First Tren Ace Cycle, please critique

[Ravtech]

I recently began my first cycle with tren, I've used 2 short cycles sust, dbol, and eq in the past and seemed to have a pretty decent tolerance for those compounds. I am potentially prone to gyno, I've never had solid masses, but prone to storing excess fat on my chest before storing it on my stomach which my doctor can't say whether it is gyno or not, so I'm planning on running an AI the whole cycle, and have extra nolva on hand in case Adex isn't enough.

My Stats:
27, 6'4", 235lbs (naturally gained, last AAS was over 5 years ago and afterwards dropped back to starting weight), 16%bf.

Will be eating 200-250g of protein a day with a target of 3800 cals, diet consisting mostly of chicken, white fish, quinoa, brown rice, other complex carbs, protein shakes, and veggies with some nuts/avocado/etc added in for healthy fats. I have Multi vitamins, CLA, Fish Oil, MCT Oil, Carnatine, Creatine, and other supps on hand that are already part of my diet. I have about 6 years of consistent weight training and powerlifting experience, but due to my lower back giving me issues powerlifting is no longer an option so now I just want to build a solid physique after hitting a long term weight and strength plateau. Goal is primarily recomp and maybe lean bulk if my body permits.

As of now, here is my cycle, I'm currently on week 3:

Weeks 1-12: Test Cyp @ 500mg/week
Weeks 3-10: Tren Ace @ 50mg eod (will adjust up if my tolerance permits)
Weeks 3-10: T3 @ 50mcg ed
Weeks 1-12: Arimidex .5mg eod

18 Days after last test c pin:
Weeks 1-4: Clomid 100/50/50/25
Weeks 1-4: Nolva 40/30/20/10

I'm open to critiques, I'm trying to keep this a relatively simple cycle with as few sides as possible considering how potent tren is. I've researched many boards and resources for months before coming to this cycle, but considering I have no firsthand experience with tren I appreciate input. Also, am currently looking for some HCG to potentially add in, although I'm not sure where in the cycle that best fits.

 

[kilsong]

So your 3 weeks in with the Tren.
How is it SO FAR?
How long until you noticed anything?

 

[Ravtech]

First 2 weeks were test c only, although it was from a UGL (not sure what the name dropping rules are on this particular sub forum) that ended up being sketch so there's questionable potency and I'm not 100% sure what the exact dose really was. There was definitely something in there, just not sure exactly what/how much mg/ml was actually in there. I'm now using gear from a source that seems to be consistently rated as g2g on these boards for the rest of the cycle. I noticed a bit of weight gain (up about 7lbs), slight fat loss, and overall have felt pretty good. Can't say much for a libido jump since I'm horny as hell 24/7 anyways. First tren pin was today, so far no sides but I'll update as things progress.

 

[kilsong]

Yeah...PLEASE keep this log up.
So many people start them and update daily---then stop.
It realllllllly sucks.
They make for such interesting reads.

Thanks for posting---and GOOD LUCK!

 

[MR10X]

If your getting some different test get the prop version and shoot it EOD mixed with the tren. I have run a few cycles with Tren A and 50mg Ed was my limit. Also added a little Eq and had good results with that...

 

[Ravtech]

yeah thinking back I would have switched to test prop since I'm going to be pinning EOD anyways, but back when I first planned my cycle I was basing it off of long esters and orals so I wouldn't have to pin more than twice a week and I forgot to change the type of test when I submitted my order to my new source. Now that the test cyp has built in my system (and my new g2g cyp is already here) is it worth changing to prop for the whole cycle and using the cyp some other time? Or maybe order a small batch of prop for the last 3 weeks so I can switch to that and start pct sooner?

 

[Ravtech]

Also, only side I've noticed so far is that my leg feels kind of odd after pinning. Not painful or uncomfortable, just kind of tingly and slightly cramped like I'd been leg kicked really hard in a sparring match a few hours ago.

