First DNP Cycle

[cali96]

Whats up guys. Starting a DNP cycle July 6th as follows

Days 1-4: 250 mg crystalline ed
Days 5-17 500 mg crystalline ed
After that off for hopefully ever depending on results

I am 20 y/o 6' 3 202 lbs right now. rough guess I would say 21-23% bf will post pics on first day
I plan on taking NO support supps. Just 2 gal water per day, 1-2 cups v8, 25 mg ephedrine and 200 mg caffeine and a bj's multi so i guess 3 support supps actually LOL. Again, this is my first cycle but I think I can handle it. I will get nutrients and electrolytes through food and drink. eating at 2500 cals 50/30/20 macros. clean foods greek yogurt, oats, brown rice, sweet potatoe, chicken, honey, fruits veggies.

Will be back on 7-6-2016 to begin the daily updates

GOALS when it is all said and done: 188lbs and 15% bf or less

 

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must lose weight if you are 6'3 200lbs 20% to get to 6'3 275 lbs 20%

You either don't know what "math" means or what the phrase "lose weight means".

Probably both.

 

[MrRippedZilla]

Completely agree and thank you for providing better sources than mine. What is UG? Also side note to anyone who will be follow my cycle of DNP on here, my second link "DNP myths" is in fact a seller of DNP. Not only that, he is to my understanding the best DNP source online so if you like what happens over the course of my cycle and want to give dnp a try I highly recommend him

ugbodybuilding.com

Your log will be better appreciated, and the advice more accurate over there.

 

[cali96]

You either don't know what "math" means or what the phrase "lose weight means".

Probably both.

Ok will be waiting to hear You gained 75lbs 0lbs fat

 

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Ok will be waiting to hear You gained 75lbs 0lbs fat

I have to assume English is your 3rd language?

 

[MrRippedZilla]

Do you have any research on this? This is a pretty debated topic. I find it hard to believe personally that DNP doesn't cause a catabolic state, perhaps not directly but indirectly.


Weren't those studies performed on rats?

Those studies were for Dr Jim's benefit - it gives a deeper understanding of the mechanism at play here and certainly not stuff I expect laymen to understand.

As for human studies, the original 1930s clinical trials did not show any catabolic effect what so ever. They are referenced in multiple papers, for example:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12119996
"In contrast to the use of thyroid extract (also in common use at the time to treat obesity), DNP did not promote urinary nitrogen excretion, so the assumption was made that weight loss could be attributed to a specific loss of fat (47)."

METABOLIC ACTIONS OF DINITROPHENOL
"Dinitrophenol, used in doses of therapeutic range, caused increases in metabolism of the usual magnitude irrespective of the type of diet. The nitrogen excretion was never greater than the intake, even when the subjects lost as much as 5 pounds in body weight during one week. From this it seemed probable that there was no actual tissue breakdown during these short periods of heightened metabolism, but that the loss of weight was due to the utilization of stored carbohydrate or fat. This does not mean, of course, that tissue breakdown would not occur if the drug should be given over longer periods, but probably when materials other than protein are available these are utilized first. Thus the assumption might be made that, as long as the protein intake is adequate, any reduction in body weight is not primarily at the expense of the tissue proteins.
...
3.The subjects excreted less nitrogen than they ingested, yet there were definite losses of body weight. Therefore, body proteins probably were not broken down. The output of urinary organic acid was not increased, thus indicating that the fats were completely burned without giving rise to acidosis."

So yes, believe what you want but the evidence completely contradicts the statement that DNP is catabolic in any way, shape or form.

 

[Eman]

certainly not stuff I expect laymen to understand

I can read just fine, thanks.

So yes, believe what you want but the evidence completely contradicts the statement that DNP is catabolic in any way, shape or form.

I don't have beliefs either way... and no interest in DNP for personal use either. I'm interested in learning about it though however, the evidence is always lacking imo.

 

[RodgerThat]

 

[Docd187123]

I can read just fine, thanks.



I don't have beliefs either way... and no interest in DNP for personal use either. I'm interested in learning about it though however, the evidence is always lacking imo.

RippedZilla beat me to it. I was going to post those studies as well.

 

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RippedZilla beat me to it. I was going to post those studies as well.

Benn trying to read the full text of the one he posted. Wiley seems unresponsive from the work network though.

 

[ickyrica]

Never asked for advice. This is a day by day log. Also simple math shows you must lose weight if you are 6'3 200lbs 20% to get to 6'3 275 lbs 20%. So your point is moot

Fair enough on the advice not being asked for.

As for percentages, I am simply saying that someone at such a young age should be concerned with building real muscle, not diminishing your potential. 6'3" and 200# is far from needing DNP. if I were you, I would be looking to get much bigger and stronger as opposed to skinny and weak. I would kill for another three inches in height.

Start yourself off in the correct direction and put in some real effort. that's the big take away for you. If your hell bent on using DNP, by all means man, go for it.

I know 4 weeks working out with me and you'd have that look you so desire. No DNP needed.

 

[MrRippedZilla]

I can read just fine, thanks.

I didn't mean to offend
The original studies I linked talk a lot about what's going on at the molecular, metabolic signal level and it can get confusing unless you have a solid understanding of the "big picture".
I've seen many people dig into such studies without a grasp of the fundamentals and be drawn to conclusions that are way off base. Hence, my comment.

I don't have beliefs either way... and no interest in DNP for personal use either. I'm interested in learning about it though however, the evidence is always lacking imo.

More evidence is always needed, yes.

But some evidence, especially clinical trials on humans, is better than no evidence at all - that is the case for the "DNP is catabolic" group. Nothing apart from nonsensical forum bro talk to support that particular opinion.

