First Cycle- Stick with Anavar?

[Creamy Kitty]

Hello Meso,


I was hoping for help on deciding what to start with. I like to go in over my head on most new ventures, but just want to verify I'm on the right track.

I'm stuck deciding between Ostarine (and Cardarine?), Anadrol or Anavar. Osta and Cardarine are very popular in other forums that focus on SARMS, and I have often seen Osta compared to Anavar. It is recommended with Cardarine for recoups, which I guess is what I should be doing.
However, I've been leaning towards Var, since more women seem to use it and do well with it as their first cycle. Specifically, I was thinking 5mg split for a week or two, then 10 mg for 4-6 more weeks, if the side effects don't turn me into Gollum. Does that sound about right?

Considering Anadrol, a member in a 2019 post discussed his wife having great gains with Anadrol over Anavar.There is also a lot of research stating that it is an effective choice for women, but not a good idea for a first cycle. Should I save it for a second or third cycle? Any personal experiences?

My main goal, for now, is to lose my lower stomach, if possible, lift like the Hulk, and gain notable muscle mass.

 

[Demondosage]

Anavar at 10mg daily, all you need!

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

I know very little about anadrol's effects on the female anatomy, but I'm well versed in it personally and it is to be respected. Sides can be quite harsh, that being said with proper care it's extremely effective. Look for a source of anavar with recent testing so you know what you're getting might be a better place to start...

 

[GearGodess]

I personally stay away and never recommend any SARMS as there are many undesirable sides that come with it. Most websites won't tell you the bad and the ugly, especially those that sell it. The high cost, low reward and high risk of SARMS to me and the people I've worked with, aren't worth it. Also, comparing it to actual steroid compounds would be only a "unicorn promise" as they do NOT compare to the real thing. Not even close!

For your first cycle, var would be the smart choice if you're wanting to incorporate AAS. Mind you, none of it is a magic pill and only compliments your training and nutrition. That should be the primary focus. Var is also very efficient in eliminating belly fat in both women and men, but again, please remember that your food is key to your success. Your dose breakdown is good to start.

Anadrol is very different from var. So all depends on your goals. Both great compounds for women to use.

What are your stats, experience with training and nutrition?

 

[Creamy Kitty]

I personally stay away and never recommend any SARMS as there are many undesirable sides that come with it. Most websites won't tell you the bad and the ugly, especially those that sell it. The high cost, low reward and high risk of SARMS to me and the people I've worked with, aren't worth it. Also, comparing it to actual steroid compounds would be only a "unicorn promise" as they do NOT compare to the real thing. Not even close!

For your first cycle, var would be the smart choice if you're wanting to incorporate AAS. Mind you, none of it is a magic pill and only compliments your training and nutrition. That should be the primary focus. Var is also very efficient in eliminating belly fat in both women and men, but again, please remember that your food is key to your success. Your dose breakdown is good to start.

Anadrol is very different from var. So all depends on your goals. Both great compounds for women to use.

What are your stats, experience with training and nutrition?

Thanks for the heads up on SARMS. I don't know anyone who personally uses AAS or SARMS, or go to the gym for that matter, so any insight is helpful.

I'm 5'4.75", 117-120 pounds, 25 years old. I've been in a slight deficit for a few months, eating about 1700 cals a day, usually burning 2200 according to my watch. I figured it probably exaggerates some, so I think I'm just short of maintenance calories. (It looks like I'm losing fat very slowly and gaining a little bit of muscle). For what it is worth, the doctor says I'm at 18.8% BF, but my own measurements suggest closer to 21%.

I eat at least 120g of protein a day, a bit less than 70g of fat, and then the rest are carbs, I'd say less than 150 net, most days. I also track my micros since I don't really eat animal products but once a month.

As far as training goes, I didn't really get into weightlifting until the last two years. I was thinking to wait until 3 to 4 years before I considered adding AAS, but without any decent changes in my measurements this last year, I guess I'm antsy. Beforehand, I was only cardio and yoga for 4 or 5 years. I do full body workouts 4 times a week (2.5-3hrs), with 2 days of light cardio (1hr).

I don't know what my goals are exactly. Nothing particular aesthetically, other than less lower belly and bigger everywhere else. I never plan to compete or anything, I just like increasing on my lifts and thinking I'd be able to sell tickets to the gunshow one day.

