First Cycle Test E only or Test E + Tren E

[JoshaFlockz]

21 yrs old, 170 lbs, 5'8 , hovering between 10-12% bf, been around AAS for a while , helped my cousin with injections during his test only cycle, been training for about 4 years with some breaks in between, flat bench 315x2 , squat 335x3 , will update with pics later on , was just wanting some advice from the experienced bro's on here as to which would be a better choice for a first cycle since it brings the most gains , test E only or tren e and test E with tren dosage being higher than test dosage , probably 400 tren - 200 test for 12 weeks , will have an AI on hand , PCT will be nolva and clomid ,never had problems with diet , always high protein low fat and carbs fluctuate depending on what I'm training that day , goal is to gain 15-20 lbs of lean mass and keep most of it

 

[Milk Man]

21 yrs old, 170 lbs, 5'8 , hovering between 10-12% bf, been around AAS for a while , helped my cousin with injections during his test only cycle, been training for about 4 years with some breaks in between, flat bench 315x2 , squat 335x3 , will update with pics later on , was just wanting some advice from the experienced bro's on here as to which would be a better choice for a first cycle since it brings the most gains , test E only or tren e and test E with tren dosage being higher than test dosage , probably 400 tren - 200 test for 12 weeks , will have an AI on hand , PCT will be nolva and clomid ,never had problems with diet , always high protein low fat and carbs fluctuate depending on what I'm training that day , goal is to gain 15-20 lbs of lean mass and keep most of it

You dont need steroids for gaining 15 lbs.

Also you are too young, come back to this idea in 5 years.

 

[JoshaFlockz]

My goals are very high, IFBB kind of high, I know all the bs you're all gonna say about how young I am or about gaining mass the natural way but I have other plans and I've plateaud for a while now and usually can't get over 175 unless I increase my bf significantly which is not what I want , I can easily be 190 , but obvs not be 10% fb at the same time , unless I train for another 5 years , my question is not a matter of if I should do it or not , it's only a matter of what kind of cycle , so only helpful replies would be appreciated

 

[guyzcool]

My goals are very high, IFBB kind of high, I know all the bs you're all gonna say about how young I am or about gaining mass the natural way but I have other plans and I've plateaud for a while now and usually can't get over 175 unless I increase my bf significantly which is not what I want , I can easily be 190 , but obvs not be 10% fb at the same time , unless I train for another 5 years , my question is not a matter of if I should do it or not , it's only a matter of what kind of cycle , so only helpful replies would be appreciated

Ok, you haven't plateu at 175lbs. Sorry bud, and post pictures, when people say they are 10% they are muscle closers to 20%. Normally I'm all for "young" people jumping on gesr, and I'm good with it but you're coming off as and asshole to a wkm, and fuck why not just do tren, test, dbol and throw in some deca, you wanna be ifbb. Whatever it takes man.

 

[Milk Man]

My goals are very high, IFBB kind of high, I know all the bs you're all gonna say about how young I am or about gaining mass the natural way but I have other plans and I've plateaud for a while now and usually can't get over 175 unless I increase my bf significantly which is not what I want , I can easily be 190 , but obvs not be 10% fb at the same time , unless I train for another 5 years , my question is not a matter of if I should do it or not , it's only a matter of what kind of cycle , so only helpful replies would be appreciated

You already know all the bullshit we are gonna say then why make the thread? Your 21, of course you know everything. Have at it cowboy.

 

[guyzcool]

You already know all the bullshit we are gonna say then why make the thread? Your 21, of course you know everything. Have at it cowboy.

If people come on here like complete assholes and don't know anything about the risks but "know all about the underage bs" I say fuck them, go fuck up your endocrine system until you need viagra and a penis pump to get an erection

 

[Milk Man]

If people come on here like complete assholes and don't know anything about the risks but "know all about the underage bs" I say fuck them, go fuck up your endocrine system until you need viagra and a penis pump to get an erection

He's gonna pin whatever he can get his hands on anyway so what the fuck is the point. Wish i knew everything..

 

[mindgame1516]

So for example Arnold was juicing already by 20. If he came here in a forum at that age before anyone knew him asking for advice on a cycle do you think he would care about people saying your to young...



If your going to cycle make sure you know everything about pct and exactly what every steroids does also all side effects, possible and make sure you are using at minimal 750iu of Hcg a week split intob2-3 days. Hcg is very important to run if you plan on starting early. And always pct. Other wise you will have a very high percent of messing up your boys.

