First Steroid Cycle - Advice

[Zeus97]

I'm a 19-year-old (20 in August) university student (training since 14-years-old), and I feel truly ready to take the plunge in to the world of AAS.

My first cycle would not only be something of an experiment, to test my body's responses and tolerances, but it would also give me permanent benefits, due to the increased number of myonuclei even post-cycle.

I understand anabolics are a lifetime commitment, but it's a lifestyle I want to explore, and possibly make money from; in conjunction with other ambitions.

I will not be starting a cycle until I am, at most, 15% bodyfat, and so am currently dieting down after a 4/5 year bulking process.

My stats are as follows:

Height: 6ft 7in
Weight: 285lbs
Lifts: Bench: 315lbs, Deadlift: 620lbs, and I don't squat due to it being far from ideal for my height.

Planned Cycle:
12 weeks

Test E or C, 500mg EW (2 injections per week for stable bloods), most likely from a fairly reputable UGL as truly legitimate Pharma grade stuff is in short supply.

hCG, 1000IU EW, weeks 4-12 to try and avoid desensitization (and atrophy.)

Armidex on hand, although should it be taken only in the case of sides cropping up, or should it be taken regardless?

Liv.52 as well.

PCT 2 weeks after last shot:

100mg clomid for 21 days

20mg nolva for 30 days

The aim is to see exactly where I can take my physique, because if I can take it to a good level, I would be very keen to compete eventually.

Thoughts? (other than lectures about the endocrine system)

 

[Roger rabbit]

Not sure I would have put my face in any of the photos as face recognition technology is getting very good......

You are talking about illegal steroids .... you gotta learn to stay a little more anonymous my man

 

[Leancuisine]

Take all those photos down and replace them with pics of that hottie in the first pic. You only needed 1 pic, because really the only thing I didn't believe you on was your height. But now we've established that, and you can't tease us with this black and white garage party photo of little miss ebony creeping in...
plus you should not post your face. But mainly you should show more pics of the lady friend.

 

[Leancuisine]

And as far as competing goes..... idk weights, but I'm assuming you would have to get close to 400lbs.
Also that's assuming you would go bodybuilding, since you said you want to see how far you can take your physique.

So how far have you taken things now?
Before you start even messing with drugs to see how they react to your body, you should see what food does for you.
What carbs work best for you? Which protein source? How many meals do you feel best on? if you're doing it for physique purposes, then what's the lowest you've had your body fat at? How long did you maintain it?
Not trying to busy your balls, just trying to see what else you've tried out.

 

[Zeus97]

I'm from the UK. They're 100% legal for personal possession and use, luckily!

 

[Zeus97]

Lowest I've had my bodyfat is 10-12% (see pic). I maintained that physique for about 6 months, and then started trying to pack on mass. Carb sources I go for are mainly oats and sweet potato. Protein sources, red meat, eggs, chicken and turkey. I can function appositely on 3000+ calories, anything below that and a little bit of lethargy starts to creep in. I consume around 4 proper meals, with a bunch of shakes and snacks throughout the day.

 

[Erin]

I'm a 19-year-old (20 in August) university student (training since 14-years-old), and I feel truly ready to take the plunge in to the world of AAS.

My first cycle would not only be something of an experiment, to test my body's responses and tolerances, but it would also give me permanent benefits, due to the increased number of myonuclei even post-cycle.

I understand anabolics are a lifetime commitment, but it's a lifestyle I want to explore, and possibly make money from; in conjunction with other ambitions.

I will not be starting a cycle until I am, at most, 15% bodyfat, and so am currently dieting down after a 4/5 year bulking process.

My stats are as follows:

Height: 6ft 7in
Weight: 285lbs
Lifts: Bench: 315lbs, Deadlift: 620lbs, and I don't squat due to it being far from ideal for my height.

Planned Cycle:
12 weeks

Test E or C, 500mg EW (2 injections per week for stable bloods), most likely from a fairly reputable UGL as truly legitimate Pharma grade stuff is in short supply.

hCG, 1000IU EW, weeks 4-12 to try and avoid desensitization (and atrophy.)

Armidex on hand, although should it be taken only in the case of sides cropping up, or should it be taken regardless?

Liv.52 as well.