 

[Norse13]

I would recommend you to also look into primobolan acetate tablets. Primo is most commonly used as injectable Enanthate, which is a very different beast in that it takes much longer for the effect to show, much longer to get out of your body in case too much side effects, and adjustments of dosage up or down based on your feeling and results is much slower.
Primo Ace is in tablet form, and the effect is relatively quick. Primo Ace may be a bit more difficult to get hold of. At women's dosage, the cost is negligible. My wife has done 5 cycles, with anavar, primo, turinabol, NPP, dbol and hgh - primo wins hands down over anavar for results vs sides effects, she'll never do var again. I understand that other women have very different experience, but I also think that sometimes anavar is recommended on autopilot without even considering other options.
If you do proceed with primo, her dosage has been up to 75mg/day with minimal sides, but started on 25 for 10 days then upped to 50/day.
Whatever you choose, for your first cycle it is helpful to use only one compound (e.g. instead of 2 compounds at half dosage each) so you can really learn the effect of that drug on your body. If you mix 2 and you don't like the side effects, you can't really know which one to reduce/eliminate.

 

[Gbro]

... I'd be able to sell tickets to the gunshow one day.

Everyone wants to sell tickets to the gun show!

 

[Creamy Kitty]

I would recommend you to also look into primobolan acetate tablets. Primo is most commonly used as injectable Enanthate, which is a very different beast in that it takes much longer for the effect to show, much longer to get out of your body in case too much side effects, and adjustments of dosage up or down based on your feeling and results is much slower.
Primo Ace is in tablet form, and the effect is relatively quick. Primo Ace may be a bit more difficult to get hold of. At women's dosage, the cost is negligible. My wife has done 5 cycles, with anavar, primo, turinabol, NPP, dbol and hgh - primo wins hands down over anavar for results vs sides effects, she'll never do var again. I understand that other women have very different experience, but I also think that sometimes anavar is recommended on autopilot without even considering other options.
If you do proceed with primo, her dosage has been up to 75mg/day with minimal sides, but started on 25 for 10 days then upped to 50/day.
Whatever you choose, for your first cycle it is helpful to use only one compound (e.g. instead of 2 compounds at half dosage each) so you can really learn the effect of that drug on your body. If you mix 2 and you don't like the side effects, you can't really know which one to reduce/eliminate.

Huh, I honestly never even considered primo. I saw a few diary reports by other women saying that they experienced voice changes pretty quickly. And you're right, it is hard to find, at least with a quick scan on the sources I'm considering. The only source I've seen, you appear to have used in the past. Honestly, I am wary of them, based off of other comments. (Sorry, I wasn't stalking your profile, I did a search for primo ace and it brought up a page where you discussed purchasing it).

 

[Villain]

Huh, I honestly never even considered primo. I saw a few diary reports by other women saying that they experienced voice changes pretty quickly. And you're right, it is hard to find, at least with a quick scan on the sources I'm considering. The only source I've seen, you appear to have used in the past. Honestly, I am wary of them, based off of other comments. (Sorry, I wasn't stalking your profile, I did a search for primo ace and it brought up a page where you discussed purchasing it).

Stalking is ok, as long as you aren’t being malicious

And if you’re referring to ARL, stay the heck away from them!

 

[GearGodess]

Huh, I honestly never even considered primo. I saw a few diary reports by other women saying that they experienced voice changes pretty quickly. And you're right, it is hard to find, at least with a quick scan on the sources I'm considering. The only source I've seen, you appear to have used in the past. Honestly, I am wary of them, based off of other comments. (Sorry, I wasn't stalking your profile, I did a search for primo ace and it brought up a page where you discussed purchasing it).

Primo is typically used as second cycle as most women start with the mildest sides compound. Secondly, it is nearly impossible to find legit Primo that is actually Primo not EQ or Mast due to the high cost. And finally, Primo E is injectable which most women shy away from pinning, especially on their first run.
As for Primo Ace, sourcing that is also hard so once again, you have better odds in finding legit Var over Primo in oral (Acetate) or injectable (Enanthate) form.

 

[Creamy Kitty]

Primo is typically used as second cycle as most women start with the mildest sides compound. Secondly, it is nearly impossible to find legit Primo that is actually Primo not EQ or Mast due to the high cost. And finally, Primo E is injectable which most women shy away from pinning, especially on their first run.
As for Primo Ace, sourcing that is also hard so once again, you have better odds in finding legit Var over Primo in oral (Acetate) or injectable (Enanthate) form.

Good to know and always great to hear from another lady. I'm going to probably stick with var for the first cycle then, and then maybe look more into Anadrol or Primo, depending on how Anavar goes will hopefully help me make up my mind. Thanks for all the help.

