First cycle

[Rubens_tr]

Hello everyone, I'm just looking for a piece of advice, I am about to do my first cycle, actually, I tried 300mg test E two months ago but I was just for one month because the seller had some trouble and I couldn't get any more, didn't even notice any effect.
I'm 23, 180 height and 178 lb with aprox. 17-18% fat and 2 years of training. I'm planning to do 8 weeks of bulking and 4 of cut. This is the first idea:
-4 weeks Test C 300mg/week + 10mg dianabol everyday
-4 weeks Test C 450mg/week
-4 weeks Test C 300mg/week + 25mg stanozolol everyday
I have access to a liver protector and Nolvadex and Clomid but I just don't know the quantities yet.

Do you think it might be a good idea or maybe give me some suggestions?

 

[Rival]

Do you think it might be a good idea or maybe give me some suggestions?

I think you should hit the breaks. Not trying to be an ass hole here but you don’t sound very prepared or know what you’re doing. You’re 23 but I won’t give you shit for that, many will tell you that’s way too young. It’s not a magic #, but at 23 I didn’t know enough about myself, training, and diet to get an really benefit from AAS. 2 years of training under your belt isn’t enough time to get all that down.

I'm planning to do 8 weeks of bulking and 4 of cut.

One or the other not both. Do your cut natty, train for a few more years and reconsider a bulk cycle with much more research. I honestly on good faith can’t recommend you to hop on anything right now.
When you are ready, stick to one compound and see how your body reacts to that. Throwing dbol into your first cycle is a shit storm waiting to happen.

 

[MegaDaveMustang]

What's the reasoning behind upping the test from 300 to 450 after 4 weeks then back down to 300 for another 4? I feel keeping a steady dose throughout will aid in maintaining stable levels.

Also, (and if you're dead set on running aas at this time - personally I recommend waiting a couple more years at your age but I know) I think doing an 8 week bulk then straight into a 4 week cut, if that is your plan, isn't very beneficial. With long ester test I would run it 10-12 weeks, preferably 12 at minimum.

Then take a 12 week break for PCT and maintenance, if you're not on TRT.

If you are wanting to do a short cut cycle, test prop would be the way to go, 6-8 weeks. This is just from my personal experience and opinion.

And concerning orals I'm not a fan of utilizing them at the start of a long cycle - rather at the end for the last 4-6 weeks depending on the compound. This especially helps break any plateau I have experienced in my cycles. Again, all of this is just my opinion from my own trials and errors through the years.

Also it would benefit you to make a detailed intro in the new member section. Provide your stats and initial goals, that will go a long way on getting some proper advice and feedback.

 

[Rival]

I tried 300mg test E two months ago but I was just for one month because the seller had some trouble and I couldn't ge

this was also a terrible idea on your end for so many reason.

 

[Rubens_tr]

I think you should hit the breaks. Not trying to be an ass hole here but you don’t sound very prepared or know what you’re doing. You’re 23 but I won’t give you shit for that, many will tell you that’s way too young. It’s not a magic #, but at 23 I didn’t know enough about myself, training, and diet to get an really benefit from AAS. 2 years of training under your belt isn’t enough time to get all that down.





One or the other not both. Do your cut natty, train for a few more years and reconsider a bulk cycle with much more research. I honestly on good faith can’t recommend you to hop on anything right now.
When you are ready, stick to one compound and see how your body reacts to that. Throwing dbol into your first cycle is a shit storm waiting to happen.

It's all good, every pieced of advice is welcome, with all of this, I was just looking for a boost, gaining 5-10 lb in the first 8 weeks and then going for a minicut during the last 4.
I know just the basics about steroids, that's why I came here, although, I know enough about training and diets as I' m currently getting done a pair of personal training courses (Powerexplosive and FESWC).

I will take in count your suggestions tho, thanks a lot

 

[Rubens_tr]

What's the reasoning behind upping the test from 300 to 450 after 4 weeks then back down to 300 for another 4? I feel keeping a steady dose throughout will aid in maintaining stable levels.

Also, (and if you're dead set on running aas at this time - personally I recommend waiting a couple more years at your age but I know) I think doing an 8 week bulk then straight into a 4 week cut, if that is your plan, isn't very beneficial. With long ester test I would run it 10-12 weeks, preferably 12 at minimum.

Then take a 12 week break for PCT and maintenance, if you're not on TRT.

If you are wanting to do a short cut cycle, test prop would be the way to go, 6-8 weeks. This is just from my personal experience and opinion.