PCT 2 weeks after last shot:

100mg clomid for 21 days

20mg nolva for 30 days

The aim is to see exactly where I can take my physique, because if I can take it to a good level, I would be very keen to compete eventually.

Thoughts? (other than lectures about the endocrine system)

Most will say too young.
-Don't neglect squats
-I suggest 8 weeks for a first cycle, although it is admittedly less efficient
-Get pharma or grey-market pharma (Balkan, maybe Alpha Pharma) if possible, to reduce variables and establish baseline expectations
-I recommend an AI if cycling (not TRT). I prefer Aromasin 6.25mg/d
-Liv.52 unproven. Take fish oil if you feel the need to take something
-PCT 2 weeks after last injection is too short. On TestE, I PCT on day 26.
-I don't see a compelling benefit to taking both SERMs. 20mg Nolva for 30 days should be sufficient for a short Test cycle

 

[Roger rabbit]

Most will say too young.
-Don't neglect squats
-I suggest 8 weeks for a first cycle, although it is admittedly less efficient
-Get pharma or grey-market pharma (Balkan, maybe Alpha Pharma) if possible, to reduce variables and establish baseline expectations
-I recommend an AI if cycling (not TRT). I prefer Aromasin 6.25mg/d
-Liv.52 unproven. Take fish oil if you feel the need to take something
-PCT 2 weeks after last injection is too short. On TestE, I PCT on day 26.
-I don't see a compelling benefit to taking both SERMs. 20mg Nolva for 30 days should be sufficient for a short Test cycle

So you recommend 43mg of aromisin per week? What is this based on? You continuously tell and recommend AI, without knowing any history of bloods and how the testosterone will affect THEIR personal body.

DO NOT LISTEN TO THE ADVICE OF TAKING AI JUST BECAUSE . This is reckless. No need to take something if one does not need it. Adding in extra compounds into a body when it's not needed is harmful. ALL AI causes issues with lipids. Aromisin is the least harmful, but if not needed do not take it. This recommendation would CRASH my e2 levels fast, even at 900mg test per week.

This first cycle if he chooses to run, should be ran without AI for a few weeks, then blood should be drawn to see how his body is aromitizing the drug. Then IF needed the user should apply the lowest dose possible and get blood drawn a few weeks later until this is dialed in.

 

[Erin]

So you recommend 43mg of aromisin per week? What is this based on? You continuously tell and recommend AI, without knowing any history of bloods and how the testosterone will affect THEIR personal body.

DO NOT LISTEN TO THE ADVICE OF TAKING AI JUST BECAUSE . This is reckless. No need to take something if one does not need it. Adding in extra compounds into a body when it's not needed is harmful. ALL AI causes issues with lipids. Aromisin is the least harmful, but if not needed do not take it. This recommendation would CRASH my e2 levels fast, even at 900mg test per week.

This first cycle if he chooses to run, should be ran without AI for a few weeks, then blood should be drawn to see how his body is aromitizing the drug. Then IF needed the user should apply the lowest dose possible and get blood drawn a few weeks later until this is dialed in.

Agree to get blood tests.
However, 1/4(6.25mg)/d or 1/2(12.5mg) EOD is the current predominant starting dose that I've read. I've backed this up with my own experience at 583mg/w and TT at 2512 = estradiol 33.
Aromasin at 25 and 50mg/d did not significantly change lipid concentrations.
Further, for a user cycling, estrogen is heavily suppressive when coming off cycle and will inhibit HPG recovery.

I always advocate less drugs and lower dosing. However, in this case, starting at the lowest dose, with blood tests, is justified in light of the small risk of over-sensitivity. Aromasin is eliminated within 24 hours and estrogen recovers to basal levels within 3-6 days.

 

[Geterdun]

Agree to get blood tests.
However, 1/4(6.25mg)/d or 1/2(12.5mg) EOD is the current predominant starting dose that I've read. I've backed this up with my own experience at 583mg/w and TT at 2512 = estradiol 33.
Aromasin at 25 and 50mg/d did not significantly change lipid concentrations.
Further, for a user cycling, estrogen is heavily suppressive when coming off cycle and will inhibit HPG recovery.