 

[GearGodess]

Good to know and always great to hear from another lady. I'm going to probably stick with var for the first cycle then, and then maybe look more into Anadrol or Primo, depending on how Anavar goes will hopefully help me make up my mind. Thanks for all the help.

No problem. We're here to help. And don't rush it, enjoy it... once cycle and compound at a time there are many future options for you!

 

[Gbro]

Good call

 

[Norse13]

Primo is typically used as second cycle as most women start with the mildest sides compound. Secondly, it is nearly impossible to find legit Primo that is actually Primo not EQ or Mast due to the high cost. And finally, Primo E is injectable which most women shy away from pinning, especially on their first run.
As for Primo Ace, sourcing that is also hard so once again, you have better odds in finding legit Var over Primo in oral (Acetate) or injectable (Enanthate) form.

Hi, with respect, I'm not sure if that is the current market situation. Sure, 3-5 years ago. But now there's at least 3 easily available testing services which have exposed fakes, and which forces the bigger suppliers to tighten their quality control.
In the past 5 years, not a single primo e tested by AnabolicLabs have contained anything else than primo. Some have been underdosed. About 5 years ago, one vial had virtually no active ingredients whatsoever.
If you buy from a large reputable supplier e.g. PharmaCom from BasicStero or Balkan Pharma from ashop, you can be pretty sure that you get what you paid for, and you can still send it for testing to get that confirmed. As far as I know, there has been only one disputed result from ashop products in the last few years, which was test e, and the testing lab Simec admitted that they erred on the test and the product was actually within spec.
If you have seen large amount of test reports of fake primo, please share them with the members so we can steer away from those brands.
I have another bottle of primo a tabs that I was recently given free of charge, from a brand that I've never seen before. I still have loads of Balkan primo, but once that stash reduces I will send these new tabs to @janoshik for testing and share the results here.

 

[Villain]

Hi, with respect, I'm not sure if that is the current market situation. Sure, 3-5 years ago. But now there's at least 3 easily available testing services which have exposed fakes, and which forces the bigger suppliers to tighten their quality control.
In the past 5 years, not a single primo e tested by AnabolicLabs have contained anything else than primo. Some have been underdosed. About 5 years ago, one vial had virtually no active ingredients whatsoever.
If you buy from a large reputable supplier e.g. PharmaCom from BasicStero or Balkan Pharma from ashop, you can be pretty sure that you get what you paid for, and you can still send it for testing to get that confirmed. As far as I know, there has been only one disputed result from ashop products in the last few years, which was test e, and the testing lab Simec admitted that they erred on the test and the product was actually within spec.
If you have seen large amount of test reports of fake primo, please share them with the members so we can steer away from those brands.
I have another bottle of primo a tabs that I was recently given free of charge, from a brand that I've never seen before. I still have loads of Balkan primo, but once that stash reduces I will send these new tabs to @janoshik for testing and share the results here.

Readily available testing has most definitely made huge changes in this game and yet assholes like ARL Russia still tried to pass off Primo A tabs for Anavar and sold Primo 100 at 74mg. I think some of the scammers still hope for the old mindset in buyers that trust them and whatever reputation they think they have. But by and large, you are correct - the products are rarely faked anymore.

 

[Villain]

Readily available testing has most definitely made huge changes in this game and yet assholes like ARL Russia still tried to pass off Primo A tabs for Anavar and sold Primo 100 at 74mg. I think some of the scammers still hope for the old mindset in buyers that trust them and whatever reputation they think they have. But by and large, you are correct - the products are rarely faked anymore.

I realize my mistake - they tried to pass off Anavar as Primo A tabs.

 

[Norse13]

I realize my mistake - they tried to pass off Anavar as Primo A tabs.

That's right. The bottle was labelled primo a 25mg, but was tested as anavar 8mg. I didn't even get my money back, nor an apology from those ARL assholes. The labelling of the bottle was very amateurish, my son could have done a better job in kindergarten. Anyway, live and learn. Total loss about €150 for the tabs, testing and shipping.

 

[Villain]

That's right. The bottle was labelled primo a 25mg, but was tested as anavar 8mg. I didn't even get my money back, nor an apology from those ARL assholes. The labelling of the bottle was very amateurish, my son could have done a better job in kindergarten. Anyway, live and learn. Total loss about €150 for the tabs, testing and shipping.

That was yours? Oh man, I didn’t even realize that was you. Scamming bastards. Their logo was so gay.