 

[cali96]

Fair enough on the advice not being asked for.

As for percentages, I am simply saying that someone at such a young age should be concerned with building real muscle, not diminishing your potential. 6'3" and 200# is far from needing DNP. if I were you, I would be looking to get much bigger and stronger as opposed to skinny and weak. I would kill for another three inches in height.

Start yourself off in the correct direction and put in some real effort. that's the big take away for you. If your hell bent on using DNP, by all means man, go for it.

I know 4 weeks working out with me and you'd have that look you so desire. No DNP needed.

This is an answer I can actually appreciate as their is no hostility or pure stupidity, unlike these other assclowns on here. So thank you for your tips

For Doc, RippedZilla, or anyone else interested I will also do a log on UG. It starts next wednesday and I will try to post at the end of each night (if I forget then the induced insomnia from the dnp will give me another chance to post in the middle of the night haha)

 

[ickyrica]

Be careful dude. Good luck.

Not my cup of tea but good luck.

 

[Gronk87]

I suggest you read my thread on DNP

I developed peripheral neuropathy after only a very short time on the bare minimum 250mg dose. It was extremely painful. The hives were also severe and extremely painful. At least decrease your chances of the hives by front loading benadryl. Good luck I genuinely hope you don't end up like me.

 

[Eman]

I suggest you read my thread on DNP

I developed peripheral neuropathy after only a very short time on the bare minimum 250mg dose. It was extremely painful. The hives were also severe and extremely painful. At least decrease your chances of the hives by front loading benadryl. Good luck I genuinely hope you don't end up like me.

My DNP fucking nightmare... Please read and be warned.

I remember reading your thread. It was a side effect I hadnt even heard of occurring with DNP. Then the girl several posts down said the same thing had happened to her on DNP...

I'm very curious to know total yearly hospitalizations resulting from DNP use. I have had difficulty coming up with a legitimate number on that. I've come across figures on deaths from it from various forms of contact but never hospital visits.

@Dr JIM do you know where to come up with a statistic like that?

 

[Dr JIM]

The FDA and perhaps even the EPA for DNP, toxicology reports, however they are certainly not all inclusive meaning, DNP related morbidity such as hospital admissions or ED visits, are largely ignored and often NOT REPORTED. The exception is "grouping" in which several DNP cases occur simultaneously or over a period of time.

DNP mortality IS reported bc almost any toxin related death will become a Medical Examiner case, at least until the cause of death can be ESTABLISHED and foul play ruled out

 

[Eman]

The FDA and perhaps even the EPA for DNP, toxicology reports, however they are certainly not all inclusive meaning, the DNP morbidity is largely ignored and NOT REPORTED.

DNP mortality IS reported bc almost any toxin related death will become a Medical Examiner case, at least until the cause of death can be ESTABLISHED and foul play ruled out

Yeah FDA had interesting articles about DNP but haven't come across one regarding hospitalizations. CDC had interesting articles too about it.

 

[cali96]

I suggest you read my thread on DNP

I developed peripheral neuropathy after only a very short time on the bare minimum 250mg dose. It was extremely painful. The hives were also severe and extremely painful. At least decrease your chances of the hives by front loading benadryl. Good luck I genuinely hope you don't end up like me.

Thats terrible. Hopefully you didnt have any lasting damage

 

[Dr JIM]

I suggest you read my thread on DNP

I developed peripheral neuropathy after only a very short time on the bare minimum 250mg dose. It was extremely painful. The hives were also severe and extremely painful. At least decrease your chances of the hives by front loading benadryl. Good luck I genuinely hope you don't end up like me.

While complications of this nature are likely the exception rather than the rule for DNP, there are innumerable reports of other less than desirable or expected adverse effects from DNP that would make anyone query why in Gods green earth would anyone use this substance.

The risk of complications is high, no very high and the benefits low and like any other quick fix weight loss "therapy" invariably TEMPORARY!

 

[MrRippedZilla]

I suggest you read my thread on DNP

I developed peripheral neuropathy after only a very short time on the bare minimum 250mg dose. It was extremely painful. The hives were also severe and extremely painful. At least decrease your chances of the hives by front loading benadryl. Good luck I genuinely hope you don't end up like me.

I read your thread with great interest since I am documenting case reports of PN.

Where you medically diagnosed with PN? Did you have any numbness or pins & needle type feelings alongside the pain in your wrists/feet?
I ask because nerve regeneration, what the recovery process involves, takes a LONG time and considering your rapid recovery I doubt you actually had PN - you did the right thing anyway by stopping the cycle just in case.

You did suffer an allergic reaction to the DNP and this is on rare occasion accompanied by joint pain (aka arthritis). Both of these side effects dissipate fairly rapidly once the cycle is stopped and it does seem to be a more fitting description of your situation (unless I'm missing any extra details?).

PN is one of the more serious risks that people do need to be aware of - it is not a joke, it is painful and it takes months/years to recover from.
There are no proactive measures that can be taken to safeguard against it and it is NOT the same as diabetic PN (different MOA, less severe in nature).
It does not seem to have a dose, or time, dependent relationship with regards to when it will pop up.

The overall MOA involved is up for debate. I do find it interesting that both the reports of PN and allergic reactions in general are much higher now than in the 30s.
Then when we consider that the researchers were cautioning people about the difficulty of procuring DNP at a high enough purity...well...I suspect that may have something to do with all of this. Just a guess mind you.

I'll add that if a user suffers from an allergic reaction then an antihistamine, front loaded or not, isn't going to help much. I know many users who went antihistamine crazy and yet the allergic reaction got stronger & stronger.
The only thing to do is simply STOP the cycle completely and THEN begin treatment.