And concerning orals I'm not a fan of utilizing them at the start of a long cycle - rather at the end for the last 4-6 weeks depending on the compound. This especially helps break any plateau I have experienced in my cycles. Again, all of this is just my opinion from my own trials and errors through the years.

Also it would benefit you to make a detailed intro in the new member section. Provide your stats and initial goals, that will go a long way on getting some proper advice and feedback.

The upping and getting down of the test was just me getting afraid of loosing anabolic potential from leaving dianabol apart.
And the idea of using an oral in the first 4 months comes from a guy very experienced in this who said that it would be benefitial because the test does not get at the max. point of quantity in blood until 3-4 weeks and that would help anybody not waste those weeks.
Thanks a lot

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

You’re 23. What are your natural testosterone levels right now? Go get it tested.

At 23 you probably feel invincible which is why this seems like a good idea. If you have only been training for 2 years you’ll be disappointed by steroids. You need to build a better base. Taking PEDs now will only get you to the same point you would naturally except in half the time. Get closer to your “genetic potential” naturally, then add the drugs to get to the next level. Work on your training and at 18% body fat you need to work on that diet to. Training and diet are far far far better than steroids.

These “bulk then cut” cycles sure sound great but it is very hard to do that in reality. Chance are that you’ll be one of the guys that posts “no results is my test bunk?” To grow muscle mass you need to EAT. A lot. You’re not going to grow all that much in just 4-6 weeks. So either shed that fat now, or do it after the full cycle. Otherwise you’ll chase your tail and end up back where you are right now.

You won’t like hearing it but take the next 2-3 years to 1) become an expert on diet 2) become an expert on your training. Read everything you can about testosterone the HPTA axis and performance enhancing drugs. Don’t rely on the advice from others. Know it yourself. Your questions should only be experience-related. Not basic stuff like you asked here in this thread.

Don’t do a “kickstart” with Dbol. Just wait for the test to work it’s magic. Orals are better at the end of a cycle to break thru a plateau. Dbol is crap anyway. It’ll just mess up your estrogen and get you off on the wrong foot. Then when you stop taking it all the benefits from it disappear.

 

[Rubens_tr]

You’re 23. What are your natural testosterone levels right now? Go get it tested.

At 23 you probably feel invincible which is why this seems like a good idea. If you have only been training for 2 years you’ll be disappointed by steroids. You need to build a better base. Taking PEDs now will only get you to the same point you would naturally except in half the time. Get closer to your “genetic potential” naturally, then add the drugs to get to the next level. Work on your training and at 18% body fat you need to work on that diet to. Training and diet are far far far better than steroids.

These “bulk then cut” cycles sure sound great but it is very hard to do that in reality. Chance are that you’ll be one of the guys that posts “no results is my test bunk?” To grow muscle mass you need to EAT. A lot. You’re not going to grow all that much in just 4-6 weeks. So either shed that fat now, or do it after the full cycle. Otherwise you’ll chase your tail and end up back where you are right now.

You won’t like hearing it but take the next 2-3 years to 1) become an expert on diet 2) become an expert on your training. Read everything you can about testosterone the HPTA axis and performance enhancing drugs. Don’t rely on the advice from others. Know it yourself. Your questions should only be experience-related. Not basic stuff like you asked here in this thread.

Don’t do a “kickstart” with Dbol. Just wait for the test to work it’s magic. Orals are better at the end of a cycle to break thru a plateau. Dbol is crap anyway. It’ll just mess up your estrogen and get you off on the wrong foot. Then when you stop taking it all the benefits from it disappear.

I will look into the best way to get a blood test.

I have to say that getting to the next level is not my intention, I don't ever wanna have to maintain that, I just want to get closer to my natural limit a bit faster, I'm not looking for a mutation, just a way to speed up the thing the best way I can, looking after my health. I eat and train good (at least since the beggining of the hear, when I learnt a lot of things, I'm close to be personal trainer).


Thanks for the advice, if I end up doing this, I wil forget about a bulk and cut cycle and Dbol, otherwise I considered other options as oxandrolone, turinabol and proviron (wich I saw that could help with the secondary effects in general), maybe you can tell me something about that idea, I know that only test would be the best idea tho.

Again, thanks a lot, feels good to find people here caring about my health, other guys I know would have told me "yeah of course, go for it and rise the dbol if you can, you'll be a monster", you know how it works, lots of bullshit out there.

 

[malfeasance]

Re-read BigBaldBeardGuy's post. Take it all in. I will be more blunt. You do not know what you are doing with training and diet natty, so taking steroids is going to make things only marginally better if at all.