You know dam well half the members here started very early. Just like telling your kids don't do drugs or drink. Who did drink when they we're 16~your better wasting your time explaining the trade offs, and explaining how to properly cycle pct, AI, &Hcg. Everyone has the voice to decide what they want to do with the body's.

 

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So for example Arnold was juicing already by 20. If he came here in a forum at that age before anyone knew him asking for advice on a cycle do you think he would care about people saying your to young...

This dude ain't Arnold. That said he is simply going to do whatever he already decided before he came here. Same as the other ones do.

 

[mindgame1516]

If someone is told the consequences and knows and still chooses to do its theoretical their problen

 

[JoshaFlockz]

So for example Arnold was juicing already by 20. If he came here in a forum at that age before anyone knew him asking for advice on a cycle do you think he would care about people saying your to young...



If your going to cycle make sure you know everything about pct and exactly what every steroids does also all side effects, possible and make sure you are using at minimal 750iu of Hcg a week split intob2-3 days. Hcg is very important to run if you plan on starting early. And always pct. Other wise you will have a very high percent of messing up your boys

Thanks mind game for actually throwing in some advice , obvs I came off in the wrong way , I'm here for advice in every aspect , I said I understand I'm young ahead of time to avoid that topic , I meant plateaud for the time being I know by the time I'm 25 I'll gain more muscle mass , but not at the rate that I want for the goals I have , I'm not trying to be an asshole to anyone , I just want more insight into my question about wether to just do a test E cycle to see how I react to it both gains and sides or throw in some tren E to maximize the gains/hardness it would attribute , I don't know everything , if I did I wouldn't be asking for advice on here , so sorry if I came off that way op, im %100 I'm under 15% bf , will post pictures in a couple minutes

 

[JoshaFlockz]

 

[JoshaFlockz]

I'm thinking I'm currently like 13% bf ? Not sure but I'm all for constructive criticism.

 

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I'm thinking I'm currently like 13% bf ? Not sure but I'm all for constructive criticism.

You look like you lift but you definitely are nothing like close to your natural maximum.

 

[Gronk87]

You look 15% with good fat distribution to me but you do have a good base. Definitely only test for your first cycle It's not a matter of waiting just to wait. You have to learn your response to aromatization and dial in your AI dose with bloods. Otherwise you could end up with all sorts of prolactin related sides from the tren because you don't yet know how to control your E. You will blow the fuck up on test alone don't worry. Not gonna waste time telling you not to cycle yet because you are going to anyway. Test only. Have fun.

 

[JoshaFlockz]

You look 15% with good fat distribution to me but you do have a good base. Definitely only test for your first cycle It's not a matter of waiting just to wait. You have to learn your response to aromatization and dial in your AI dose with bloods. Otherwise you could end up with all sorts of prolactin related sides from the tren because you don't yet know how to control your E. You will blow the fuck up on test alone don't worry. Not gonna waste time telling you not to cycle yet because you are going to anyway. Test only. Have fun.

Thanks Dave D , I agree and I'll be going with just test E @ 500mg a week for 10-12 weeks with bloods done before and after , to learn my reactions then maybe in the future try out some tren

 

[mindgame1516]

If your going to try tren run tren ace. You don't want a long Ester in you and you end up not reacting well the sides will last a lot longer

 

[mindgame1516]

Bill Robert just wrote a article about ppl asking about trending there'd I r 's TB cycle and I 100% agree with what he says. Steroids are not drugs you build a tolerance to. If that was the case every man would need trt as he gets older because he's so immune to he's own test levels but that's not the case..

 

[guyzcool]

Thanks Dave D , I agree and I'll be going with just test E @ 500mg a week for 10-12 weeks with bloods done before and after , to learn my reactions then maybe in the future try out some tren

Good, that sensible for sure. Save tren for later, you'll make amazing gains with test e at 500. Trust me. Have an ai, either arimidex (.05mg/ed or eod) or aromasin (12.5 mg/ed or eod). Then have your pct planned other before you start. Clomid and Nolvadex together make the best combo. I like clomid: 100/100/50/50 And Nolvadex 40/40/20/20. If you want to run hcg, run it on cycle. I like 500 iu/wk, any more than that and you'll just desensitize yourself and have to deal with the extra estrogen.

 

[JoshaFlockz]

The hcg isn't necessary I suppose , it's just for cosmetic , cause your nuts would come back during pct anyway I assume