a highly disciplined diet and still make room for some junk food. If you swap out your whole grains for a an amount of white cake that has just as many calories, guess what? Fat loss will be identical.

U love pointing out any inconsistency in my posts...

I guess because I'm not a drinker I don't understand it, it seems like adding calories to your diet that have NO NUTRITIONAL BENEFIT probably isn't a good idea....

alcohol contains about 7 calories per gram, which makes it nearly twice as fattening as carbohydrates or protein (both contain about 4 calories per gram) and only just under the caloric value for fat (9 calories per gram). This means that if you want to lose weight and reduce excess body fat, alcohol is not a good choice. PERIOD

 

[Conciliator]

Once again...I wish conciliator would chime in...as he seems to have a plethora of knowledge on this topic. However, I have read that when users are on DNP crystals they don't get as hot even though their results are very good.

People taking crystal DNP don't get as hot simply because they're taking less actual DNP. They'll also have less of an increase in metabolic rate and less fat loss. This is because crystal DNP is not pure DNP, but also contains sodium (it's the sodium salt).

As an analogy, it would be like saying that your 70 proof alcohol doesn't give you as bad of a hangover as when you take an equal number of shots of 80 proof alcohol. That's true, there are fewer side effects, but the 70 proof will also make you less drunk, since you're getting less total alcohol.

I would be interested to know what conciliator would recommend to stack with DNP if someone wanted additional results...

ECA or maybe Clen....or maybe t3 / t4 since production of t3 / t4 is reduced when on DNP....I dunno but would be interested to find out.

EC makes a great stack with DNP for a number of reasons. It helps suppress carb cravings and appetite in general, it provides energy to overcome DNP lethargy, it mobilizes body fat (which DNP can subsequently burn), it reduces breathlessness, it decreases the risk of an allergic response to DNP, and it prevents muscle loss.

I recommend against supplementing with thyroid, since it's notoriously catabolic. Contrary to rumor, DNP doesn't appear to have any adverse effect on thyroid function. I can elaborate on that if anyone's interested.

-Conciliator

 

[Conciliator]

alcohol contains about 7 calories per gram, which makes it nearly twice as fattening as carbohydrates or protein (both contain about 4 calories per gram) and only just under the caloric value for fat (9 calories per gram). This means that if you want to lose weight and reduce excess body fat, alcohol is not a good choice. PERIOD

Calories per gram is an issue of energy density. It has nothing to do with weight loss. According to this logic, a low-carb, high fat diet would be the "worst choice" if "you want to lose weight and reduce excess body fat" because fat has the highest energy density. Except that it's not necessarily a bad choice at all. People lose weight on them all the time. Bodybuilders, including Arnold, have traditionally used ketogenic diets that are extremely high in fat in order to get ripped for competitions.

Which is all to say that your reasoning is asinine. If you want to lose fat total calories matter, not the caloric density of your macronutrients. Once you create a caloric deficit and ensure sufficient protein intake, it makes no difference on body composition where the rest of the calories come from. If he wants to have a few light beers and it fits into his calories, his choice is just fine. It's a problem if he has no idea how many calories he's eating, and he's being lazy and taking in whatever he wants, and the beers are keeping him from creating a caloric deficit and losing weight. But according to him, he's lost 50 pounds in 6 months.

 

[Stretch]

so you're saying it's a good idea to drink alcohol??

If not...then why get on here and tell me my logic is asinine??

A childish way to attempt to exhibit your mental superiority??

The meaning behind my original post is this:

If an individual was struggling to lose weight, to the point where they were willing to put a potentially lethal drug into their bodies, WHY DRINK ALCOHOL?!?!? A substance that first off inarguably inhibits the consumers ability to lose weight. Secondly inarguably dehydrates the consumer, when hydration is already an issue DNP use. We're not talking about an occassional drink. We're not talking about an "off-day" on the weekend. He said he drank a couple beers every night. If he lost 50lbs in 6 months on DNP WHILE DRINKING, IMO he could have lost 50lbs in 6 months without DNP and WITH some additional discipline. He wouldn't have had 50lbs to lose if he was an individual that was accustomed to exerting self discipline.

You're a smart guy. Why attempt to argue with such simple and obviously correct points.

 

[Lizard King]

Calories per gram is an issue of energy density. It has nothing to do with weight loss. According to this logic, a low-carb, high fat diet would be the "worst choice" if "you want to lose weight and reduce excess body fat" because fat has the highest energy density. Except that it's not necessarily a bad choice at all. People lose weight on them all the time. Bodybuilders, including Arnold, have traditionally used ketogenic diets that are extremely high in fat in order to get ripped for competitions.

Which is all to say that your reasoning is asinine. If you want to lose fat total calories matter, not the caloric density of your macronutrients. Once you create a caloric deficit and ensure sufficient protein intake, it makes no difference on body composition where the rest of the calories come from. If he wants to have a few light beers and it fits into his calories, his choice is just fine. It's a problem if he has no idea how many calories he's eating, and he's being lazy and taking in whatever he wants, and the beers are keeping him from creating a caloric deficit and losing weight. But according to him, he's lost 50 pounds in 6 months.