Also the "bulk for a few weeks then cut for 4 weeks" is fucking retarded.

You need to figure out what you are doing. Get your diet sorted. Get your training down. Get into good shape.

Then, maybe, adding hormones will give you great results.

Your ideas about oxandrolone, turinabol, and proviron . . . geez, just do some testosterone, but get to the point of having a clue what you are doing first. Get leaner. Steroids absolutely work better when lean (less aromatization).

Start tracking your macros.

 

[Rubens_tr]

Re-read BigBaldBeardGuy's post. Take it all in. I will be more blunt. You do not know what you are doing with training and diet natty, so taking steroids is going to make things only marginally better if at all.

Also the "bulk for a few weeks then cut for 4 weeks" is fucking retarded.

You need to figure out what you are doing. Get your diet sorted. Get your training down. Get into good shape.

Then, maybe, adding hormones will give you great results.

Your ideas about oxandrolone, turinabol, and proviron . . . geez, just do some testosterone, but get to the point of having a clue what you are doing first. Get leaner. Steroids absolutely work better when lean (less aromatization).

Start tracking your macros.

I thought about the bulking and then cut because I read about a cut and then bulk cycle and I thought I could reverse it, I'happy that y'all told me it was not a good idea.

I know what I'm doing with my training and my diet, I'm following your advices and I am working on a nutritional plan to try to get fron that 17% to a 12% in 2 or a max. of 3 months, all natty.

About the oxa blabla thing, I just wanted to know if you thought it could be better as long as my target is just making things faster, not trying to brake my limits, not trying to make steroids the base of everything.

Thanks again.

 

[WDE]

I thought about the bulking and then cut because I read about a cut and then bulk cycle and I thought I could reverse it, I'happy that y'all told me it was not a good idea.

I know what I'm doing with my training and my diet, I'm following your advices and I am working on a nutritional plan to try to get fron that 17% to a 12% in 2 or a max. of 3 months, all natty.

About the oxa blabla thing, I just wanted to know if you thought it could be better as long as my target is just making things faster, not trying to brake my limits, not trying to make steroids the base of everything.

Thanks again.

Yeah you know what you're doing with training and diet so well you weigh 175 lbs and are 20% body fat.

 

[Rubens_tr]

Yeah you know what you're doing with training and diet so well you weigh 175 lbs and are 20% body fat.

Well I guess you'll be able to check here that I have some kind of idea of what I'm doing, Its been a long way, losing around 45lb and I have spent the last 8-9 months studying a personal trainer course that I just finished, so yes, I might know something. I took that image two months ago and I got a bit of fat because of stress.

 

[FlatlandLifter]

You’re able to make good progress naturally, based off the pictures so I’d suggest not taking the short cut you want to take. Fix whatever is stressing you, because if you do your cycle and the stressor is still there you’ll just have a further fall coming off cycle. Stress = cortisol. Cortisol kills gains.

But as the others posted two years is not long enough training and you’re too young, I started young and wish I waited. Your first mistake with your previous cycle attempt was not having what you needed on hand, a cycle is more than just a vial of testosterone. What had happened if you were 12 weeks in, being shut down and your guy couldn’t get you pct? It would be a shitty few months after that.
Stick around the forums and read, anything you need to know prior to cycling is in them or a google search away.
If you decide to ignore everyone that told you to wait and do a cycle, keep it with one compound, keep a steady dose, have everything you need for the cycle + post and don’t expect magic to happen.

 

[Rubens_tr]

You’re able to make good progress naturally, based off the pictures so I’d suggest not taking the short cut you want to take. Fix whatever is stressing you, because if you do your cycle and the stressor is still there you’ll just have a further fall coming off cycle. Stress = cortisol. Cortisol kills gains.

But as the others posted two years is not long enough training and you’re too young, I started young and wish I waited. Your first mistake with your previous cycle attempt was not having what you needed on hand, a cycle is more than just a vial of testosterone. What had happened if you were 12 weeks in, being shut down and your guy couldn’t get you pct? It would be a shitty few months after that.
Stick around the forums and read, anything you need to know prior to cycling is in them or a google search away.
If you decide to ignore everyone that told you to wait and do a cycle, keep it with one compound, keep a steady dose, have everything you need for the cycle + post and don’t expect magic to happen.

Okay I understand it all, I'm surprised that you consider that 2 years is not enough tho but it is normal I guess, just that feeling like... bro, I've been two years working hard, I want more.

This is not an easy trip, I'll try to assimilate everything, thank you so much.