 

[skywalk]

As of now, here is my cycle, I'm currently on week 3:

Weeks 1-12: Test Cyp @ 500mg/week
Weeks 3-10: Tren Ace @ 50mg eod (will adjust up if my tolerance permits)
Weeks 3-10: T3 @ 50mcg ed
Weeks 1-12: Arimidex .5mg eod

18 Days after last test c pin:
Weeks 1-4: Clomid 100/50/50/25
Weeks 1-4: Nolva 40/30/20/10

I'm open to critiques, I'm trying to keep this a relatively simple cycle with as few sides as possible considering how potent tren is. I've researched many boards and resources for months before coming to this cycle, but considering I have no firsthand experience with tren I appreciate input. Also, am currently looking for some HCG to potentially add in, although I'm not sure where in the cycle that best fits.

I would like to tweak your PCT a little. Tapering like you're doing doesn't really do much imo. i'd do:
clomid: 100/50/50/50
nolva 60/40/40/40
also, i'd start the PCT 21days after last pin, and not 18 days.

this is what I do, and it restores me very nicely, because I always do before and after bloodwork.

if you're prone to gyno I wouldnt touch dbol. I get gyno whenever I take dbol, and even if im on femara at 2.5mg EOD. ONLY femara 2.5mg ED prevents gyno from dbol for me.

lastly, why take T3? test and tren would be fine imo. and during PCT/after your last shot, why not add albuterol instead?

 

[Ravtech]

I've read in a few discussion threads (which cited clinical studies) that tren can negatively effect either the production or the uptake (can't remember which) of natural T3. So, it's there as safeguard against falling below natural levels, not an enhancement. Although if that's incorrect I'll skip using it.

 

[skywalk]

I've read in a few discussion threads (which cited clinical studies) that tren can negatively effect either the production or the uptake (can't remember which) of natural T3. So, it's there as safeguard against falling below natural levels, not an enhancement. Although if that's incorrect I'll skip using it.

in my opinion, if you're really worried about your T3 levels, do some bloodwork and check your thyroid in the middle of your cycle, and compare it to what it was before your cycle. check if you really really need that T3 before you take it.

 

[Ravtech]

Quick update. 3am right now and I woke up due to a pretty painful left quad. Very mild swelling, but no redness. Muscle is very sore. First time doing 1.5ml, may have pinned a little too quickly

 

[DieYoungStrong]

Rav that's a nice cycle, although I agree with skywalk on all his points. My first run of tren was the same - Test E or Sust (Don't remember) at 500 mg/week and 50 mg Tren A EOD. No arimidex or T3. You have a higher BF so I'd keep the dex, but you really shouldn't be messing with your thyroid unless you need to IMO.

Keep us posted.

 

[youngBuilder]

So 50mg of Tren A, EOD, is not too low a dose to see results? I was considering trying Tren for the first time at that dose but I always see recommendations for it at 50mgs ED...

 

[DieYoungStrong]

YB you can do what you want. Most guys run it at higher doses these days. I haven't touched tren in years, but when fina conversion kits were all the rage, 50ml EOD for a first time cycle was pretty standard.

I know I saw great results with it as part of a stack.

 

[Ravtech]

Considering how powerful tren is (both in benefits and potential sides) I didn't want to start with a high dose off the bat. The only side I experienced so far that I can directly attribute to the tren (this is 12 hours after first pin) is pretty bad insomnia. I laid down at 9:30pm, fell asleep around 10:15pm, and woke up at 3:00am and laid there for 2 hours before giving up on falling asleep. Now I'm at work at 8:30am and I'm tired as hell. I may try to take an afternoon nap and see if I can get my 7-8 hours of sleep but split over 2 sessions.

 

[MR10X]

So 50mg of Tren A, EOD, is not too low a dose to see results? I was considering trying Tren for the first time at that dose but I always see recommendations for it at 50mgs ED...

Tren is really really strong,it seems that up to a certain dose you get really good results and after that you get really bad side effects. The 2 worse side effects i got were night sweats and bad cardio,i felt like i was going to pass out after doing squats and leg presses......You will be surprised at the results you will get with 50mg EOD....

 

[Ravtech]

Quick update, I created a thread in the cycle log subforum (titled "First Tren/Test C Cyle Log") so it doesn't keep bumping this thread every time I update it. If you're interested in seeing my updates you'll find it in there. I'm planning on updating 2-3 times a week, or any time I notice a significant improvement, side effect, or modify my plan. Per more experienced users' advice I have dropped T3 and changed my PCT to a non-tapered schedule.