I like reading your posts on this as they make perfect sense as a DNP user. Thanks for your contribution.

 

[Conciliator]

so you're saying it's a good idea to drink alcohol??

No, I'm saying it's not necessarily a bad idea.

The meaning behind my original post is this:

If an individual was struggling to lose weight, to the point where they were willing to put a potentially lethal drug into their bodies, WHY DRINK ALCOHOL?!?!?

Why eat anything that isn't a "health" food? Maybe because you enjoy it? Because you can enjoy it AND still lose weight just fine? Because flexibility (as opposed to staunch restriction) increases overall diet compliance? Because the bro-logic that you have to only eat "clean" food is retarded? In terms of fat loss, it doesn't matter if you drink 200 calories of alcohol or 200 calories of fruit juice. In fact, having 3 cups of orange juice would have given him more calories than his three light beers.

A substance that first off inarguably inhibits the consumers ability to lose weight.

All calories inhibit weight loss, so this "inarguable" argument could be used to condemn the consumption of anything.

Secondly inarguably dehydrates the consumer, when hydration is already an issue DNP use.

I think this is a minor concern with moderate doses of DNP that neither increase body temperature nor sweating. With higher doses, it could be a significant concern. In this case, I don't think we know how high the dose was relative to his tolerance.

We're not talking about an occassional drink. We're not talking about an "off-day" on the weekend. He said he drank a couple beers every night.

And we could be talking right now about a couple of glasses of fruit juice each night or a couple of pieces of bread. So what?

If he lost 50lbs in 6 months on DNP WHILE DRINKING, IMO he could have lost 50lbs in 6 months without DNP and WITH some additional discipline.

If your point is that he didn't need DNP, you're right. Nobody needs DNP to lose weight. You can go ahead and criticize anyone for taking it if you feel like the risks are unacceptable because they're unnecessary. But realize that people take unnecessary risks all the time for benefits that they value, be it sky diving, steroids, or DNP.

You're a smart guy. Why attempt to argue with such simple and obviously correct points.

I don't think your points are "obviously correct." I think they're shortsighted.

 

[Conciliator]

so you're saying it's a good idea to drink alcohol??

No, I'm saying it's not necessarily a bad idea.

The meaning behind my original post is this:

If an individual was struggling to lose weight, to the point where they were willing to put a potentially lethal drug into their bodies, WHY DRINK ALCOHOL?!?!?

Why eat anything that isn't a "health" food? Maybe because you enjoy it? Because you can enjoy it AND still lose weight just fine? Because flexibility (as opposed to staunch restriction) increases overall diet compliance? Because the bro-logic that you have to only eat "clean" food is retarded? In terms of fat loss, it doesn't matter if you drink 200 calories of alcohol or 200 calories of fruit juice. In fact, having 3 cups of orange juice would have given him more calories than his three light beers.

A substance that first off inarguably inhibits the consumers ability to lose weight.

All calories inhibit weight loss, so this "inarguable" argument could be used to condemn the consumption of anything.

Secondly inarguably dehydrates the consumer, when hydration is already an issue DNP use.

I think this is a minor concern with moderate doses of DNP that neither increase body temperature nor sweating. With higher doses, it could be a significant concern. In this case, I don't think we know how high the dose was relative to his tolerance.

We're not talking about an occassional drink. We're not talking about an "off-day" on the weekend. He said he drank a couple beers every night.

And we could be talking right now about a couple of glasses of fruit juice each night or a couple of pieces of bread. So what?

If he lost 50lbs in 6 months on DNP WHILE DRINKING, IMO he could have lost 50lbs in 6 months without DNP and WITH some additional discipline.

If your point is that he didn't need DNP, you're right. Nobody needs DNP to lose weight. You can go ahead and criticize anyone for taking it if you feel like the risks are unacceptable because they're unnecessary. But realize that people take unnecessary risks all the time for benefits that they value, be it sky diving, steroids, or DNP.

 

[Stretch]

I stand by my previous point.

We cannot argue over whether this individual displayed adequate self control because self control is relative. I was merely expressing frustration in the state of our society as a whole, specifically how . A progressively slipping moral base, and work ethic is what I feel I have observed in my short life. You have argued to the N'th degree over whether this man showed self discipline or not, you say that it's possible the beer could be worked into a reasonable diet. I do agree with this, but feel it would be completely ignorant, to add a "just before bed" beer to any diet where fat loss is the primary goal. I'm pretty sure nutritionists, personal trainers, and BB coaches everywhere would agree, as would you.

 

[inayr77]

Hows it going MS.B?.......any updates? I hope all is well and you are seeing good progress.

 

[msbjohnston]

Please help me

People taking crystal DNP don't get as hot simply because they're taking less actual DNP. They'll also have less of an increase in metabolic rate and less fat loss. This is because crystal DNP is not pure DNP, but also contains sodium (it's the sodium salt).-Conciliator

So should I up my dose to 500mg since I am not even really on 250? Because I am not getting the "full on effects" like most people describe.......