I always advocate less drugs and lower dosing. However, in this case, starting at the lowest dose, with blood tests, is justified in light of the small risk of over-sensitivity. Aromasin is eliminated within 24 hours and estrogen recovers to basal levels within 3-6 days.

Your not getting it. Don't put another compound in your body if it's not needed. You will not know if it's needed unless 1. Sides pop up (no pun intended), or 2. You get blood work that shows you need it. To just take an AI for the sake of taking is exactly as @Roger rabbit stated, reckless!

Do you take Motrine everyday of your life just in case you get a pain, or head ache? No, you wait for that to happen. Keep the AI on hand and take as needed.

 

[Erin]

Your not getting it. Don't put another compound in your body if it's not needed.

Funny, I say the same thing about all the bathtub gear guys shoot up at doses that have never been tested clinically for safety, let alone efficacy - if it's even a compound that's been approved for use in humans (looking at you, tren). Pharma aromasin at 1/10 a safe dose is the least of your worries.

Further, 'feeling sides' is more bro-science:
1) AAS react with aromatase to synthesize estrogen.
2) Left unchecked, estrogen rises out of range to hyperestrogenism
3) ASIH, gynecomastia, feminization, impotence, and loss of libido are signs of hyperesstrogenism. If you 'notice' them, you already have the condition.
*Also, all-cause mortality increases past 30.11 pg/mL for males.


And your Motrin analogy doesn't fit because (in your analogy) you're not practicing something that you know results in a pain or headache. If you were, it'd be pretty smart to stop that practice before it causes those signs.

A better analogy:
You wouldn't drink a bottle of alcohol the night before a test and wish you'd be okay in the morning, knowing better. Of course not. You wouldn't drink, or at least you'd mitigate harm by re-hydrating and replacing lost electrolytes.

 

[Geterdun]

Funny, I say the same thing about all the bathtub gear guys shoot up at doses that have never been tested clinically for safety, let alone efficacy - if it's even a compound that's been approved for use in humans (looking at you, tren). Pharma aromasin at 1/10 a safe dose is the least of your worries.

Further, 'feeling sides' is more bro-science:
1) AAS react with aromatase to synthesize estrogen.
2) Left unchecked, estrogen rises out of range to hyperestrogenism
3) ASIH, gynecomastia, feminization, impotence, and loss of libido are signs of hyperesstrogenism. If you 'notice' them, you already have the condition.
*Also, all-cause mortality increases past 30.11 pg/mL for males.


And your Motrin analogy doesn't fit because (in your analogy) you're not practicing something that you know results in a pain or headache. If you were, it'd be pretty smart to stop that practice before it causes those signs.

A better analogy:
You wouldn't drink a bottle of alcohol the night before a test and wish you'd be okay in the morning, knowing better. Of course not. You wouldn't drink, or at least you'd mitigate harm by re-hydrating and replacing lost electrolytes.

Look, he already decided to cycle, his question was with an AI. I'm sure one of the Docs we have here in MESO has already stated this. Not to call him out, or do your leg work and spoon feed you, try finding the thread that talks about this.

OP, I would not use the AI unless sides start to come on, or your blood work shows you need it. Especially don't take as much as stated. If you need it, come back with blood results and ask for help. You will know who to believe and not believe. It's ultimately your call. If sides start to show, it's not to late at that moment. You might take it now and still get sides. Goid luck and keep us posted.

 

[SuperMaroid]

First take down your pics and remove your face unless steroids are legal where your from. Not a smart idea.

You should cycle when your older but I'd rather give you advice to do it the right way if you already made up your mind

For a first cycle:

14 weeks Test E or Test Cyp 500mg a week
hcg 500iu twice a week
aromasin on hand 6.25-12.5 ed if needed
pct 2-3 weeks after last shot nolva and clomid

Syringe size:

25g, 1 inch, 3cc

Dont stack anything. No need for dbol, deca or tren. For a first cycle test only. See how your body reacts to test. You will get great gains. No need to add more drugs if you dont have to.

And just because your really tall doesnt mean you should skip squats. Thats not an excuse. Do them light if you have to.

 

[Zeus97]

I'm from the UK so personal use and possession is legal here.

 

[Roger rabbit]

I'm from the UK so personal use and possession is legal here.

Lucky bastard [emoji35]