Please help me


Day 6
Okay so update:

I think last night was a bit warmer than normal....I am definitely feeling a bit more tired at night but that could be that I am also working out again...

I woke up this afternoon at 2pm....crazy because I have been waking up early all week! I drank some water because my hands seemed a bit swollen...(like I ate a bunch of salt) but yesterday I didn't drink as much water as normal. I drank two cups of coffee and two glasses of ice water...took my Dnp at 3 like I do everyday. I ate some peach yogurt and a piece of lasagna with water of course! I have not felt the effects yet but I know within about 2 hours of eatting I start to feel the heat only on my face.

Yesterday was a warm day for me....Here in Atlanta we are getting rain so it wasn't hot outside but I'm talking about my body.....I really felt it yesterday....

 

[msbjohnston]

WTF? I too my dose and ate its now 6:30 and I have yet to feel the effects......

 

[DIE KRAFT]

I have done 2 cycles of DNP and probably won't ever do another one. Why? The way I felt was like I was beat to the ground. Had no energy to train and sweated like a Mofo all the time. I took all the required supplements and drunk plenty of water - sometimes close to 3 gallons a day.
Bottom line I felt like shit. And training is what it's all about, I love to train. I was fighting a battle just to walk through the gym door. Nothing is easy. Just train = eat clean = and do the cardio. The dividends will come and you will feel better. I know nothing comes easy, but DNP is NOT the way to go.

 

[msbjohnston]

I have done 2 cycles of DNP and probably won't ever do another one. Why? The way I felt was like I was beat to the ground. Had no energy to train and sweated like a Mofo all the time. I took all the required supplements and drunk plenty of water - sometimes close to 3 gallons a day.
Bottom line I felt like shit. And training is what it's all about, I love to train. I was fighting a battle just to walk through the gym door. Nothing is easy. Just train = eat clean = and do the cardio. The dividends will come and you will feel better. I know nothing comes easy, but DNP is NOT the way to go.

thank you for your input but its a little late....I just want advise about already being on DNP

 

[Minime]

Didnt mean to kick up a dust storm.
I tell you all about disicipline;
I work 80+ hours a week
I run my own business and we are way behind, working 7 days.
I have a dog which I need to put down any day.
We have 4 parents which will need fulltime care any day.
I have been working 7 days a week for over 1 year.
I have a nice house paid for.
I have zero bills except property taxes and utilities.
I haven't had anything deep fried food in over 4 years.
I haven't eaten at a drive through in 10 months.
I drink 1-1.5 gallons of water/day.
I use to drink a bottle of good wine every night, I haven't had but 1 glass of wine in 10 months.
I haven't had more then 2 mixed drinks in over 10 months.
I dont take any meds.
I dont smoke.
I go to sleep 7pm and wake 3-4am to go back to work.
I have just turned 50.
My job requires going behind people who have lost their home from foreclosure and value the asset for the Banks. Do you know how many times I see a displaced family, children who now dont have a real home? It makes me sick. I have gone to homes were they have moved and there are tons of toys and children books left behind. I have gone into homes were dad made meth in the family home and now the dwelling has to be destroyed. People dont look to me as the good guy, its not my fault this all happened.

Now If I cant have 2-3 light beers per night I think I would go crazy and propbally kill myself.
So Sterch or who ever you are this isn't the AA forum, this is a forum were people share their experiences with different compuonds and steroids while making their bodies what they want.
I dont have time to post 10 posts per day like you and I dont judge others because of their daily habits, why dont you grow up bro.
I have lost weight I thought I would never lose. I have taught myself how to eat right and avoid those impulse items at the checkout counter, drive past Starbucks, drive past Taco Bell(my all time favorite use to be Del Taco). I grab a Muscle Milk or Rock Star and a bottle of water and remember that I lost 50 ponds and Im almost not over weight according to the BMI calculators.
I also lost 50 pounds while having a somewhat normal life and consuming a beer or 2. I think it is important for others trying to lose weight to know that they can have a beer or 2 and reach their goals rather than treat them like an out cast for not being disciplined. I bet you $100 that there are tons of posters who do drink and dont admit it. My sister on the other hand is very disciplined so much so we are convinced she has an eating disorder. I would rather be me and be able to function in society rather then be disicplined and be affraid of every calorie I consume. But thats just me. Good luck with YOUR disicipline Stretch. Ill continue with my idea of disicipline it seems to be working for me.opcorn:

 

[msbjohnston]

Day 6

Felt the warmth today. Nothing new to update...Ate some steak tacos.....I took my temp yesterday night while I was hot and temp was 100.6 rectally..... I took it again in a different way and it was 99.3!
I dont know if my ass was just hot from my pants or what but it kinda scared me so I cooled down outside....I did take a bubble bath and the water was normal but it felt like a bowl of ice water...I wont be doing that again

That's all.........